Cork developments

snotboogie

The scale of the recent scheme developments in Cork is insane: https://www.irishexaminer.com/property/developmentconstruction/arid-41723130.html

For context this single development, tucked away in a corner of Ballincollig, will likely have a similar population to Kanturk on completion. Mentioned in the same article is that O'Flynn are set to apply for planning for an additional 500 homes to their dunkettle development, also taking that scheme to over 1,000 homes, just smaller than this one. I think new homes are great and I commend the density but I don't think people are aware of the scale of what's being built. The three developments around Carrs Hill, while smaller individually, are collectively adding about 1,500 homes to Douglas and since its three separate developers it's all being built at once. Everybody is seeing the massive apartment building at the Marina and will soon see at Albert Quay and by Musgrave park but these mixed scheme developments are much less visible. The scale of what is coming online now is at a totally different level to the Celtic Tiger.

orangerhyme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123903023#Comment_123903023

I was thinking the same.

Ballyvolane also is a very big site.

Cork's population is exploding really.

Also lots of big developments in the commuter towns.

Exiled Rebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123903072#Comment_123903072

We in Fermoy badly need more housing. A development of 336 units was recently shot down by ACP because the developer didn't allow enough playing fields. The inspector basically said he didn't accept what the developer had proposed - which the council accepted - would be sufficient.

But the best of all is the fact the site shares a boundary to approx. 10 acres containing 3 full sized gaa pitches - its not gaa land. The playing fields are publicly accessible with rights of way and has a newish pedestrian path around the perimeter for the public to enjoy.

I actually wonder did the inspector bother his hole visiting the site. From reading the report he for some reason decided to take a very strict view of the county development plan. 3 years and thousands wasted by the developer, it would sicken ya.

Meanwhile the housing list in Fermoy remains as long as your arm.

gooseman12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123903023#Comment_123903023

Link to application details on the Ballincollig development for anyone interested….. http://maglinlrd.com/

Markcheese

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123904179#Comment_123904179

How far up maglin road is the development, could be a fair walk into the village . . Which in reality means loads more cars on small roads trying to get to schools ect,and then work

Not that housing isn't needed..

DylanQuestion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123904201#Comment_123904201

Up against the N22

Markcheese

So no walking for those lads then , school or anywhere else .. that's a 30 mins walk from the road to centre of b'colig , although I looked on Google maps and was surprised to see a footpath , so that's a plus ..

hans aus dtschl

1200 car parking spaces. 2400 car movements per day….

Markcheese

Even if its only 1 car parking space per house ,it'll be a minimum 2 cars each ..

Nobody's going to be dropping 400,000 grand on a new home ..be a couple of km from a commuter town , and not have a second car ..

DylanQuestion

The nearest bus stop isn’t anywhere near the site (especially the back of the site), and the proposed Luas goes nowhere near it either

airy fairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123904908#Comment_123904908

Bit like the planning that was granted on the backend of Carrigaline. 400 homes on a tiny country road. One of the stipulations of planning was that the road be upgraded before building begins and the developer said it was unfair..it was also granted even though a short drive from the land, 2 houses took fire recently. There was low water pressure for the fire brigades, and had to get a tank of water from Midleton.

It all spells long term issues for potential residents. No forward planning or thinking.

DylanQuestion

New parks are just absolutely massive in terms of area too. I think there are two huge problems with this, which are the lack of through roads, and one entrance/exit. This isn’t really good for bus access to residents. Compare Maryborough Woods, for example, where a bus goes through it, with Mount Oval, where residents at the back need to walk over 1km to a bus stop. Maryborough Woods has a through road, Mount Oval doesn’t (well, it kind of does, but it isn’t used in this way). Bayly is a great bad example. There isn’t a bus on Carrigaline Road south of the Maryborough Woods exit to serve Bayly anyway, but if there was, it’s a huge walk from the main part of the park to the actual exit, as well as hills. Why wouldn’t someone prefer to drive here?

kub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123906612#Comment_123906612

I am sorry, but I have no sympathy for the residents of Mount Oval

The 216 route was planned and was ran in through Mount Oval when the route originally started.

Some of the residents there objected to a bus service in their estate so they parked their cars at a junction within the estate in order to make a turn impossible for buses.

Bus Eireann therefore rerouted the service

DylanQuestion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123906634#Comment_123906634

Is that true? I had heard this before and said it to a friend recently, and they said it was a made up rumour

Corkladddd!!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123906728#Comment_123906728

Yes it is, the protests also related to a lot of anti-social behavior in Mount Oval at the time and it was blamed (incorrectly! it had to be teenagers from other parks travelling in rather than my little Johnny) on the bus. They also closed my shortcut from Broadale for a pint at the time!

gooseman12

re the Maglin development in Ballincollig, yes I would concur with most of the comments regarding walking, cars and public transport.

We are in the unfortunate situation these days where we just need the houses so all other considerations seem to go out the window.

Parks have been mentioned but other services like schools, libraries, GPs, dentists, childcare and many other public services get totally ignored.

For example, Ballincollig has had a shortage of secondary school places for years, and only in the past couple of years has a 3rd school been opened but this school is still in prefabs out the back of one of the other schools.

The new building for this school is years away and even then, it is being built in Ovens over 4km from the Maglin site. So no link between where the houses are going and where the school is going.

Then the "School Demand Report" in the application on the site basically says 'twill all be grand in the end.

I just get annoyed at the lack of joined up thinking, we have a plan to build 1000 units (and there are 2 more LRDs in ballincollig that I am aware of), we have bus connects and light rail plans, we have school building plans but no one seems to be looking at the bigger picture of how they all work together

Gazzler82

Bus connects is planned to have a regular route (15/20min iirc)along the back road (carrignara/castle road) so not outrageous walk to public transport. If the Luas team have any regard for the public consultation there is no chance of the Luas going down station road so they either go down Flynns road or greenfields for a looped route which would also well service Maglin. Though whether the Luas ever gets built is another question

thomil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123908021#Comment_123908021

It's never going to go anywhere near Greenfields hopefully. That area wasd one opf the focal points for NIMBYist pusbhack against BusConnects ("Save our roundabouts", "Save our right-hang turn lanes" and similar BS), and it stands to reason that the locals will try to pull the same BS against LUAS if they go anywhere near. Flynn's road might be a better option but I suspect the gradient changes there would cause some issues as well. Besides, the lot at Westcliffe is almost as bad with regards to NIMBYism as the Greenfields crows, so I'd expect them to mobilise everything under the sun to prevent anything that threatens to even slightly inconvenience them and their precious wankpanzers as well.

DylanQuestion

I wonder if the Luas barely going into Ballincollig is intentional. It basically does a small loop of the town centre instead of going deep into the town and down to Dell. It doesn't really serve much benefit for the South Ballincollig sites. And as I said, since most new parks (or estates, as most call them) only have one entrance and exit, that leads to most of the development being a considerable distance to the bus stop at the front.

Deub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123908410#Comment_123908410

For me, the way the Luas is designed is a recipe for failure. For example, I think it should go through Ballincollig until the first green fields. You can build a carpark so people from the county on that side can use it to go to Cork for instance. With the current design, only people from Ballincollig town can use it. If you live outside, you won’t use it because you have nowhere to park near it so you are better going by car to your destination.