Tommy Robinson jailed

lbc2019

mcmoustache wrote: »

The same reason you have people participating in multi-level marketing scams.

I have w great product you can sell for double what I charge you, but if you get others to sell it, i will give you treble!

lbc2019

Does being pro la make one antifa?

Billy86

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Yeah, well that's your problem, and says nothing about me.

Do you ask people for proof in real life? Why are you doing it online? Why do you find it difficult to be civil?

Not asking for proof is what makes people followers of Alex Jones. Who needs proof or anything at all to back up that the parents of dead children were actors, making it all up? Alex Jones said it so it must be true.

Perhaps you could link to one such HIV-related article that you are talking about as nonsense, and detail the reasons as to why it is.

OMM 0000

Billy86 wrote: »

Not asking for proof is what makes people followers of Alex Jones. Who needs proof or anything at all to back up that the parents of dead children were actors, making it all up? Alex Jones said it so it must be true.

Perhaps you could link to one such HIV-related article that you are talking about as nonsense, and detail the reasons as to why it is.

No thanks.

Billy86

OMM 0000 wrote: »

No thanks.

But if you're an expert on the matter and that example is what came to the forefront of your mind, I am sure you know some off hand to refer to?

If you make a claim like that, you need to back it up in some way. I could claim that my ex girlfriend was from Washington D.C. with her parents working for the CIA and in private intelligence, and thus was privvy to a few details on the whole Russia thing going on there ahead of the news. But if I could not back it up in any way whatsoever, I would not expect to be believed on it... even if it were true.

lbc2019

The reluctant expert

OMM 0000

Billy86 wrote: »

But if you're an expert on the matter and that example is what came to the forefront of your mind, I am sure you know some off hand to refer to?

If you make a claim like that, you need to back it up in some way. I could claim that my ex girlfriend was from Washington D.C. with her parents working for the CIA and in private intelligence, and thus was privvy to a few details on the whole Russia thing going on there ahead of time. But if I could not back it up in any way whatsoever, I would not expect to be believed on it, even if it were true.

You see, this is where you're confused. I don't care if you believe it or not.

Boggles

OMM 0000 wrote: »

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Do you ever notice if you're an expert in a topic, whenever you read an article about that topic on mainstream news source (e.g. the BBC), you're always scratching your head thinking what is this nonsense?

For example, I'm a HIV expert and practically every article on HIV is wrong. It's always a mix of misinformation and old wives tales. I've also a strong background is statistics, and I constantly see statistics being abused to make fake points.

That is a fairly serious allegation, the BBC are spreading mixed, misinformation and lies about a disease.

If one is going to make that claim they would want to provide proof.

Shouldn't be hard for an expert to link to a web page and break it down for us?

Billy86

OMM 0000 wrote: »

You see, this is where you're confused. I don't care if you believe it or not.

For someone who doesn't care, you do keep responding to others a lot on the matter.

Whether you care or not is irrelevant though, when it comes to others treating you or your claims in any way seriously.

Boggles

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Yes, you're hassling a stranger online to prove their education and qualifications.

Do you do this in real life?

Why are you doing it online?

Can you really not see the problem here?

Jaysus what ever happened to the absolute freedom of speech you have been banging on about? :pac:

He is only asking you a couple of obvious questions?

OMM 0000

Billy86 wrote: »

For someone who doesn't care, you do keep responding to others a lot on the matter.

Whether you care or not is irrelevant though, when it comes to others treating you or your claims in any way seriously.

I'm responding because I'm polite, and I'm waiting for a flight and have nothing to do.

Again, I don't care what you believe, or what you think of me. So go ahead and think whatever.

Boggles

OMM 0000 wrote: »

I'm responding because I'm polite, and I'm waiting for a flight and have nothing to do.

Sure why don't you look for that BBC link that is lying about HIV?

Snake Plisken

lbc2019 wrote: »

The reluctant expert

Just wondering what account were you posting under before you re-registered last month?

Snake Plisken

OMM 0000 wrote: »

I'm responding because I'm polite, and I'm waiting for a flight and have nothing to do.

Again, I don't care what you believe, or what you think of me. So go ahead and think whatever.

I'd ignore the boys in here, if you have a different opinion from them, they will round on you and frustrate until you post something attacking them and then they will all hit the report button and you'll end up with a ban!

Ken.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Just wondering what account were you posting under before you re-registered last month?

Mod- That is none of yours or anyone else's business.

OMM 0000

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I'd ignore the boys in here, if you have a different opinion from them, they will round on you and frustrate until you post something attacking them and then they will all hit the report button and you'll end up with a ban!

They don't bother me at all.

I was dragged to a boards event once, and the people there were an eye opener.

I had actually never met people like that before.

So I just assume the people replying are either young or are struggling somewhat.

If I wasn't aware of this, I'd probably be harsher.

I would prefer though if people talked online the way they talk offline.

I'm the exact same offline.

Billy86

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I'd ignore the boys in here, if you have a different opinion from them, they will round on you and frustrate until you post something attacking them and then they will all hit the report button and you'll end up with a ban!

Hey while you're here what's your thoughts on Tommy being utterly silent on all the pedophiles that keep popping up in the same EDL he created? Do you think that he, as someone who has a lot of contacts to and knowledge of the EDL, should investigate it more than he has, or not?

