Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

tbiggertycome

robwen wrote: »

The 44 man panel Kilkenny have been working off this year from the Kilkenny People..

Yep no real surprises there, those are all the lads that have been mentioned on here throughout the year.

One thing I do want to know is why the decision was taken to only bring the 26 on match days this year?
Is it because the panel is so large? Up to this year there would have been the other panel members in tracksuits in the stand behind the subs.
Has there been an edict from Croke Park?
Is the County board not willing to cough up the extra dough to bring these lads along for a day when their not going to take any part?
Do the lads themselves not want to be part of the day if their not going to be involved at all?
If we're get to an AI final will it be just the 26 that are picked for that day that will get to travel up on the bus?


It's not a big thing but it's just something I've been wondering about for the last little while.

Grats

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Yep no real surprises there, those are all the lads that have been mentioned on here throughout the year.

One thing I do want to know is why the decision was taken to only bring the 26 on match days this year?
Is it because the panel is so large? Up to this year there would have been the other panel members in tracksuits in the stand behind the subs.
Has there been an edict from Croke Park?
Is the County board not willing to cough up the extra dough to bring these lads along for a day when their not going to take any part?
Do the lads themselves not want to be part of the day if their not going to be involved at all?
If we're get to an AI final will it be just the 26 that are picked for that day that will get to travel up on the bus?


It's not a big thing but it's just something I've been wondering about for the last little while.

I had been wondering myself why Wexford and Cork had more than the 26 on match day and we didn't. When I read the program for the Leinster Final and saw so many on our extended panel I assumed a line had to be drawn somewhere. Who would you leave out on match day? It would appear its a new approach and perhaps a sure indication that Cody has a longer term plan and he'll be sticking around next year with a ready made panel.

Pogue eile

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Yep no real surprises there, those are all the lads that have been mentioned on here throughout the year.

One thing I do want to know is why the decision was taken to only bring the 26 on match days this year?
Is it because the panel is so large? Up to this year there would have been the other panel members in tracksuits in the stand behind the subs.
Has there been an edict from Croke Park?
Is the County board not willing to cough up the extra dough to bring these lads along for a day when their not going to take any part?
Do the lads themselves not want to be part of the day if their not going to be involved at all?
If we're get to an AI final will it be just the 26 that are picked for that day that will get to travel up on the bus?


It's not a big thing but it's just something I've been wondering about for the last little while.

Croke park have changed the rules re. match day panels, traditionally you named your match day panel and if someone picked up an injury the day before or that morning or even in the warm up, they could be replaced. This year however once the 26 is named thats it, if someone cries off they cant be replaced - happened Tipp v Limerick in the Munster Final when Cathal Barrett failed the fitness test, they only had 25 on the match day panel.

tbiggertycome

Pogue eile wrote: »

Croke park have changed the rules re. match day panels, traditionally you named your match day panel and if someone picked up an injury the day before or that morning or even in the warm up, they could be replaced. This year however once the 26 is named thats it, if someone cries off they cant be replaced - happened Tipp v Limerick in the Munster Final when Cathal Barrett failed the fitness test, they only had 25 on the match day panel.

I understand that but these lads are training away all year and then to not be even on the bus is a bit rough I think. Traditionally (as far as I'm aware) we would have brought a little over 30 to matches even if the lads over the 26 weren't going to play. Those panels would have lads on what you'd call the extended training panel who would be at most sessions but rarely if ever involved in the match day panels (this year) They would play the subs in training matches if lads go down injured etc. Is it because we can't fit them all on one bus? By my reckoning there are 4 management, about 4 medical staff (doc and Physio's) Nutritionist and 2 stats ladies, making 11 backroom and then 44 players is 55 and the biggest buses take 52 as far as I'm aware. But why doesn't he leave the 8 or 9 lads furthest from a chance of playing make their own way and bring the rest. I don't know why the change. As I said it's not a big thing I'm just curious.

