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DCM 2018 - Mentored Novice Thread
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30-04-2018 4:23pm#1Hello there, you're all very welcome to the DCM 2018 Mentored Novices Thread!
This is the 10th year that Boards has offered support and advice to DCM Novices. In 2009, -amadeus-- composed the opening symphony. Rainbow kirby took over in 2010, Raycun in 2011, followed by Younganne in 2012. career_move kept the show on the road in 2013, succeeded by Ososlo for the 2014 stanza. Dubgal72 with her expert coaching managed to get her crew through in 2015, while the 2016 edition was hosted by the notorious (not really!) nop98, in 2017 Wubble Wubble did a sterling job to bring Wubble's Wonders to the start line and me along with them which brings us to 2018...
About the Novices thread
This thread is aimed at anyone considering doing the Dublin City Marathon for the first time this year, on October 28th. It isn't limited to those who haven't run a marathon before, maybe you ran one but it's a few years ago and you're getting back into it or maybe you ran it but it didn't go well and now you're looking for a different approach...
The Training
Training for any marathon is tough, especially if it's your first! It helps if you can spare a lot of time to devote to it, it can involve a fair amount of running at stupid o'clock as your runs get longer.
Our training plans commence on Monday, June 25th, that is 8 weeks from today. I recommend that you have been running quite regularly for a year. Come June 25th, you want to be running comfortably 3-4 times a week, every week, covering at least 20 miles per week. If you want some advise on how to build your mileage up to 20 mpw over the next 8 weeks then we're here for that too
Have a look at the two training plans on offer and see if you can find a way to fit one of them into your life for 18 weeks. Can you fit this in your daily routine, your holiday plans, your family life? If you're unsure, just try it out for a couple of weeks and see how you get on. The mileage in the programs will go up, so be realistic in your self-assessment. If you have doubts post here and we'll give you our honest opinions.
Training Plans
The Hal Higdon Novice 1 plan is a widely used novice marathon plan. It's a simple, and straightforward plan, which slowly increases the weekly mileage to eventually include a 20 mile training run, and has step-back weeks built in to help the body adapt. It uses 3 mid-week runs, which will slowly increase in length, and a longer weekend run. Ideally, you mix in one day of cross-training, too.
The Boards plan for 2018 is for slightly more experienced runners. It includes more variety in paces (either "easy" pace, or PMP ("planned marathon pace")), it includes strides on some of the easy runs, and generally covers more miles - e.g. 2 * 20 milers.
Both plans include all the Race Series build-up races (the South Dublin 10k in Swords on July 22nd, the Frank Duffy 10-miler on Sept 2nd in Fingal, and the Race Series Half Marathon, on September 22 in the Phoenix Park). You don't have to run these races, but it's a good idea to try one or more of them or other races of similar distances during the program to give yourself a feel for running at race pace and to see how much you've progressed. If the dates of your choosen races don't tie in exactly with the plan then don't worry - we can advise you on how to restructure the plan as we go on.
There are many more plans out there of course, but we recommend that you choose one of the above and trust the plan you choose! Both of these plans have got countless runners across the line over the past 9 years and they can get you across the line in 2018!
General Guidelines
The longest runs are the most important. You can of course switch runs around within a week if you need to. If you have to skip a run, try make it one of the short runs. When it's gone, it's gone. Do not go chasing lost mileage in subsequent weeks.
Run slow. Once you think you run slow enough, run even slower. You will hear this on repeat for the next 26 weeks and for a reason, you will not be able to complete all the training miles if you don't run the majority of them slow (slower than you will run on the day itself and possibly slower than you have ever run).
Once the program is about to start, we'll talk about how to determine your training paces.
Be realistic. A marathon is no mean physical or mental challenge - hopefully you will have raced at some of the shorter distances already. Don't set your heart on hitting a particular time. You won't have a pace car in front of you to block out the wind, or have water bottles handed to you, a la Kipchoge and co. If you do want to set a target time, be conservative. The marathon has so many variables that can impact on your time.
Listen to your body. If something doesn't feel right, stop your run. If it continues, seek professional guidance. As per general Boards guidelines, we cannot offer medical advice.
You'll have to make sure your wife/husband/partner is on your side. Believe you and me, it does make a difference when he/she is ready and willing to support what you're doing.
