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The horrific death of Ana Kriegel

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    #722
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    OwlsZat wrote: »
    +1 from me. We are so slow moving for using psychedelics for good though. Literally expect it in the year 3000.

    It is currently used for drug treatment in some countries. Definitely has potential for use on offenders when used in a specific way though


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    #723
    CeilingFly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭CeilingFly


    chicorytip wrote: »
    This killing is so utterly shocking that I am surprised it's not making headline news all over the world.

    Unfortunately, on an international basis, its just another killing.

    Its a big story here because its so unusual, same with the jastine murder.

    There have been 5 murders in London in the past week. 60 so far this year!
    They barely make the London news let alone national news due to it being so common.

    Take out the kinahan/hutch killings here and even after the past week, Ireland still has one of the lowest murder rates in the world.


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    #724
    Rechuchote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    zapitastas wrote: »
    There is a drug called iboga that does that very thing. Should be synthesized and used for punishment.

    What is this obsession with punishment? Redemption is what's needed.


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    #725
    Happy4all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    You'll be banned Frank! You're only trying to wind people up

    Trolling on both threads


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    #726
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Not even gonna quote that but the disrespect in the terminology is fcuking vile. Reported every post that fool has posted. Hope it's actioned


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    #727
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Happy4all wrote: »
    Trolling on both threads

    Reported on both. Hope the mods are around


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    #728
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Not even gonna quote that but the disrespect in the terminology is fcuking vile. Reported every post that fool has posted. Hope it's actioned

    Yeah I reported him too. One of a very few times I've done that.


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    #729
    KathleenGrant
    Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    Thespoofer wrote: »
    Pr*ck

    Getting off on your comment. Don't bother with him.


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    #730
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Folks, don't give this d!ckhead any oxygen...


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    #731
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Hes gone. What a scumbag. That should be a crime in itself what he was saying.


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    #732
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    KathleenGrant wrote: »
    Getting off on your comment. Don't bother with him.

    You're right. Im going back and deleting any comments made towards that thing


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    #733
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    Posters like that makes you wonder what other sick ****s are out there!


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    #734
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Mod note:A few posts removed there, folks. Report, don't react, thanks.

    Buford T. Justice


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    #735
    Sundew
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    Well done mods! Vile post even by AH standards!


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    #736
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    Hes gone. What a scumbag. That should be a crime in itself what he was saying.

    There always some scrote who wants to play. Fair play to mod action...


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    #737
    Happy4all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Mod note:A few posts removed there, folks. Report, don't react, thanks.

    Buford T. Justice

    Thanks. Is his IP known? Worth reporting further


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    #738
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Strazdas wrote: »
    This is the official gofundme page for Ana if anyone would like to make a donation :

    https://www.gofundme.com/Anastasia-kriegel

    The total has jumped over E1,000 since this post was made.


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    #739
    bessboroughboy
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭bessboroughboy


    I'll have forgotten that thing's name in an hour or so, I will always remember the name Ana Kriegel though.

    (Talking about the thing that was banned, not about the link above)


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    #740
    TomOnBoard
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    zapitastas wrote: »
    It is currently used for drug treatment in some countries. Definitely has potential for use on offenders when used in a specific way though

    I'd be open to it being looked at so long as it was a voluntary treatment with proven efficacy and safety. This kind of thing gives me the creeps I have to say - probably because of the connotation of enforced drug administration in U.S. prisons of stuff that proved very unsafe after the event.


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    #741
    wakka12
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    chicorytip wrote: »
    This killing is so utterly shocking that I am surprised it's not making headline news all over the world.

    I was surprised it wasnt on Biritsh news at least. Jastines murder was on british news


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    #742
    [Deleted User]
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    I agree with some posters, this DNA shyte and the likes is getting dragged out. We all understand how things work, if it was 5 of them, or two, whomever killed her (landed a fatal blow)gets the murder wrap and the rest is chopped up to battery, manslaughter, mitigating factors, child offenders and whatever else any clever defence barrister can muster to make a name for himself in the wig and pen....

    But the media are not covering this half as much as they did katie ****ing french!!! a child was brutally murdered, yes, this should make international headlines, more so than our fecking yes/no vote in my book. the poor girls story is drowned amidst a week of canvasing and wicklow vigils, the latter being equally as tragic but more sensationalised I think..

    have we ever had a case like this in ireland???? I cannot recall, it's bloody sickening and needs to be called exactly that.
    I don't think anyone is interested in how much coke that weirdo kavanagh did or is interested in seeing footage of him partying and smiling into a camera having murdered a young woman. I dont give a **** that he was shot either, it's over now and sadly the innocent pick up the pieces. All media needs to be on this story now, give the girl the respect those hounds denied her til her death....absolute cnuts and i'll take a thread ban for it....


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    #743
    Brae100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Brae100


    Omackeral wrote: »
    It doesn't work, categorically and undeniably. I've been working in prison for the last ten years and the amount of people I see coming back is striking. It's got to be at least 1 in 3. ''Back again?'' ''Ah yeah... ya know yourself.'' It's honestly that nonchalant. I wouldn't be overtly proud of that.

    It's a lot more than one in three. The official rates show nearly double that (63% recidivism after three years), which doesn't include people who haven't been caught.


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    #744
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    rusty cole wrote: »
    I agree with some posters, this DNA shyte and the likes is getting dragged out. We all understand how things work, if it was 5 of them, or two, whomever killed her (landed a fatal blow)gets the murder wrap and the rest is chopped up to battery, manslaughter, mitigating factors, child offenders and whatever else any clever defence barrister can muster to make a name for himself in the wig and pen....