JohnCougar

Pogue eile wrote: »

Croke park have changed the rules re. match day panels, traditionally you named your match day panel and if someone picked up an injury the day before or that morning or even in the warm up, they could be replaced. This year however once the 26 is named thats it, if someone cries off they cant be replaced - happened Tipp v Limerick in the Munster Final when Cathal Barrett failed the fitness test, they only had 25 on the match day panel.

Registration/Lists for Inter-County Senior Championship
Games

Special Provisions for Registration of Teams and supply
of Team List to Referee for all Inter-County Senior
Championship Games

Notwithstanding the provisions of any other Rules, the
following requirements shall specifically apply to all InterCounty Senior Championship Games:

(a) For all Senior Inter-County Championship Games, the
Team line-out (Fifteen Players and maximum Eleven
Panel Members - total twenty six) shall be registered
with the Committee-in-Charge not later than 9 am on
the Thursday before a week-end game.

Penalty: Withdrawal of Sideline Privileges from Bainisteoir
for one game and/or maximum €1,000 fine on the County
Committee, depending on the circumstances.

(b) No Players may be added to the registered Team or
Panel after it has been submitted to the Committee-inCharge.
Exception - A Goalkeeper or Sub-Goalkeeper may be
replaced by another Goalkeeper and such replacement
shall only be allowed to play as a Goalkeeper.

Penalty for playing, or including on the Team list submitted
to the Referee, a player who has not been registered with
the Committee-in-Charge: Forfeiture of Game.

(c) A prescribed Team List (as issued by the Committee-inCharge from time to time), confirming the 15 starting
players and maximum 11 additional panel members,
shall be submitted to the Referee not later than forty
minutes before the official starting times of the Game
and shall only contain the names of Registered Players
specified in paragraphs (a) or (b), together with the
Team Officials.

Penalty: Fine on the County Committee - up to a maximum
of €1,000 for each minute over the prescribed time.

JohnCougar

JohnCougar wrote: »

Registration/Lists for Inter-County Senior Championship
Games

Special Provisions for Registration of Teams and supply
of Team List to Referee for all Inter-County Senior
Championship Games

Notwithstanding the provisions of any other Rules, the
following requirements shall specifically apply to all InterCounty Senior Championship Games:

(a) For all Senior Inter-County Championship Games, the
Team line-out (Fifteen Players and maximum Eleven
Panel Members - total twenty six) shall be registered
with the Committee-in-Charge not later than 9 am on
the Thursday before a week-end game.

Penalty: Withdrawal of Sideline Privileges from Bainisteoir
for one game and/or maximum €1,000 fine on the County
Committee, depending on the circumstances.

(b) No Players may be added to the registered Team or
Panel after it has been submitted to the Committee-inCharge.
Exception - A Goalkeeper or Sub-Goalkeeper may be
replaced by another Goalkeeper and such replacement
shall only be allowed to play as a Goalkeeper.

Penalty for playing, or including on the Team list submitted
to the Referee, a player who has not been registered with
the Committee-in-Charge: Forfeiture of Game.

(c) A prescribed Team List (as issued by the Committee-inCharge from time to time), confirming the 15 starting
players and maximum 11 additional panel members,
shall be submitted to the Referee not later than forty
minutes before the official starting times of the Game
and shall only contain the names of Registered Players
specified in paragraphs (a) or (b), together with the
Team Officials.

Penalty: Fine on the County Committee - up to a maximum
of €1,000 for each minute over the prescribed time.

Team Party/Selections


(a) A County team party shall consist of not more than
twenty four players and five officials of the County
Committee.
Exception:
A Senior Inter-County Team Party may have up to, but
not more than twenty six players.


(b) In All-Ireland Semi-Finals and Finals the placing of
teams must be given to the Director General at least
six days prior to the game.
Penalty for (b): Fine €500.

JohnCougar

JohnCougar wrote: »

Team Party/Selections


(a) A County team party shall consist of not more than
twenty four players and five officials of the County
Committee.
Exception:
A Senior Inter-County Team Party may have up to, but
not more than twenty six players.


