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Tommy Robinson jailed

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Apparently according to Lauren Southern, Tommy has been sentenced to 13 months but there is a UK wide embargo on reporting.

Anyone else got any info?

Edit. Not too sure about the authenticity of the embargo. I'm assuming that it's for this https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-arrested-leeds-court-child-grooming-trial-edl-founder-latest-a8368821.html?amp

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ohnonotgmail

sirmanga wrote: »

Also, it's not about spreading the hate. Right wingers are just as entitled to have an opinion on something as left wingers. It just so happens that all of the social media platforms are based in the ultra liberal California. So to think their is no bias is just silly.

can you point me to somebody who was banned because they happened to have a different opinion?

[Deleted User]

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

You mean same edl hes no longer part of ? That one ?

Have you even looked into the good he has done ?

Raised thousands for kids and people in need

That where the mortgage fraud cash went?

sirmanga

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

maybe because they are the ones spreading the hate

Also, it's not about spreading the hate. Right wingers are just as entitled to have an opinion on something as left wingers. It just so happens that all of the social media platforms are based in the ultra liberal California. So to think their is no bias is just silly.

ohnonotgmail

sirmanga wrote: »

Advocating a child be raped because you don't like his father's policy is not spreading the hate? Okay

i have no idea who the peter fonda you referred to is. I have no idea what sanctions twitter against them assuming they did even tweet what they said. How can i comment on something i have no knowledge of?

sirmanga

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

maybe because they are the ones spreading the hate

Advocating a child be raped because you don't like his father's policy is not spreading the hate? Okay

ohnonotgmail

sirmanga wrote: »

Ok, well I mean in general it tends to be right leaning people who get de-platformed. Alex Jones got banned from Twitter and the Twitter CEO admits he doesn't really know why. (By the way, I think Alex Jones is crazy.)

Yet Peter Fonda tweeted out that he thinks Trump's 12 year old son should be locked in a cage a raped and he didn't even get a suspension.

maybe because they are the ones spreading the hate

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sirmanga wrote: »

Indeed. But the problem is they don't enforce their rules fairly. Many people will be banned for saying something about e.g. black people and they will be rightly banned. A black person will say something derogatory about whites and they won't be banned. Just a general example, but I've seen things like this.
Also, if they start banning people for saying nasty things about Muslim they'll have to ban people for making fun of Christians. Or at least they should, to be fair.
The point is that Facebook, if they keep up this selective banning, will one day be forced to admit that they are an editorial website rather than a social media platform.

I'd need to see specific examples of selective racism bans, to be honest. Also, saying "nasty things" about one religion and then "making fun" of another; - interesting change of phrase there.

Ultimately, they can claim whatever they want to be. They can be a social media platform and practice whatever rules they want. They ban be a social media platform and be inconsistent. Why would this go against the definition of a "social media platform"?

sirmanga

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there was nothing selective about their banning of tommy

Ok, well I mean in general it tends to be right leaning people who get de-platformed. Alex Jones got banned from Twitter and the Twitter CEO admits he doesn't really know why. (By the way, I think Alex Jones is crazy.)

Yet Peter Fonda tweeted out that he thinks Trump's 12 year old son should be locked in a cage a raped and he didn't even get a suspension.

ohnonotgmail

sirmanga wrote: »

Indeed. But the problem is they don't enforce their rules properly. Many people will bebanned for saying something about e.g. black people and they will be rightly banned. A black person will say something derogatory about whites and they won't be banned.

The point is that Facebook, if they keep up this selective banning, will one day be forced to admit that they are an editorial website rather than a social media platform.

there was nothing selective about their banning of tommy

sirmanga

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you dont have an issue with FB banning him then?

If he said those things, then no I don't.

sirmanga

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Facebook is an independent, private company. They have no duty to provide anyone with free speech - you are bound by the terms and conditions you agree to when you create the account. Same with twitter. Same with boards.ie. Same with indymedia and stormfront for that matter.

Also, they could be held liable for anything libelous written on their platforms. There was aver serious case involving this very platform and a major events management company not so long ago.

