Apple pulls out of data center in Athenry due to fcuked up planning and gob****es

runawaybishop

cnocbui wrote: »

I do, and so too should any Irish taxpayer with half their brain functioning. Expanding the grid and possibly copping a €600 M fine for doing so isn't a small issue.

Possibly doth butter no parsnips. Refusing development because we don't want to expand our grid is asinine.

salmocab

Ubbquittious wrote: »

You'll see the megacorps playing the Jobs card and banging on about economic benefits for the locals but once they've bypassed the planning stage the robots will be ready to roll in and you'll be reading about the redun-dun-dun-de-dun-dun-cies on thejournal.

Robots doing what exactly? There is no assembly happening in there

runawaybishop

Ubbquittious wrote: »

You'll see the megacorps playing the Jobs card and banging on about economic benefits for the locals but once they've bypassed the planning stage the robots will be ready to roll in and you'll be reading about the redun-dun-dun-de-dun-dun-cies on thejournal.

Are robots going to build it too? Should we block all corporations in the country because of backwards retards?

jimgoose

cnocbui wrote: »

I do, and so too should any Irish taxpayer with half their brain functioning. Expanding the grid and possibly copping a €600 M fine for doing so isn't a small issue.

The grid has expanded considerably already you know, since the time when everyone had only one incandescent bulb in De Good Room and no telly. :pac:

Billy86

Ubbquittious wrote: »

You'll see the megacorps playing the Jobs card and banging on about economic benefits for the locals but once they've bypassed the planning stage the robots will be ready to roll in and you'll be reading about the redun-dun-dun-de-dun-dun-cies on thejournal.

You should bring this up to the people who have posted in this thread who work in data centres. Though it might not be worth your while as probably robots anyway.

Venom

Billy86 wrote: »

You should bring this up to the people who have posted in this thread who work in data centres. Though it might not be worth your while as probably robots anyway.

Bet its Russian robots too!!!

Boggles

salmocab wrote: »

Robots doing what exactly? There is no assembly happening in there

There would be a certain amount of "assembly".

Swapping out nodes and arrays for instance.

zom

jimgoose wrote: »

The grid has expanded considerably already you know, since the time when everyone had only one incandescent bulb in De Good Room and no telly. :pac:

But since then we got a bunch of nuts who count every breath we take as this produces CO2 and we have to pay for it:

https://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx

With energy costs growing constantly, environmental impact of such huge data centre can overwhelm all benefits like jobs positions and maybe some taxes (if any). Surely it never looks good if you lose big investment but this was pretty heavy stuff and worth consideration in decades of use.

Doctors room ghost

Ubbquittious wrote: »

You'll see the megacorps playing the Jobs card and banging on about economic benefits for the locals but once they've bypassed the planning stage the robots will be ready to roll in and you'll be reading about the redun-dun-dun-de-dun-dun-cies on thejournal.

Typical of the paddywhackery that shelved this build in the first place.a typical Irish flaw to express paranoia and distrust in outsiders coming in building.finding fault before it has even begun.
A great day for the paddywhackers.biffo would be proud of ye along with his frog census.
Were the robots going to construct the building?carparks?security?maintenance?electricians?plumbers?engineers?
Pure tin foil hat territory.

Venom

Boggles wrote: »

There would be a certain amount of "assembly".

Swapping out nodes and arrays for instance.

Stop talking rubbish. Those mega servers come pre-built and pre-configured and would pretty much just be plugged into the existing network by a lowly human.


The same lowly human who works in shifts with others that would replace any drives or other components that might fail, during the 24/7/365 uptime these servers are running.

Kermit.de.frog

The judges who wanted to refer to the European Court have to take responsibility here too.


The whole thing totally stupid from start to finish.

Why anyone would invest here now is beyond me. We have proven time and time again we are not capable of self governance never mind proper governance.

knipex

runawaybishop wrote: »

Who gives a **** how much power it uses? They will be paying for the expansion of our grid.

There is a far far far greater impact then grid connection..

Boggles

Venom wrote: »

Stop talking rubbish. Those mega servers come pre-built and pre-configured and would pretty much just be plugged into the existing network by a lowly human.

Yeah, that's not what I am talking about though.

On your way. :rolleyes:

Billy86

Venom wrote: »

Bet its Russian robots too!!!

Only for the remote positions.

knipex

runawaybishop wrote: »

Are robots going to build it too? Should we block all corporations in the country because of backwards retards?

Very very very quick to throw insults but very very very slow to even look at the arguments presented.

There is a significant long term impact to the state as a result of building data centers so to the infrastructure, power demand, emissions etc.

There is a short term benefit during construction and what appears to be a relatively small long term benefit..

Its not a win win win for the state of the people in the area, be it in Dublin or Athenry,. However this is or should be more an issue of government and IDA policy rather than Planning permission. and a policy either way (for or against data centers) should have been enough to prevent much of the crap that happened in Athenry..

One More Toy

Neoliberal bullshít. We need to stop sucking the teat of these multinationals that pay little or no tax in ireland.

When did we become such a country sucking the nipples of MNCs?

Fair play to the objectors I say

BPKS

One More Toy wrote: »

Neoliberal bullshít. We need to stop sucking the teat of these multinationals that pay little or no tax in ireland.