(b) In All-Ireland Semi-Finals and Finals the placing of
teams must be given to the Director General at least
six days prior to the game.
Penalty for (b): Fine €500.

1.4 ENTRY TO FIELD OF PLAY/Incursions

One Team Official (Maor Foirne, who is
an assistant to the Bainisteoir), may move
alongside the sidelines and enter the field of
play, as specified hereunder, to make changes
and/or to give instructions to players.

The Maor Foirne shall enter the field of play
through the Substitution Zone and only when
the ball has gone out of play following a score
or a ‘wide’ or during a stoppage in play which
is called by the Referee for medical attention to
an injured player.

This named official shall wear a yellow or
tangerine coloured bib/distinctive top which
shall have “MAOR FOIRNE” in clear large
letters. The Committee-in-Charge shall
determine and notify the colour to be used by
each Maor Foirne.

The Maor Foirne may not act as a water carrier
or hurley carrier. A Selector is permitted to act
as Maor Foirne. The Maor Foirne shall not be a
listed member of the Team Panel

JohnCougar

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I understand that but these lads are training away all year and then to not be even on the bus is a bit rough I think. Traditionally (as far as I'm aware) we would have brought a little over 30 to matches even if the lads over the 26 weren't going to play. Those panels would have lads on what you'd call the extended training panel who would be at most sessions but rarely if ever involved in the match day panels (this year) They would play the subs in training matches if lads go down injured etc. Is it because we can't fit them all on one bus? By my reckoning there are 4 management, about 4 medical staff (doc and Physio's) Nutritionist and 2 stats ladies, making 11 backroom and then 44 players is 55 and the biggest buses take 52 as far as I'm aware. But why doesn't he leave the 8 or 9 lads furthest from a chance of playing make their own way and bring the rest. I don't know why the change. As I said it's not a big thing I'm just curious.

I am not sure why the extended panel are not brought to games but I would think its a County Board decision. The players are told on a Thursday by text who is in the 26 for Sunday and those 26 turn up for training/meeting on Friday night when the team is named.

Maybe to make room for John Delaney and the girlfriend. We have not won an Ireland since 2015 when he was on the bus after the match :):):):)

kilkennyboy

As far as I know they are looked after with tickets. But make their own way and do their own thing on match days.
I certainly wouldn't want 20 extra lads on the team bus on match days
Just going up for the spin.
That is a sacred time for players in their prep for games.

tbiggertycome

kilkennyboy wrote: »

As far as I know they are looked after with tickets. But make their own way and do their own thing on match days.
I certainly wouldn't want 20 extra lads on the team bus on match days
Just going up for the spin.
That is a sacred time for players in their prep for games.

I know for a fact their looked after for tickets, as you'd expect. We went through years when we brought 30 odd lads to games and I don't think any of them objected, either those starting or those not going to get a game at all.

I just think you have lads in their working just as hard giving up as much of their time and then just to be told to make their own way up to the game is a bit much. If it was me I don't know If I'd bother going it feels like a real snub. I know Ballyhale brought their full panel up to Croke Park obviously only 24 had a chance of playing but everyone got to be involved. What about the lad who is training every night on the "B team". I think those lads deserve to be brought along but anyway I was just wondering have we decided it and if so why or has it been imposed on us.

bamayang

JohnCougar wrote: »

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I understand that but these lads are training away all year and then to not be even on the bus is a bit rough I think. Traditionally (as far as I'm aware) we would have brought a little over 30 to matches even if the lads over the 26 weren't going to play. Those panels would have lads on what you'd call the extended training panel who would be at most sessions but rarely if ever involved in the match day panels (this year) They would play the subs in training matches if lads go down injured etc. Is it because we can't fit them all on one bus? By my reckoning there are 4 management, about 4 medical staff (doc and Physio's) Nutritionist and 2 stats ladies, making 11 backroom and then 44 players is 55 and the biggest buses take 52 as far as I'm aware. But why doesn't he leave the 8 or 9 lads furthest from a chance of playing make their own way and bring the rest. I don't know why the change. As I said it's not a big thing I'm just curious.

