Cork developments

snotboogie

Wasn't there huge issues in the Marina Market getting planning permission because of the proximity to Gouldings Chemicals and the fear that a large gathering there would be at risk if there was an accident at the plant? We have seen Gouldings get refused planning permission for their move from the docklands, so that is now on an indefinite hold and almost certainly requires road infrastructure to be improved to facilitate the move. In other words it could be 20+ years away. No idea how the owners of the market expect to get approval for a facility that's going to drive 10x the traffic to the same location? The owner here isn't a developer, where will the money come from? The only thing that gives this proposal a shred of credibility is the apparent presence of AEG in the bid. I'd like to hear more details on that. My fear is that this will actually further slow down the Live Nation proposal. The media are doing a shocking job reporting this without mentioning Gouldings, Chat GPT could come up with that question if you plugged the proposal in.

Mr.CoolGuy

Controversial opinion? I kind of like the derelict buildings on North Main street. Yes, they're in complete **** and it's a disgrace, but they kind of look the good kind of in ****. Like you know the ugly people in Hollywood aren't really that ugly? These are like the Steve Buscemi of ugly buildings.

Itssoeasy

The steps by the train station are finally open.

Apogee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123406133#Comment_123406133

Architects rendering for Good Shepherd, showing integration of the old building

https://goodshepherdlrd.ie/planning-application-drawings/

igCorcaigh

This looks fantastic!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41633683.html

Chris_5339762

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123464159#Comment_123464159

They were planning that back in 2008 but sadly the economy collapsed.

It would be nice to have alright, for tourists only really though. Realistically the train/bus will be far faster for anything apart from Aghada to Cork, so I don't think it'll pick up many commuters at all.

the beer revolu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123464442#Comment_123464442

That's my fear as well. That it will just be too slow. Probably more expensive than the bus, too. I love the idea but I have concerns about its viability.

Mefistofelino

It would operate a half hourly service, 7am to 10pm daily, 364 days a year, with two of its four ships switching to a tourist offering after the peak morning rush.

I can't see how this all stacks up. Given the 6 knot limit from the city centre to LoughMahon and that they are unlikely to be allowed to run flat out down stream of that (perhaps 20 knots), its going to take more than an hour to do the run to Cobh. Antwerp has a similar system that takes 90 minutes for a similar distance - though admittedly on a river - on 30 minute departures and they have 8 or more boats.

One of the articles about the ferries mentions how they would have a 300 passenger capacity, which is 2-3 times what most similar foot passenger river ferries carry - and the little graphic accompanying the route map shows a 100 passenger unit being developed for South Korea. So in terms of "mass transit" - it could move anything between 200 and 600 people per hour in either direction at peak.

There's also the non-inconsequential matter of installing up to 17 wheelchair compatible pontoons, capable of safely loading dozens of passengers at a time. And (hopefully) integrating with local public transport

It's nice to see alternative approaches to public transport but it just seems to be trying to deliver too many things in too many places. A less ambitious version might be more realistic.

hans aus dtschl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467818#Comment_123467818

Your last sentence there is what I was thinking too. It's doing too much.

With a 6 knot limit (11kmh) you're competing with running, in terms of speeds of travel. So they really need to focus on trips across the river (which can't be easily done) rather than along the river (which can be easily done) if they want to be a transport option. Blackrock to Little Island (and Tivoli in future) seem like obvious desire lines but it's just a standard ferry that's needed for that, rather than a tourist craft. Cobh to Whitegate and Ringaskiddy could be busy too maybe.

Shedite27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467818#Comment_123467818

Yeah this feels like a complete non-starter

snotboogie

Blackrock castle, which I think is the cutoff for the speed limit, to the city center would be about 25 minutes at 6 knots. Thats better than public transport at peak times on that route and assumably would be much more reliable. Not sure if I'm missing something here?

Mefistofelino

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123470263#Comment_123470263

There'll be a bit more time lost for the five (?) stops enroute but you're probably right - for that section the boat could be faster, but only if you live adjacent to a stop. Once potential passengers have to travel any distance to the ferry, you've probably lost any advantage. The best option would be the continental approach where you cycle / scoot to the ferry, bring your bike on board and cycle to your ultimate destination at the other end.

