Tommy Robinson jailed

wes

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

They probably refer to notorious racist Muhammad Ali as Cassius Clay.

He dropped the racism (you see some people can learn from there past mistakes) and was a man worthy of respect. Yaxley-Lennon is a violent career criminal who has been convicted multiple times including a few weeks ago. There really isn't a comparison.

wes

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Catholic church here and the church of england couldn hardly be lower in my estimation and I don't think I'm alone.

Yeah, those organization covered that up, and yet I see thread after thread on here complaining about Muslims constantly, and in fact at this point there are far more Anti-Muslim thread on here and 0 mention of the crimes of the church of England from the usual suspects.

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

If you started a thread specifically about that wouldn't you find it strange if people felt the need to point out muslim grooming gangs are bad too and you obviously don't care about them.

The big difference is that organization relating to the Religions actively covered up crimes, and yet your refer to Muslim grooming gangs, and yet no evidence that there crimes were motivated by Religion, or that the perpetrators were in anyway Religious (did they attend the mosque regularly, were they even practicing Muslims). Care to explain why Religion is relevant in these cases? Care to explain why you don't refer to Religious identity or lack there of, of every criminal? As it stands it pretty clear bias being shown.

I have yet to see a single poster establish how Religion was a motivation in these crimes, care to provide this evidence?

The agenda from certain posters is clear as day, and it pretty clear certain people choose to ignore it. BTW, I am not the one using the victims of terrible crimes as prop for racism and bigotry like Yaxley-Lennon does. Using victims as props is really disgusting and something that far right posters on here do on a regular basis. We have seen time and again that poster only care about the victims as far as they can use them for there obvious agenda.

Tipsy McSwagger

wes wrote: »

He dropped the racism (you see some people can learn from there past mistakes) and was a man worthy of respect. Yaxley-Lennon is a violent career criminal who has been convicted multiple times including a few weeks ago. There really isn't a comparison.

Tommy Robinson never had to drop the racism because he was never a racist.

Blaas4life

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Tommy Robinson never had to drop the racism because he was never a racist.

He's just used be leader of bunch of hyopcrites....rightly calling out police and muslims for covering up abuse...

While simultaneously EDL members worked to cover up paedophile abuse carried out by one of its own....if they are to have any credibility as an organisation they need to address these accusations instead of flinging mud at those making them?

Call Me Jimmy

They targeted their victims in a pattern. Those who were muslim were excluded so yes I believe to some extent it is religiously motivated. You have the aspect of membership of the gangs, extremely rare that anyone outside of the religion was allowed in. Then you have the other aspect where the authorities covered it up based on being afraid of being appeared to be racist or islamophobic. And yet you still have every single person on this thread who speaks about it tainted as racist or islamophobic in light of that fact. Which kind of proves the point.

You seem convinced religion wasn't the defining characteristic of the perpetrators, victims or the police reaction or lack thereof. So are you saying it was race? I think you will have hard time saying neither, based on the facts. And you can only make that move for the rationalisation of the attacks by perpetrators. You cannot argue it for the cover up.

As far as the church is concerned, if anyone is going to cover up a scandal you would expect that the institution itself would do so. Wherever authorities are intimidated into inaction, or even acting against the victims you have an even bigger societal problem where it is not the perpetrators seeking to protect themselves and it has to be addressed as a society.

As I've said before, I think there is a problem in the UK that goes right to the top. Across political and religious divides, based on testimony of whistleblowers and the facts of these cases. I hadn't seen what you posted but assumed that the church of england had been involved based on our country's experience with the catholic church. However only one category of these crimes will cause you to face criticism for talking about them.

end of the road

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Tommy Robinson never had to drop the racism because he was never a racist.

he's a racist, a violent thug and career criminal.

Tipsy McSwagger

end of the road wrote: »

he's a racist, a violent thug and career criminal.

If you can prove he’s a racist then I will promise whenever I see one of your posts on Boards I won’t laugh anymore.

wes

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Tommy Robinson never had to drop the racism because he was never a racist.

Go read the thread, its been established multiple times that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist. FFS, he was a member of the BNP, you know a racist organization (go google it, or just read the damn thread). Its ****ing laughable when Yaxley-Lennon fanboys make bull**** claims like this, it really is. Do you actually think people don't know about him or something.

Seriously, you need to do a lot better than making easily disprove claims.

So again Yaley-Lennon is a racist, convicted criminal and violent thug. All of that has been established multiple times on this thread. Claiming otherwise with 0 proof is a joke at this point.