When did we become such a country sucking the nipples of MNCs?

Fair play to the objectors I say

A modern day "Burn everything British except their coal":rolleyes:

bunderoon

runawaybishop wrote: »

Who gives a **** how much power it uses? They will be paying for the expansion of our grid.

This development would probably be a net loss to the state overall.

It has been estimated that when a site such as what was planned, was up and fully running, it would require 5% of Ireland's total power generation.
We would incur massive fines from the EU as we wouldnt meet our renewable targets.

There was a guy on Newstalk last year who highlighted it.

yrreg0850

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm looking at this as a Dub but for Athenry this must be devastating.

The locals have every right to be furious with what was interference from primarily people that live no where near.

Real reform needed NOW.

Has any body asked WHO instigated and funded all these objections and, used locals as proxies.

knipex

Karen Late Rubber-stamp wrote: »

This is all pure speculation with no foundation. Your bias is blinding you.

This is a very bad day for Ireland and Co. Galway in particular, that is fact.

There is a significant difference between a fact and opinion, what you stated is an opinion.

The shambolic planning system was highlighted and I could possibly have an impact on a future MNC decision to invest here. However that was highlighted months ago, not today and was highlighted many times previously.. Its a problem, and has been a problem for decades and it needs to be addressed.

However calling today specifically bad day for Ireland and Galway is, imoh, a stretch,

One More Toy

One More Toy wrote: »

Neoliberal bullsh We need to stop sucking the teat of these multinationals that pay little or no tax in ireland.

When did we become such a country sucking the nipples of MNCs?

Fair play to the objectors I say

Tell that to the 100's of thousands of people they employ both directly and indirectly or all the people in school or university hoping to get good jobs of which most are in MNCs.

You haven't a clue.

runawaybishop

knipex wrote: »

Very very very quick to throw insults but very very very slow to even look at the arguments presented.

There is a significant long term impact to the state as a result of building data centers so to the infrastructure, power demand, emissions etc.

There is a short term benefit during construction and what appears to be a relatively small long term benefit..

Its not a win win win for the state of the people in the area, be it in Dublin or Athenry,. However this is or should be more an issue of government and IDA policy rather than Planning permission. and a policy either way (for or against data centers) should have been enough to prevent much of the crap that happened in Athenry..

That was a direct response to the robots comment. You can tell that because I quoted it.

Aside from that planning was granted several times and then appealed causing huge delays, which resulted in them pulling out.

VinLieger

One More Toy wrote: »

Neoliberal bullshít. We need to stop sucking the teat of these multinationals that pay little or no tax in ireland.

When did we become such a country sucking the nipples of MNCs?

Fair play to the objectors I say

Yeah! Lets build our own data centres with hookers and blackjack

sparksfly

Yillan wrote: »

OSI wrote: »

Not to mention Apple is committed to making all of it's facilities run on 100% renewable energy so they would have followed up the development with investment in renewable energy resources in Ireland.

Would they? Where does it say that? According to anything I read, Apple were going to use renewable energy, but had made no commitment to creating any renewable energy, which would just mean paying Airtricity etc for their wind farm electricity, and then the rest of us are back on the fossil fuels.

I think I read that the servers would add an extra 4% energy burden to Ireland, which would put strain on a supply which is just barely ticking along as it is.

And the idea of 150 permanent jobs is apparently a bit of a fantasy designed to dress up the project so people can argue it would be good for the local economy. So you have a paltry number of additional jobs, a huge drain on the energy supply for the country and Apple building a huge centre in the middle of nowhere but god help anyone that even suggests it mightn't be as good as it is presented to be.  

A new McDonalds opening would be better for the local and national economy than this 500 million euro project.

A Mc Donalds is a drain on the national economy. Revenue is generated in Ireland and net is exported, the balance is negetive.
The revenue from the Data centre is mostly generated outside Ireland and the net balance is positive.

Ronaldinho

runawaybishop wrote: »

Who gives a **** how much power it uses? They will be paying for the expansion of our grid.

Do you have a source confirming this? How much did they agree to pay?

Boggles

sparksfly wrote: »

A Mc Donalds is a drain on the national economy. Revenue is generated in Ireland and net is exported, the balance is negetive.
The revenue from the Data centre is mostly generated outside Ireland and the net balance is positive.

Sorry, what?

dr.fuzzenstein

Allan Daly is a cnut and I can only encourage people to bully him out of the country, because Ireland doesn't need up his own hole arseholes like him.
I would definitely suggest that people mail packets of dogsh*t to him.
All the trolls are having a massive wankfest I see.

runawaybishop

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Do you have a source confirming this? How much did they agree to pay?

Do you think they will get electricity for free?

Ronaldinho

runawaybishop wrote: »

Do you think they will get electricity for free?

The infrastructure..

You said they would pay for the expansion of the grid.

Do you have a source confirming same, and if so, how much were they set to pay?

Ronaldinho

Ronaldinho wrote: »

The infrastructure..

You said they would pay for the expansion of the grid.

Do you have a source confirming same, and if so, how much were they set to pay?

Who cares if they will pay or not. The infrastructure needs to be improved regardless unless you propose we should turn down all investment from now on and not bother creating jobs purely because you don't want to use electricity.