And hopefully as the other public transport measures take effect over time, the delays for land-based transport should reduce where as the boat will never get any quicker.

Captainsatnav

Nothing to see here Id suggest. He got his press release and his name in the local papers. That's what was intended.

Same as The Prism, same as the Custom House Tower development, Docklands redevelopments etc, etc.

Press releases years ago, nada actually happens.

Apogee

You'd never know there was a housing crisis based on the decisions coming out of ABP:

The plans consisted of 123 apartments and a creche at Old Fort Road, Ballincollig, with the development to be made up of 84 two-bed apartments and 39 one-bed apartments. However, An Bord Pleanála noted issues in terms of this proposed dwelling mix.

The Cork City Development Plan 2022 notes that a minimum of 25% of units in an apartment development of this size should be three bed, and a minimum of 10% should be four bed. A maximum of 25% can be one bed and a maximum of 40% can be two bed.

It looks like the developer also messed up, but could ABP not have gone back and asked them to submit the missing file, rather than rejecting the application outright?

However, the planning inspector said that as a Statement of Housing Mix was not submitted and the issue was not been addressed in the applicant’s Material Contravention Statement, meaning they were “precluded from granting permission”.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41642164.html

And not first the first time, they've rejected an application because it's 'visually obtrusive'. No doubt, the unobstructed views will be of great comfort to those without accommodation…

Plans for a massive development of over 800 new homes in Cork city docks including a 35-storey apartment block have been refused planning permission by An Bord Pleanála.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/property/developmentconstruction/arid-41642443.html

https://www.echolive.ie/nationalnews/arid-41642590.html

And it took them almost 3 years to make that decision

https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/313277

fonecrusher1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123500829#Comment_123500829

Yup. Absolute muppet show. The cogs seem to turn very slowly for ABP and the whole submission - review - decision process in general. And its not like they're run off their feet with a huge volume of housing submissions.

Granted I understand there needs to be some authority to control / review whatever gets submitted but the speed at which this is turning over is ridiculous. Especially considering the circus that is currently the housing crisis. We as a country are not in a position to wait 2 - 3 years for such decisions when there are literally thousands of people queuing to get viewing a handful of newly built houses.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0524/1514738-housing/

Is there no scope for fast tracking this process to some extent?

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123500829#Comment_123500829

At first thought it might seem expedient if the additional information could have been requested by ABP but it would probably result in delaying the development even further.

There's a process that has to be followed to the letter of the law. If ABP stepped outside that process, its decision would be open to challenge by judicial review.

The developers are professionals. They need to do a professional job in preparing and submitting a planning application.

PreCocious

There are plenty of sites with permission granted so the developers could start on those.

You do always have to wonder about applications that are missing standard items - it's not hard to have a checklist of things and it's not as if these are newbies applying for permission for an attic - they're professionals.

fonecrusher1

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41650940.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawK6GzZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETBNakFkbUtteTFlb2k5aHVOAR608odDGMZryqeUg9odHpFJLM9lZdXpy04XPUuBzF_KK2I7lwiQDHbYjxAKxw_aem_8sQu7rib-MlwpBRlwsBmzw

More pie in the sky plans that will never happen … Sure the Prism building is permanently shelved now isn't it?

With work on the site yet to get underway, Independent councillor Kieran McCarthy has said it is “horrific to watch” their apparent deterioration.

They've been 'deteriorating' for decades. 🙄 They only got a bit of attention the minute any interest was shown in developing the port of Cork area a few years ago.

lostinsuperfunk

The Prism is a different site, near the bus station.

The bonded warehouses are in very poor condition, but what's even more disappointing is that the Harbour Commissioners building is now beginning to look run down too.

fonecrusher1

I know its a different site I'm just saying its another tall building development near that area thats been canned. Or put on hold indefinitely or whatever the terminology is.

Big plans, lots of attention from local press … then nothing happens.

DylanQuestion

To be fair, work started on The Prism, but it stalled out and got cancelled following the pandemic. I believe all or most of the basement works are done

whatever76

Douglas St revamp - looks great but be interesting to see the push back

https://consult.corkcity.ie/en/consultation/part-8-planning-notice-mary-street-douglas-street-white-street-public-realm-enhancement-scheme