Indeed. But the problem is they don't enforce their rules fairly. Many people will be banned for saying something about e.g. black people and they will be rightly banned. A black person will say something derogatory about whites and they won't be banned. Just a general example, but I've seen things like this.
Also, if they start banning people for saying nasty things about Muslim they'll have to ban people for making fun of Christians. Or at least they should, to be fair.
The point is that Facebook, if they keep up this selective banning, will one day be forced to admit that they are an editorial website rather than a social media platform.

ohnonotgmail

sirmanga wrote: »

All of those examples are an incitement to violence, apart from the calling Muslim filthy scumbags.

so you dont have an issue with FB banning him then?

lbc2019

malinheader wrote: »

Because we have seen what has happened in the UK and also alot of other European countries. And I for one don't want Ireland following suit.

What happened? Ugly white men blamed their problems on someone else and voted to leave the EU?

sirmanga

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

would you consider any of this inciting violence?

All of those examples are an incitement to violence, apart from the calling Muslim filthy scumbags.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sirmanga wrote: »

It's quite clear there is a coordinated plan to shut down Robinson, and as far as I'm concerned that's outrageous. People should be allowed to say what they want as long as it doesn't incite violence. Saying Islam is an evil religion should not warrant a ban from any platform. Unless of course Facebook are enforcing blasphemy laws? Saying that Muslims should be killed, on the other hand, should obviously warrant a ban (I'm not saying Robinson ever said this, by the way.)

Facebook is an independent, private company. They have no duty to provide anyone with free speech - you are bound by the terms and conditions you agree to when you create the account. Same with twitter. Same with boards.ie. Same with indymedia and stormfront for that matter.

Also, they could be held liable for anything libelous written on their platforms. There was a serious case involving this very platform and a major events management company not so long ago.

[Deleted User]

OMM 0000 wrote: »

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/12/social-media-facebook-twitter-google-youtube-bias-conservatives-republicans-column/1250893002/

That's an Opinion piece, not a source. Best to read your own links first.

ohnonotgmail

sirmanga wrote: »

It's quite clear there is a coordinated plan to shut down Robinson, and as far as I'm concerned that's outrageous. People should be allowed to say what they want as long as it doesn't incite violence. Saying Islam is an evil religion should not warrant a ban from any platform. Unless of course Facebook are enforcing blasphemy laws? Saying that Muslims should be killed, on the other hand, should obviously warrant a ban (I'm not saying Robinson ever said this, by the way.)

Having said all of this, it's quite clear that Robinson is a thuggish lager lout who now has deluded himself into thinking he's some kind of freedom fighter. Also, if anyone has ever seen videos of him getting into fights, he punches like a 12 year old girl.

would you consider any of this inciting violence?

According to Facebook, a written warning had been sent to Mr Robinson last month about a number of posts on his page that had violated its community standards, including:
a post calling Muslims "filthy scum bags"
a post urging people to terrorise and behead those who follow the Koran
a post urging people to "make war" on Muslims
multiple videos depicting individuals being bullied

[Deleted User]

mcmoustache wrote: »

Really?

You think that Facebook banned him because of something in a TV show? That's actually where your mind went with the information that you have?

You didn't consider that maybe using facebook's platform to spread a lie that had the effect of ddosing the phone lines of a rape crisis centre might have had something to do with it or that maybe he simply failed to heed the warning from facebook?

Yeah, it must be the TV show.

A TV show that has also not been aired so posters cannot be aware of the content.

sirmanga

It's quite clear there is a coordinated plan to shut down Robinson, and as far as I'm concerned that's outrageous. People should be allowed to say what they want as long as it doesn't incite violence. Saying Islam is an evil religion should not warrant a ban from any platform. Unless of course Facebook are enforcing blasphemy laws? Saying that Muslims should be killed, on the other hand, should obviously warrant a ban (I'm not saying Robinson ever said this, by the way.)

Having said all of this, it's quite clear that Robinson is a thuggish lager lout who now has deluded himself into thinking he's some kind of freedom fighter. Also, if anyone has ever seen videos of him getting into fights, he punches like a 12 year old girl.

[Deleted User]

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Why would there be a mistrial if someone reported on it?

Because the jury have to rely on information provided at the trial. Were information outside the evidence to be provided in reporting and the jury see it then the trial would be tainted and the judge forced to call a mistrial.

The defendants may also be involved in other trials. They would not be seen to get a fair trial from the other court if the jury had read about this trial.

To make it simple suppose you were up on trial for bank robbery and also separately for burglary. If the jury for the burglary case read about the bank robbery trial they'd likely be prejudiced against you and see you as a wrong 'un thus hugely increasing the chances of conviction when you may be innocent of both charges.