Blaas4life

wes wrote: »

Go read the thread, its been established multiple times that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist. FFS, he was a member of the BNP, you know a racist organization (go google it, or just read the damn thread). Its ****ing laughable when Yaxley-Lennon fanboys make bull**** claims like this, it really is. Do you actually think people don't know about him or something.

Seriously, you need to do a lot better than making easily disprove claims.

So again Yaley-Lennon is a racist, convicted criminal and violent thug. All of that has been established multiple times on this thread. Claiming otherwise with 0 proof is a joke at this point.

It's helping noone and a bit of a pedantic dick move calling him yaley lennon or whatever....

.if he wants to be known as Tommy Robinson let him...you wouldn't go outta your way to deliberately call a tranny by the wrong sex/opposite to what they identify as,why do it to him??

wes

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

They targeted their victims in a pattern.

Yeah, the pattern were girls who vulnerable, just like all other pedophiles.

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Those who were muslim were excluded so yes I believe to some extent it is religiously motivated.

Yeah that is untrue, they targeted vulnerable girls in general, and even if they didn't not targeted Women from there own community, could just as easily be explain by them not wanting to get caught, as they would far easier to id them if they were committing the crimes in there own back yard so to speak.

Not going to waste my time with the rest of what you said. Its pretty clear that you have 0 actual evidence of a Religious motivation.

Simply put, crimes committed in the Church of England and the Catholic church were carried out by clergy and covered up by Religious organizations. People rightly criticism those organizations, but they do not generally refer to those crimes as being committed by Catholics or Anglicans, and you do that yourself. You then identify the grooming gangs as "Muslim", despite no evidence of a Religious motivation, evidence that all of them are clergy or a cover up by any Muslim organizations, you also see Muslims as a singular group, where as you differentiate between the Catholic church and the church of England.

Its clear you are not comparing like with like, you are criticize organizations and then going after Muslims (a group of people) in the same post. I think it is incredibly telling when someone does that, especially when in the case of one group we have crimes committed by clergy covered by Religious organizations and in the other we have men who may or may not be especially Religious or motivated by Religion. Simply put that smacks of bigotry and sectarianism.

wes

Blaas4life wrote: »

It's helping noone and a bit of a pedantic dick move calling him yaley lennon or whatever....

.if he wants to be known as Tommy Robinson let him...you wouldn't go outta your way to deliberately call a tranny by the wrong sex/opposite to what they identify as,why do it to him??

Not being a pedant at all. I don't tell other people to call him Yaxley-Lennon. If I did you would have a point.

Also, the term you used above is highly offensive, and saying that term is being a dick. FFS, that kind of thing is not on.

Also, using the dead name of a trans person is not comparable to using the real name of someone using a pseudonym, who again I will point has never legally changed his name, and quite frankly comparing the 2 is profoundly offensive.

Yaxley-Lennon can change his name any time he wants, he has chosen not to, so I will use his real name.

Billy86

Blaas4life wrote: »

He's just used be leader of bunch of hyopcrites....rightly calling out police and muslims for covering up abuse...

While simultaneously EDL members worked to cover up paedophile abuse carried out by one of its own....if they are to have any credibility as an organisation they need to address these accusations instead of flinging mud at those making them?

That would be the same EDL that Tommy/Steven/take your pick was the founder of. There's a good chance he was well aware, as he has a history of leaping to the defense of pedophiles, including a co-founder of the group - https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/176587/Paedo-rap-for-EDL-leader

• Tommy Robinson Defends Pedophile Co-Founder of EDL: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/176587/Paedo-rap-for-EDL-leader
  
• There was another high profile case of the EDL harboring pedophiles when Kane Hutchinson (manager of football team Gateshead Utd) was found to have been preying on young boys for years while also being an EDL member (blue top in this photo) - https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/ex-football-coach-kane-hutchison-14289816 .
  
• There really have been quite a lot... Another one who groomed and raped a 13 year old: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nazi-thug-who-chanted-allah-7915998
  
• One more here who was arrested for a terror bombing plot with other EDL members, and was later found to be making child porn all the way down to babies. He later became an officer for Britain First: https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2015/01/07/britain-first-officer-on-sex-offenders-register/
  
• Then there is yet another leading member of the EDL (head of EDL in Lincolnshire) in Paul Whiteside who abducted a 15 year old girl and took pictures of her undressing and taking a bath: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/senior-edl-leader-who-campaigned-11198714
  
• Not to mention EDL 'pedo hunters' who were at it themselves: https://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=89597
  
• Another EDL member who got 120 hours community service (surely there's an outraged AH thread on that somewhere, righNo? Oh well...) for indecent images with a 13 year old child: https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2012/05/20/why-did-the-edl-not-protest-this-paedophile-case/
  
• Another EDL member grooming a 13 year old in Vancouver and travelling all the way over to her: https://web.archive.org/web/20100524133916/http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Net-chat-groomer-flew-Canada-meet-teenage-girl/article-2184621-detail/article.html
  
• More EDL members making child porn: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/16/lancashire-couple-jailed-for-child-pornography-offences

Where was Steven/Tommy for all of these? I mean, when he wasn't busy outright defending them.