Boggles

OMM 0000 wrote: »

I would prefer though if people talked online the way they talk offline.

If one of my friends or a stranger for that matter told me in person that the BBC were spreading misinformation and lies about a disease, I'd would definitely ask for proof.

So could I have proof please?

Timberrrrrrrr

OMM 0000 wrote: »

No one can be an expert without explaining their qualifications to you?

Do you have a slight ego by any chance?

Trump university degree?

Eircom_Sucks

Billy86 wrote: »

Hey while you're here what's your thoughts on Tommy being utterly silent on all the pedophiles that keep popping up in the same EDL he created? Do you think that he, as someone who has a lot of contacts to and knowledge of the EDL, should investigate it more than he has, or not?

You mean same edl hes no longer part of ? That one ?

Have you even looked into the good he has done ?

Raised thousands for kids and people in need

Boggles

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

You mean same edl hes no longer part of ? That one ?

Have you even looked into the good he has done ?

Raised thousands for kids and people in need

Lolz the Jimmy Savile defense.

Billy86

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

You mean same edl hes no longer part of ? That one ?

Have you even looked into the good he has done ?

Raised thousands for kids and people in need

You seem reluctant to answer. It's the same EDL he founded, and the same one he would have an awful lot of knowledge of, both in it's structure and many of the members that have been in it.

Do you think he should do something about this and investigate, or keep quiet as he has done (which I guess is better than defending the EDL pedophiles, which wash is initial stance) as little children continue to be abused?

I mean that is what this is about right... children being abused? It's got nothing to do with using abused children as a political football and stick to beat minorities, correct? All children should be protected, regardless of whom the abusers are wouldn't you agree? If this is the case, then you should be upset about Tommy's silence on his old EDL buddies molesting and raping little children.

OMM 0000

Billy86 wrote: »

YOu seem reluctant to answer. It's the same EDL he founded, and the same one he would have an awful lot of knowledge of, both in it's structure and many of the members that have been in it.

Do you think he should do something about this and investigate, or keep quiet as he has done (which I guess is better than defending the EDL pedophiles, which wash is initial stance) as little children continue to be abused?

You misunderstand what Tommy is.

He's not a centrist who reports on problems in an unbiased, fact-based way.

His focus is on Muslims who refuse to integrate or respect local laws.

He's not totally wrong - in the UK there really is a problem with a certain percentage of Muslims causing chaos, supporting suicide bombings, etc.

But most Muslims are decent and just want to get by, the same as you and me.

So if you think he's an unbiased journalist reporting the facts about all issues, you are mistaken.

There's nothing wrong with being focused on one or two topics. But people who listen to him need to always keep an open mind that he is heavily biased.

ancapailldorcha

OMM 0000 wrote: »

YHis focus is on Muslims who refuse to integrate or respect local laws.

It isn't. It's on all Muslims:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j7IX_5a_9M

Look, a lot of your post could be the beginning of a sensible discussion of Muslims in the UK or the West. But Tommy doesn't care one whit. He's out for himself and that's it.

OMM 0000

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

It isn't. It's on all Muslims:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j7IX_5a_9M

Look, a lot of your post could be the beginning of a sensible discussion of Muslims in the UK or the West. But Tommy doesn't care one whit. He's out for himself and that's it.

That is indeed shocking. But to be fair:

Wikipedia wrote:

When Robinson was questioned by The Guardian about having blamed "'every single Muslim' for 'getting away' with the 7 July bombings, and for calling Islam a fascist and violent religion, he held up his hands and said, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry.'" Robinson also said that he would now give evidence to the police to help in their investigation of racists within the EDL.

The video you linked to is not recent. He left the EDL in 2013, so it's possible his opinions have become more responsible since then. (I don't know if they have).

Eircom_Sucks

people are too afraid to speak their minds incase people get upset , id love to hear of any irish person who has never had a bad word to say about foreigners , we all have

Look whats happening with a certain ethnic group in balbriggan , people are affraid to say anything incase labeled racist

Did we have this problem 20 years ago with ethnic groups ? Did england ? NO

They don’t integrate that’s what he is against , he has alot of muslim friends , had meetings with loads of muslims , he’s against the ideology of islam and lack of integration , and when you question their religon you get attacked , he can’t set foot in his own town in his own country by these goat ****ers

Cienciano

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Strange how the accounts banned by Facebook, Instagram, YouTube & Twitter are almost always those on the political right.

You seriously think it's strange that the groups that practice all the hate speech are the ones who are banned?

Odhinn

OMM 0000 wrote: »

That is indeed shocking. But to be fair:



The video you linked to is not recent. He left the EDL in 2013, so it's possible his opinions have become more responsible since then. (I don't know if they have).

So much more responsible he's been kicked offof twitter, facebook and instagram.

Billy Mays

lbc2019 wrote: »

Why are there so many Tommy fanboys in Ireland?

It's baffling tbh

30 or 40 years ago it would've been Irish people in the UK who the Tommy Robinsons of their day would've been directing their ire at

Outlaw Pete

Cienciano wrote: »

You seriously think it's strange that the groups that practice all the hate speech are the ones who are banned?

The right don't practice all the hate speech though, that's the point.