I am not sure why the extended panel are not brought to games but I would think its a County Board decision. The players are told on a Thursday by text who is in the 26 for Sunday and those 26 turn up for training/meeting on Friday night when the team is named.

Maybe to make room for John Delaney and the girlfriend. We have not won an Ireland since 2015 when he was on the bus after the match :):):):)

I heard this was to stop teams and switches being leaked.

SteJer

Team for Saturday,

Murphy
Murphy
Lawlor
Delaney
Walsh
Deegan
Fogarty
Maher
Leahy
Hogan
TJ
Walter
Mullen
Fennelly
Donnelly

Pigeon Chaser

I think we need to keep Fogarty as a midfielder and give him the remit to drop back as he did V Cork.

I see most suggested teams have Fogarty as wing back. Just don't think he works for us as an orthodox wing back.
We will need our 6 backs playing deep and Fogarty operating between the 2 lines. Our half forward line should drop back to the middle and try create some space in front of Colin.

Prior to the Cork game, Fogarty had been a serious concern. We need to replicate the 2nd half V Cork. If we can do that, and not fall into the trap of lumping balls up we will win.

kilkennyboy

SteJer wrote: »

Team for Saturday,

Murphy
Murphy
Lawlor
Delaney
Walsh
Deegan
Fogarty
Maher
Leahy
Hogan
TJ
Walter
Mullen
Fennelly
Donnelly

Strong team on paper .
But probably not the starting 15 Joey will probably hold on and Browne.

Could Cody go with something a bit different like

Murphy

Murphy
Lawler
Walsh go after gillane from the start hammer the hammer

Fogarty
Browne could be a good match up with hayes
Deegan

Maher
Leahy

Wally
Tj
Mullen

Hogan
Fennelly
Donnelly

oconnol1

Good tickets for sale now on tickets.ie, lower Cusack 304

droppingball

Pigeon Chaser wrote: »

I think we need to keep Fogarty as a midfielder and give him the remit to drop back as he did V Cork.

I see most suggested teams have Fogarty as wing back. Just don't think he works for us as an orthodox wing back.
We will need our 6 backs playing deep and Fogarty operating between the 2 lines. Our half forward line should drop back to the middle and try create some space in front of Colin.

Prior to the Cork game, Fogarty had been a serious concern. We need to replicate the 2nd half V Cork. If we can do that, and not fall into the trap of lumping balls up we will win.

Fogarty will be half back again, why change him, his best game of the year was the last day and he played half back throughout.

Grats

SteJer wrote: »

Team for Saturday,

Murphy
Murphy
Lawlor
Delaney
Walsh
Deegan
Fogarty
Maher
Leahy
Hogan
TJ
Walter
Mullen
Fennelly
Donnelly

Would love to see Delaney, and indeed Buckley, back but feel it's too late in the season. We'd have a great set of backs if those two were available. Joey will start and Browne, with Maher to come on.

savannahkat

Good to see Zack Bay back on the minor starting 15 at 7 and Ian Byrne scorer of 2-1 from the bench last day starts at 15. Best od luck to them all they are a good team.

Grats

savannahkat wrote: »

Good to see Zack Bay back on the minor starting 15 at 7 and Ian Byrne scorer of 2-1 from the bench last day starts at 15. Best od luck to them all they are a good team.

After both their contributions versus Galway it's no great surprise. Both Dunnamaggin midfielders in subs now after lining out together on most games. The team as selected is strongest looking to date.

dastardly00

Grats wrote: »

After both their contributions versus Galway it's no great surprise. Both Dunnamaggin midfielders in subs now after lining out together on most games. The team as selected is strongest looking to date.

I thought Zak struggled a lot when he came on against Galway in the second half. He was marking #15 Greg Thomas who caught a good few balls which ended up in scores, including the third goal.

Thoughts? Maybe I've gotten mixed up

Grats

dastardly00 wrote: »

I thought Zak struggled a lot when he came on against Galway in the second half. He was marking #15 Greg Thomas who caught a good few balls which ended up in scores, including the third goal.