And Here Is Your Host...
I jumped on the 2017 Novices bus for my first and to date only marathon. I joined a fantastic group of fellow novices, DCM was only the beginning of the journey for most of us... The support, encouragement, advice along the way was incredible as was the day itself which surpassed my expectations in every way possible. I trained for a faster time than i achieved but i had no idea of how much MORE i would achieve than a finishing time which in the end was irrelevant because i had the most amazing experience running my 1st marathon and made friendships that it seems are for life (for better or worse i can't seem to shake them off :P). You may go on to run many more marathons in the future, but as the saying goes "You never forget your first".
Let me tell you this time last year i had many doubts; 3 young kids, a full time job, my OH had a full time job, a commute to his job, a part-time job and a hobby or two (how dare he
)... so seriously fitting in the training was my biggest worry but i discovered that if you want something badly enough you will find or make the time for it... a good time for a cliche? Here it is - "where there is a will there really is a way"!
And just to let you know it's not just me you will be behind you, skyblue46 (the elder statesman of the 2017 bunch :P) and KellyGirl who is about to embark on her 4th marathon in a few weeks time will also be around to share their knowledge and experiences. As will many more of the 2017 novices and other experienced runners from these parts
If i can do it, anyone can, anyone including you!
Over to you now
To finish, I'd really appreciate if you could tell us a little bit about yourself, and answer the following questions.
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
Why are you running this marathon?
Thanks for reading. Once again, welcome to the thread, should you choose to accept the challenge i guarantee you will not regret it!71
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Great choice for mentor! So excited to see this up and running. Maybe I should cancel my Berlin plans and redirect?!
Oh I'm pretty sure your participation in this thread is required even if you're doing a different marathon
Ariana - delighted to see you as the mentor! Looking forward to joining in 0 -
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Delighted to see this up and running reminds me of last year when we all started on our journey and the friendships we made along the way
Anyone thinking of joining in you won't regret it and you're in good hands with Ariana and her crew best of luck guys so exciting 0 -
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I'm feeling the love here, thanks everyoneGreat choice for mentor! So excited to see this up and running. Maybe I should cancel my Berlin plans and redirect?!
Please don't be a stranger, there will be some overlap.Coffee Fulled Runner wrote: »Good luck guys I'll get this monkey off my back some day :pac:
This year perhaps
Wubble Wubble wrote: »A more than worthy successor, who will considerably outperform her predecessor Best of luck!
Ah now i doubt that but we can compare some stats on Oct 28th over a pint in McGettigans if you really want :PThis thread has been recommended to me as I signed up to DCM 18 the day after registration opened ��. Never done one before and can do with all the advise I can get. Thank you for what I am sure is a lot of hard work going into this ❤
Hi Al and welcome (i won't remember all them numbers so i hope Al is ok with you?). When you get a chance answer the questions in the opening post so we can begin to get to know you 0 -
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Exciting. Looking forward to see how the novices get on with the weather, mileage, early starts and having fun. :cool:You may go on to run many more marathons in the future, but as the saying goes "You never forget your first".
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It's lovely to read all the nice messages this morning - thank you all most sincerely
To any potential novices who are stalking this, please don't be shy. Pop in and say hello even if you're not ready to answer the questions on the opening thread yet. If you're reading this and asking yourself can I, will I, should i? Then most probably the answers are yes, yes and yes. You won't look back 0 -
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Hi Everyone.
Was waiting for this thread to start with huge anticipation.
First attempt at a marathon. My back round was mainly cycling. Raced a bit on and off for about 2 years but just didnt have the time needed to train to be competitive. Been running off and on with about 10 years. Big gaps in between. Had an acl replacement and a few more minor injuries but decided to knock the bike on the head and give the running a go this year.
Pb's 5k was 19:25 about 4 years ago. Currently around 20:30.
Ran my first half this year in Tralee and finished in 1 hr 42 mins.
10 miler pb is 72 mins and that is a few years back again. Latest was 4 weeks ago with a 77 mins.
I am currently running 4 or 5 times a week.
Followed a plan for the half but ever since its a case of run as far as i feel.
Had a few niggles with the soleos muscle and a few blisters the last few weeks but all seems good now.
Cant wait to get started on the plan.
Target is anything sub 4 which i think is fairly do able barring injuries in the training.