    But the media are not covering this half as much as they did katie ****ing french!!! a child was brutally murdered, yes, this should make international headlines, more so than our fecking yes/no vote in my book. the poor girls story is drowned amidst a week of canvasing and wicklow vigils, the latter being equally as tragic but more sensationalised I think..

    have we ever had a case like this in ireland???? I cannot recall, it's bloody sickening and needs to be called exactly that.
    I don't think anyone is interested in how much coke that weirdo kavanagh did or is interested in seeing footage of him partying and smiling into a camera having murdered a young woman. I dont give a **** that he was shot either, it's over now and sadly the innocent pick up the pieces. All media needs to be on this story now, give the girl the respect those hounds denied her til her death....absolute cnuts and i'll take a thread ban for it....

    Don't see how increased media makes any difference. Those involved will never be named but if you know anyone from leixlip there's a chance they'll know.
    Nothing to report at the moment. We all know what happened anyway, the why will come out soon too.
    Family want privacy.
    Gardai building their cases towards arrests and I assume a huge amount is going on with legal representatives.


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    #745
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Should i even ask what was said?..

    I have had a particularly heavy workload the last couple of days, and while I have been having a break and as I am a bit tired, I have been thinking a lot about how f**king horrific this is. :mad:
    I can not get my head around this at all.
    I hope there is at the very least, 'a bit' of uproar when arrests are made, to show that people are genuinely horrified and angry over Ana's death. I read today that she posted a video a few weeks ago saying that she has been bullied for 4 years, and she can handle it. Or something to that affect.

    That made me feel sick anda lot of other emotions.
    I just kept thinking she was 7, 8, 9 years old and happy and innocent, as children should be. And then for no reason when she was 10, some kids started being c**ts.
    How could she understand that when nobody else can?
    Yet she dealt with it and spoke about it and had started to overcome it.
    The fact that she did not let them affect her, probably angered the bullies even more.
    She was better than them in every way, and seemingly fought to her last breath. If it was bullies that murdered her, and if she was set up, I hope every single person involved are brought to justice.

    I hope whoever is responsible for her murder gets everything coming to them, and more.


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    #746
    bessboroughboy
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭bessboroughboy


    Things may indeed be moving slowly but I'm sure the guards are very motivated to strengthen their case as much as possible. Guards have daughters, sisters, nieces, etc. too.

    This will be a landmark case and it will receive the attention it demands.

    The current scarcity of media coverage has probably been requested by the Garda press office (just my opinion).


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    #747
    Textronic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Textronic


    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    Don't see how increased media makes any difference. Those involved will never be named but if you know anyone from leixlip there's a chance they'll know.
    Nothing to report at the moment. We all know what happened anyway, the why will come out soon too.
    Family want privacy.
    Gardai building their cases towards arrests and I assume a huge amount is going on with legal representatives.

    'Family want privacy '

    And you're after disclosing sensitive information about the burial


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    #748
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    bessboroughboy wrote: »
    Things may indeed be moving slowly but I'm sure the guards are very motivated to strengthen their case as much as possible. Guards have daughters, sisters, nieces, etc. too.

    This will be a landmark case and it will receive the attention it demands.

    The current scarcity of media coverage has probably been requested by the Garda press office (just my opinion).

    I doubt this will end up in a protracted trial. The DPP will be aiming for a slam dunk case that will result in Guilty pleas, even if lesser charges have to be brought to encourage that.


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    #749
    aerodynamix
    Registered Users Posts: 28 ✭aerodynamix


    Strazdas wrote: »
    This is the official gofundme page for Ana if anyone would like to make a donation : /QUOTE]

    I'm sure the intentions are good, but this was set up by a 17 year old in Ashbourne with no connection to the Kriegel family, and there is no way of ensuring the money reaches the right people. I wish there was a way of ensuring this, and more people would contribute. Not that money will make much difference to the heartbreak of the poor family.


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    #750
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    aerodynamix wrote: »
    Strazdas wrote: »
    This is the official gofundme page for Ana if anyone would like to make a donation : /QUOTE]

    I'm sure the intentions are good, but this was set up by a 17 year old in Ashbourne with no connection to the Kriegel family, and there is no way of ensuring the money reaches the right people. I wish there was a way of ensuring this, and more people would contribute. Not that money will make much difference to the heartbreak of the poor family.

    I was about to ask about this. Do gofundme play a role in ensuring it reaches the advertised cause? Only used it twice before and that was when I knew the people involved.


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    #751
    anewme
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    aerodynamix wrote: »
    Strazdas wrote: »
    This is the official gofundme page for Ana if anyone would like to make a donation : /QUOTE]

    I'm sure the intentions are good, but this was set up by a 17 year old in Ashbourne with no connection to the Kriegel family, and there is no way of ensuring the money reaches the right people. I wish there was a way of ensuring this, and more people would contribute. Not that money will make much difference to the heartbreak of the poor family.

    I also don’t doubt the intentions of the person setting up and goodwill of those donating.

    My concern would be a slightly different one. As has been said already, the Kriegel family are quite private and taking that into account, I’m not sure how they would feel about this and if it is what they would really want. Some people might not feel comfortable with it. Maybe they have been asked and are fine with it, but it’s not clear if thay have, so it does not sit with me for that reason. I suppose they can always donate it on to a charity close to their hearts if they wish.

    Sometimes it’s hard to know what to do for the best, especially in a situation as sensitive as this.


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