Thoughts? Maybe I've gotten mixed up

Maybe you're right but I thought he added something with his attacking style. Albeit a little over ambitious but nothing that couldn't be corrected.

SteJer

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Strong team on paper .
But probably not the starting 15 Joey will probably hold on and Browne.

Could Cody go with something a bit different like

Murphy

Murphy
Lawler
Walsh go after gillane from the start hammer the hammer

Fogarty
Browne could be a good match up with hayes
Deegan

Maher
Leahy

Wally
Tj
Mullen

Hogan
Fennelly
Donnelly

Lawlor or Delaney will be well able for Gillane. We need to keep Padraig Walsh on the half back line and not bottled up trying to man mark Gillane. I think Maher might be our best option to man mark Lynch. Browne has plenty of running in him but I can’t see him keeping up to Lynch in full flight.

kk.man

If we manage to cut off the supply lines and force limerick to take shots from distance I feel this will be key. It will mean working like dogs from the start.

savannahkat

Has or will the Official team be on Kilkenny Gaa website tonight

kilkennyboy

SteJer wrote: »

Lawlor or Delaney will be well able for Gillane. We need to keep Padraig Walsh on the half back line and not bottled up trying to man mark Gillane. I think Maher might be our best option to man mark Lynch. Browne has plenty of running in him but I can’t see him keeping up to Lynch in full flight.

Probably start that way but if gillane is doing harm what is plan b
Against cork Walsh back to the full line was our move to counteract
their threat..I think Browne is rated higher outside kk than in.spoke to one of the cork panel yesterday and he raved about him outstanding for both college teams he played for and in cork championship

savannahkat

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Probably start that way but if gillane is doing harm what is plan b
Against cork Walsh back to the full line was our move to counteract
their threat..I think Browne is rated higher outside kk than in.spoke to one of the cork panel yesterday and he raved about him outstanding for both college teams he played for and in cork championship

I think Brian Cody has a plan for Browne too.

Grats

savannahkat wrote: »

Has or will the Official team be on Kilkenny Gaa website tonight

Doubt it, it's always Friday no matter if it's a Saturday or Sunday fixture.

brookville

kk.man wrote: »

If we manage to cut off the supply lines and force limerick to take shots from distance I feel this will be key. It will mean working like dogs from the start.

Sounds simple alright but i think this is the only way we can beat limerick but as others have said we can't afford to have our half back line pulled our past mid field and our full back line left exposed inside.we know tom morrissey and hegarty will cover serious ground and spend time in their half back line and if they get the head up to delivery diagonal ball inside to gillane,Casey and mulcahy its very hard defend against.we will have to work like dogs out around here and I think lynch makes them click so it'll be intresting to see who we put on him cause last year we used fogarty.It would be a big ask for buckley after missing so much of like us to use fogarty like they use hannon just sitting in the pocket.They will have hannon in front of colin so it'll be intresting to see what they do with tj they generally dont man mark.
What will we do with our puck outs?going route one on top of hannon,Byrne's and morrissey is bread and butter but wally,tj and mullen all good in the air so these will all be good battles but we need to vary tings.Will we man mark gillane?padraig has being up and down but wouldnt be a out and out man marker.All these potential match ups are intriguing and add to the excitement.
I'm hopefull we get our tactics and match ups right and the cork victory will give us confidence but as we know this will be different ball game but we know whats coming down the tracks our lads will give what they have anyway im looking foward to it now it would be brillant if we could get the win.Best of luck to the two teams saturday.

allthedoyles

savannahkat

We should man mark no one. Let them worry about us. I dont care what Kilkenny midfield pairing starts who ever they are should play their own game unrestricted by the straight jacket of being told to man mark some one.By definition all four midfield players are trying to nullify the opposition any way so there is no need for special instructions. Similarly at the back let us play our own positions and keep some cover at all times at the back. After that let them worry about us and they have just as much as us to worry about.Let there be no negativity let them worry about man marking us.