Tommy Robinson could have been potentially prejudicing the juries against innocent men. It's not his job to interfere in cases and he's more likely to get guilty men freed by his actions. As a retired lawyer I'm completely clear on the need for Robinson to be charged for his actions.

malinheader

lbc2019 wrote: »

Why are there so many Tommy fanboys in Ireland?

Because we have seen what has happened in the UK and also alot of other European countries. And I for one don't want Ireland following suit.

Billy86

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

people are too afraid to speak their minds incase people get upset , id love to hear of any irish person who has never had a bad word to say about foreigners , we all have

Look whats happening with a certain ethnic group in balbriggan , people are affraid to say anything incase labeled racist

Did we have this problem 20 years ago with ethnic groups ? Did england ? NO

They don’t integrate that’s what he is against , he has alot of muslim friends , had meetings with loads of muslims , he’s against the ideology of islam and lack of integration , and when you question their religon you get attacked , he can’t set foot in his own town in his own country by these goat ****ers

I can't help but notice how you can't answer whether Tommy should be investigating the EDL and the glorified pedo ring it seems to have become (or may have been from the start, since Tommy started it with a pedophile mate of his).

Be honest, it's because they're white and "not leftists" isn't it?

Annd9

Watched the panorama video and reluctantly found myself on TR'S side . It really goes to show how dishonest all media has become , it's very rare to find true middle ground reporting .

After watching the video autoplay kicked in , a documentary about Saville began . Why are Tommy and his "No Surrender" crew not throwing their weight around for victims of the rape gangs seemingly prevalent in middle class England ?
The argument of whataboutary can be made but surely if he is so concerned for victims of rape gangs he can use his decent sized profile to highlight this further . Plenty of these people have yet to be exposed .

This I'm sure is highly unlikely as Tommy seems to now be a "Free Speech" activist ..... For this month anyway .

Outlaw Pete

Cienciano wrote: »

You seriously think it's strange that the groups that practice all the hate speech are the ones who are banned?

The right don't practice all the hate speech though, that's the point.

Billy Mays

lbc2019 wrote: »

Why are there so many Tommy fanboys in Ireland?

It's baffling tbh

30 or 40 years ago it would've been Irish people in the UK who the Tommy Robinsons of their day would've been directing their ire at

Odhinn

OMM 0000 wrote: »

That is indeed shocking. But to be fair:

The video you linked to is not recent. He left the EDL in 2013, so it's possible his opinions have become more responsible since then. (I don't know if they have).

So much more responsible he's been kicked offof twitter, facebook and instagram.

Cienciano

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Strange how the accounts banned by Facebook, Instagram, YouTube & Twitter are almost always those on the political right.

You seriously think it's strange that the groups that practice all the hate speech are the ones who are banned?

Eircom_Sucks

people are too afraid to speak their minds incase people get upset , id love to hear of any irish person who has never had a bad word to say about foreigners , we all have

Look whats happening with a certain ethnic group in balbriggan , people are affraid to say anything incase labeled racist

Did we have this problem 20 years ago with ethnic groups ? Did england ? NO

They don’t integrate that’s what he is against , he has alot of muslim friends , had meetings with loads of muslims , he’s against the ideology of islam and lack of integration , and when you question their religon you get attacked , he can’t set foot in his own town in his own country by these goat ****ers

OMM 0000

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

It isn't. It's on all Muslims:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j7IX_5a_9M

Look, a lot of your post could be the beginning of a sensible discussion of Muslims in the UK or the West. But Tommy doesn't care one whit. He's out for himself and that's it.

That is indeed shocking. But to be fair:

Wikipedia wrote:

When Robinson was questioned by The Guardian about having blamed "'every single Muslim' for 'getting away' with the 7 July bombings, and for calling Islam a fascist and violent religion, he held up his hands and said, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry.'" Robinson also said that he would now give evidence to the police to help in their investigation of racists within the EDL.

The video you linked to is not recent. He left the EDL in 2013, so it's possible his opinions have become more responsible since then. (I don't know if they have).

ancapailldorcha

OMM 0000 wrote: »

YHis focus is on Muslims who refuse to integrate or respect local laws.

It isn't. It's on all Muslims:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j7IX_5a_9M

Look, a lot of your post could be the beginning of a sensible discussion of Muslims in the UK or the West. But Tommy doesn't care one whit. He's out for himself and that's it.