All those eager to jump on the entire Muslim community over these scandals I am sure will 100% agree that Tommy Robinson/Steven Yaxley-Lennon founded a pedophile group, openly defends his pedo mates, seems to surround himself with pedophiles, and that he is likely a pedophile himself. In fact, they would agree that the English right wing/nationalist movement in general has a huge pedophile problem that they refuse to address or even acknowledge.

I'm sure they won't go and try to apply a whole different set of rules based on the fact that these guys are right wingers and white, as opposed to Muslims.

end of the road

Blaas4life wrote: »

It's helping noone and a bit of a pedantic dick move calling him yaley lennon or whatever....

.if he wants to be known as Tommy Robinson let him...you wouldn't go outta your way to deliberately call a tranny by the wrong sex/opposite to what they identify as,why do it to him??

to be fair, stephen yaxley-lennon is his real name. tommy robinson isn't his real name, even if he may want to be known by that, he hasn't legally changed his name. i don't think we can compare someone calling someone by their real, legal name to someone calling a transexual a wrong name.

Taytoland

wes wrote: »

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Tommy Robinson never had to drop the racism because he was never a racist.

Go read the thread, its been established multiple times that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist. FFS, he was a member of the BNP, you know a racist organization (go google it, or just read the damn thread). Its ****ing laughable when Yaxley-Lennon fanboys make bull**** claims like this, it really is. Do you actually think people don't know about him or something.

Seriously, you need to do a lot better than making easily disprove claims.

So again Yaley-Lennon is a racist, convicted criminal and violent thug. All of that has been established multiple times on this thread. Claiming otherwise with 0 proof is a joke at this point.

Racist against what race?

Stephen15

Is racist disliking those Mooslom folk?

wes

Taytoland wrote: »

Racist against what race?

Google who the BNP were. Look into there politics. Its not hard to google stuff, you need to do some leg work yourself. I am not here to spoon feed you.

You can also read the thread for examples of his racism.

Odhinn

Stephen15 wrote: »

Is racist disliking those Mooslom folk?

Islamophobic. "sectarian" in a sense.

Taytoland

Odhinn wrote: »

Stephen15 wrote: »

Is racist disliking those Mooslom folk?

Islamophobic.  "sectarian" in a sense.

That old word, used to manipulate morons.

wes

Taytoland wrote: »

That old word, used to manipulate morons.

Perfectly valid term actually. Here is an example of an Islamophobic crime:

German man on trial for courtroom killing of Muslim woman


The Woman that Islamophobic bigot killed was also pregnant. Do you deny that such crimes take place, and that such bigotry exists? Care to explain yourself?

I would also note that most Islamophobic attacks are on Muslims Women, due to a combination of Muslim Women being more visible and most of the attackers being partially motivated by misogyny and looking for people who they perceive as being easy targets.

Racists and bigots will often deny that such crimes happen and try to down play them when they have been caught out with there farcical nonsense, and pretend they didn't engage in a blanket denial in the first place.

Stephen15

Odhinn wrote: »

Islamophobic. "sectarian" in a sense.

Not such thing as Islamphobia. A phobia is an irrational fear perfectly rational to be afraid of a 7th century ideology which stones people for adultery, thinks it's ok to to treat women like dirt, throw gays off buildings and wants to take the world over the list goes on of Islamic barbarism

Odhinn

Stephen15 wrote: »

Not such thing as Islamphobia. A phobia is an irrational fear perfectly rational to be afraid of a 7th century ideology which stones people for adultery, thinks it's ok to to treat women like dirt, throw gays off buildings and wants to take the world over.

….superimposing those notions over a population of a billion or so is the very definition of islamophobia.

Blaas4life

Odhinn wrote: »

Islamophobic. "sectarian" in a sense.