Thanks in Advance for all your help!!
Welcome Sann, good to have you on board. Those PBs are very impressive and as Amirani said sub 4 should be very doable with consistent training. It's very early to be talking about target times but there's a rough formula for a marathon time which is twice you half time + 20 mins which in your case would give you 3:44. Keep up the consistency for the next 8 weeks and you'll be in a great place to start the plan come June 25th 0 -
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Hi, I have just joined up today, Dublin will be my first marathon
Have you raced before? Yes
If so what are your PBs? Tralee HM time just under 2 hours, 1:59. I have done 2 other half marathons, also some 5km, 10km and 10 milers. 10km PB is around 56 mins at the moment.
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? the odd time on the longer runs but not always.
How much training do you currently do ? Current training plan, if I can stick to it, are 4 runs a week with a long run and a tempo run thrown in. I would also do a spin and a kettlebells class during the week.
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time? I am just looking to get myself across the finish line :)
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow? I have had a look at training plans on line and used that to create my own training plan. I would have 5 days a week with either a run or a gym class.
What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up? hitting the wall!
Why are you running this marathon? for fun
Welcome, delighted to have you along You sound like you have a great base already. 4 runs and 2 gym classes a week is great going. Would you consider switching one of those classes to a Pilates class if your gym runs them? It would be great for strength and ultimately injury prevention. It sounds like your runs are already the perfect mix for marathon training - have you had a chance to look at the plans? I think you would be able for either of them. 0 -
I've been waiting patiently for this thread to open. Delighted to have you as our mentor ariana. Looking forward to your guidance and support as I attempt my first marathon.
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs?
5km - 28.05 Great Ireland Run April 2017.
10km - 60.33 Gingerbread Run November 2017.
5 mile - 50 minutes - Raheny. January 2018 - Only one I have done.
Half - 2.44. Rock & Roll August 2017 - Only one to date.
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
No.
How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
From this week I will be running four days a week, 2 X 5k, 1x 8k and a LSR of 10k plus. Will increase gradually to 20 miles per week before the plan starts.
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
I just want to say "I did it". I am a slow runner so would hope to finish in under 6 hours.
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
I will run four times a week, cross train on a Sunday. I will follow the Hal Higdon plan.
What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
That I will fail to make the starting line due to injury. No reason to think this if I follow the plan correctly and do strength and conditioning exercises.
Why are you running this marathon?
I turned 50 in February so decided this was the year to do something big just for me! I have more free time now that the kids are no longer kids so I want to use this time productively
Looking forward to interacting with all the other novices this year.
Thanks for taking us under your wing ariana and everyone else.0 -
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Hi Everyone.
Was waiting for this thread to start with huge anticipation.
Had a few niggles with the soleos muscle and a few blisters the last few weeks but all seems good now.
Cant wait to get started on the plan.
Hi Sann you are in great hands here so do stick around on your soleus muscle
have you got a little ball if not might be worth getting one and use it to roll your feet over it losen everything up and also work on loosening your calf muscles with a foam roller or you can use a narrow roller even a broom handle and work them hold on any sore spots till they ease and that should help you out better to get in the habit of that now it will help you no end when your increasing your mileage:)0 -
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I've been waiting patiently for this thread to open. Delighted to have you as our mentor ariana. Looking forward to your guidance and support as I attempt my first marathon.
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs?
5km - 28.05 Great Ireland Run April 2017.
10km - 60.33 Gingerbread Run November 2017.
5 mile - 50 minutes - Raheny. January 2018 - Only one I have done.
Half - 2.44. Rock & Roll August 2017 - Only one to date.
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
No.
How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
From this week I will be running four days a week, 2 X 5k, 1x 8k and a LSR of 10k plus. Will increase gradually to 20 miles per week before the plan starts.
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
I just want to say "I did it". I am a slow runner so would hope to finish in under 6 hours.
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
I will run four times a week, cross train on a Sunday. I will follow the Hal Higdon plan.
What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
That I will fail to make the starting line due to injury. No reason to think this if I follow the plan correctly and do strength and conditioning exercises.
Why are you running this marathon?
I turned 50 in February so decided this was the year to do something big just for me! I have more free time now that the kids are no longer kids so I want to use this time productively
Looking forward to interacting with all the other novices this year.