You can only be sectarian between sections of religion (catholic v prod in Christianity) and between shiite and sunni in Islam



Islamophobic is not a type of sectarianism

wes

Stephen15 wrote: »

Not such thing as Islamphobia. A phobia is an irrational fear perfectly rational to be afraid of a 7th century ideology which stones people for adultery, thinks it's ok to to treat women like dirt, throw gays off buildings and wants to take the world over the list goes on of Islamic barbarism

So you deny the motive of the murder of a pregnant Muslim Woman in a German court that was motivated by Islamophobia then (link provided right above your post)? I don't think your in a position to call anyone barbarian, when you deny such motives behind such crimes. I would consider murdering pregnant Women the height of barbarism, and your post denying the existence of the clear motivation to be utterly repugnant and a perfect example of the bigotry we see against Muslims from far right fascist posters.

Taytoland

Wes you are mixing up Anti Muslim with Islamophobia. Islam is not a race, Islam has been criticized for centuries by intellectuals who question the doctrine of Islam and the founder of Islam. Al-Ma'arri a blind poet in the 10th century was critical of Islam.

By using the logic of calling people who are critical of Islam Islamophobic is trying to claim that we have a mental health issue as it's a phobia. That is not the case. Plenty of sane rational people are critical of this ideology, I could name several intellectuals in the world today who are, such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and so on. Are you going to call them Islamophobic and say they have a mental health problem?

It makes no sense to say that, it would be like calling someone Catholicphobic because they disagree with Catholicism's teachings or what goes on within Catholicism. It's perfectly fine to question religion, it's perfectly fine to be critical of the atrocities carried out in Europe from people doing it in the name of Islam.

wes

Taytoland wrote: »

Wes you are mixing up Anti Muslim with Islamophobia.

No I am not, you just don't understand what words mean:

Islamophobia
NOUN
mass noun
Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

You are arguing semantics and your also wrong. Seriously you need to look up what words actually mean and stop with these nonsense semantic arguments. The word as its defined includes prejudice against Muslims.

I won't waste my time with the rest of your post, when you can't even get the meaning of the word being used right. FFS, this is getting silly.

Taytoland

Wes, I am arguing rational facts, using facts, reason and logic. You on the other hand are using emotion with no reason. To call those who are critical of Islam Islamophobic is you trying to equate criticism of Islam as being a mental health issue, calling those who criticize it as having a phobia. That is what a phobia is, a phobia is a mental health issue.

"Dislike of" is a laughable term because as an Atheist I am critical of religions, am I Protestantphobia, Judaismphobia? It's intellectually dishonest, it's trying to equate criticism of a doctrine just as those who are critical of Communism or National Socialism as having a phobia, something must be wrong with them. It's all nonsense.

Billy86

wes wrote: »

No I am not, you just don't understand what words mean:

Odds are you have had this exact discussion with this same person a number of times before.

Tipsy McSwagger

wes wrote: »

Go read the thread, its been established multiple times that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist. FFS, he was a member of the BNP, you know a racist organization (go google it, or just read the damn thread). Its ****ing laughable when Yaxley-Lennon fanboys make bull**** claims like this, it really is. Do you actually think people don't know about him or something.

Seriously, you need to do a lot better than making easily disprove claims.

So again Yaley-Lennon is a racist, convicted criminal and violent thug. All of that has been established multiple times on this thread. Claiming otherwise with 0 proof is a joke at this point.

I’ve been following the thread from the first post and asked multiple people to provide evidence that he’s a racist, none have done so. Now go and highlight these so called posts.

Snake Plisken

Billy86 wrote: »

Odds are you have had this exact discussion with this same person a number of times before.

Really Billy? Care to elaborate? Or is it just snide remarks calling out re-reg without any proof?

Taytoland

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

wes wrote: »

Go read the thread, its been established multiple times that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist. FFS, he was a member of the BNP, you know a racist organization (go google it, or just read the damn thread). Its ****ing laughable when Yaxley-Lennon fanboys make bull**** claims like this, it really is. Do you actually think people don't know about him or something.

Seriously, you need to do a lot better than making easily disprove claims.

So again Yaley-Lennon is a racist, convicted criminal and violent thug. All of that has been established multiple times on this thread. Claiming otherwise with 0 proof is a joke at this point.

I’ve been following the thread from the first post and asked multiple people to provide evidence that he’s a racist, none have done so.  Now go and highlight these so called posts.

I'm not even a big follow or "fan" of Tommy Robinson but if you actually look into his views on things like immigration he has liberal views on immigration, he has said himself on record he has no problem with immigration, it's been no issue to him as he grew up being surrounded by immigration. His only main issue from all I have read and watched is Islam, that is pretty much of it. 

He rarely talks about much else outside of the Islamic context which is a shame really but there you go. He certainly has more liberal views on immigration than I have.