Thanks for taking us under your wing ariana and everyone else.
Welcome gypsylee Your plans to build up to 20mpw sound perfect and i love your intention to commit to strength & conditioning. If you could find a class for that it would help a lot, but of course doing it yourself at home will be great too, it just might get more difficult to motivate yourself as the weeks go on the mileage gets higher and some fatigue sets in. Best of luck over the coming few weeks with base building, keep us updated.cullenswood wrote: »Might as well give this a go so.
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
5k: 18:47 (about 3 years ago)
10k: 39:42 (Nov 2017)
HM: 1:29:59 (Mar 2017)
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
No
How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
About 55k a week on a good week (including a long run of about 22km) and two other easy runs of about 10-12k and an interval session.
Also do a pilates class every week
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
Main aim is to get to the start line uninjured! After that the ideal finish would be 3:29:59
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
Probably 5 days. I have been looking at the meno plan for the past while and like the flexibility it gives, plus I like look of the midweek MP sessions. Has anyone any advice on using this as a first timer?
What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
Getting injured in the build up. I am hoping I will be able for the increase in mileage as it builds up, but there are always niggles and fear these will increase as the plan goes on.
Why are you running this marathon?
Love running, love the me time it gives me on the solo runs, and enjoy going for a run with others to catch up. Used to say I will never run a marathon due to the time commitment, but kids are a bit older now and have decided I would like to have that box ticked, and am not getting any younger.
Hi cullenswood, wow another speedy with a great base Your ideal finish time sounds achievable based on your HM time but it's great to be taking a relaxed approach at this stage. The pilates class will be a big bonus on the injury front, along with a sensible approach to training and pacing your runs, so don't worry. I'm sure someone will come along with advice on the meno plan 0 -
Hi Sann you are in great hands here so do stick around on your soleus muscle
have you got a little ball if not might be worth getting one and use it to roll your feet over it losen everything up and also work on loosening your calf muscles with a foam roller or you can use a narrow roller even a broom handle and work them hold on any sore spots till they ease and that should help you out better to get in the habit of that now it will help you no end when your increasing your mileage:)
This is great advice and is appropriate for everyone. If you haven't got a foam roller then now is a good time to invest in one, if you can't stretch to it then a rolling pin (yes the type you use for making an apple pie) is almost as good! A tennis ball and/or a golf ball may also be handy. There are plenty of you tube videos to help with foam rolling the calves, hamstrings, glutes, quads 0 -
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Hi Ariana
Thanks for taking us on, I had a feeling yourself and Kelly Girl might be involved in this years Novices after following last years thread. This will be my first marathon so looking forward to it
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
5k: 21.48 Mar '18
10k: 50.07 Apr '18
5m : 41.11 Jan '18
I'll be doing the Tallaght 5k and Terenure 5 miler in the coming weeks,so hopefully duck under 21 and 40
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
No
How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
4 days a week including one long (16k at the min) 1 S&C class
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
To get the job done, if I get under 4 hours that would be a bonus
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
As many as I need to do, I will be following the boards plan as you have gone to the trouble of doing one and has served people well over the years
What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
None
Why are you running this marathon?
My dad was a 2.3x and my brother is a 2.4x so hopefully I bought the same genes in the shop they got theres, so need to reclaim the bragging rights at the kitchen table
Rossi they are good numbers you have there to indicate a Sub 4 is more than achievable. It'll be interesting to see how you go in Tallaght and Terenure to get a good picture of where you're at right now. The 5k time indicates lots of improvement is likely on your 5 mile and 10k times. Enjoy the races and even more so this thread! 0 -
AuldManKing wrote: »A great choice for mentor and co-mentor! Congrats to you both.
I'll hopefully dip in and out of this thread adding my tuppence worth - this year I might even take my own advice and slow down on the 1st few miles!!
Apart from the advice you get - its a way to keep track of your training and more importantly, as you get more and more immersed into Marathon training and your loved ones at home or pals in work are sick of you talking about it, you can offload here!!
Socially its great to meet up too at races or just the odd run - it all adds to the experience.
Best of luck all.
If we can come any way close to matching the contributions you made last year we will be more than happy. Looking forward to your contributions this year too.
Have a good one tomorrow night (assuming you're doing the BHAA 5k?) 0 -
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