Cork developments

hans aus dtschl · 06-12-2024 11:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122927440#Comment_122927440

An interesting read. Some bits stood out:

The Distribution Centre would be located in the Mallow area (no site identified) as most of the Port’s customers are located to the North and North West of the catchment

And

Using existing wagons, 9 ft 6 in containers cannot pass through the Cork Rail tunnel but this can be overcome with new rolling stock

This is what I had been saying on here before: I had been told by knowledgeable people in the port that the tunnel at Kent CANNOT take standard euro size containers at present. This makes the recent ABP Marino decision even more sketchy in my eyes. There is no way for Cork to handle rail freight at present. It is not possible.

Markcheese · 06-12-2024 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122928445#Comment_122928445

Fertilizer,and grain for that matter don't travel by shipping container, I assume most of the fert will be bagged in Marino point ,and loaded on pallets or big bags onto flat cars or wagons ,

, and what isn't bagged is bulk , grain and feed are almost all shipped as bulk , so loaded into open top trailers or wagons

Your point still stands about the height limits for the tunnel , and wagons / trucks

But ,if the distribution isn't being done at least partly by rail , then it's a bit pointless, it's just another handling step with no benefit , and lots of cost .

06-12-2024 03:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122928523#Comment_122928523

Fert was bagged and loaded into cage carriages. I used to lift them out at North Esk by forklift through the handles, which would of course rip many bags

Apogee · 06-12-2024 10:38PM

Marina Quarter Ltd. is applying for permission for a Large-Scale Residential Development at the Former Ford Distribution Site, fronting on to Centre Park Road, Ballintemple, Co. Cork.
The site, which is 0.84 hectares in area, is located to the east of the Cork city centre. The 2022 Cork City Development Plan includes the specific zoning objective: ZO 02 New Residential Neighbourhood. This objective is to provide for new residential development in tandem with the provision of the necessary social and physical infrastructure. The proposed development will ensure the provision of a mixed-use development within Cork’s historic Docklands. In line with the objectives of the Cork City Development Plan. The proposed development, which qualifies as a Large-Scale Residential Development (LRD) comprises:
The construction of 176 no. apartment units (comprising a mix of 1, 2 and 3 bed units in 2 no. blocks ranging in height from 7 to 10 storeys over podium level);
A creche facility,
A gym facility,
A retail/café unit;

https://twitter.com/MarinaParkCork/status/1865018361001685044

Apogee · 07-12-2024 12:09PM

Not sure how long we'll be waiting before anything concrete comes of this:

The hugely successful Marina Market in Cork is set to compete for a multi-million state aid package to deliver an event and conference centre in the city.
It has established a team and says it is working with a leading architectural body to oversee an international competition to design a new 5,000-seat conference space, a 100-bed hotel, and a gallery, focused on its south docklands site.
It would attract close to 500,000 people annually and would include and integrate the Marina Market, a spokesman said.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41531603.html

Resubmitted application for student accommodation on Model Farm Road. Previous application was found to be "visually overbearing"

The plans, lodged by Lyonshall Ltd, which was also behind the Nido Ashlin House development on Bandon Rd, are seeking to demolish the old St Joseph’s convent to provide for the construction of a 408-bed, purpose-built student accommodation.
This latest submission differs from the previous plans, which were originally submitted in December 2023, as they initially sought the construction of a 450-bed development, but were refused in June of this year.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41531984.html

Captainsatnav · 07-12-2024 09:37PM

At least as long as Sextant and Prism and...Custom House Quay. These publicity stunts need to be called out for what they are. Ridiculous.

Apogee · 10-12-2024 11:27PM

Good use of derelict property/site.

A social housing project has been approved to infill a small, derelict overgrown site in Cork’s western suburbs, despite some local concerns.
The decisions were taken at Monday’s meeting of Cork City Council where councillors voted 26-1 to approve planning for the four-storey 12-unit apartment scheme on Farranlea Road. Once construction starts, it will take about 16 months to complete, councillors were told. The site, located between Victoria Cross and Dennehy’s Cross, is sandwiched between a council depot to the west and offices to the east. It measures just 0.06 of a hectare and contains a vacant derelict house. The site has been overgrown with vegetation for some time

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41533853.html

the beer revolu · 11-12-2024 11:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944599#Comment_122944599

Good news alright, but did I see in that article that councillors approved planning? What do we have a planning department for if councillors make the decision. Surely, we should have teaind experienced experts making these decisions, not councillors?

Markcheese · 11-12-2024 11:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122945288#Comment_122945288

I didn't read the full article because of the paywall , but did the council approve the scheme ? - ie.the funding, or the planning permission? ( It says above that the council approved planning, but that could be journalists mistake ? ),

Do councilors get to vote on routine planning matters these days ? Would have thought that was a good way to ensure a speedy appeal to the courts .. 😁

Apogee · 11-12-2024 02:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122945288#Comment_122945288

I think it's because this is a Part 8 development

A development carried out by a Local Authority is often referred to as ‘Part 8’ development. This is a reference to Part 8 of the Planning and Development Regulations 2001, as amended, which sets out the procedure for carrying out such developments. Such works would include developments such as the construction of houses, roads, swimming pools, public toilets and more.
What is the procedure for carrying out a Part 8?
Public consultation is a fundamental element of the 'Part 8' planning application process. This consultation procedure requires that notice of the proposed development is given in an approved newspaper and that a site notice is erected on the land on which the proposed development would be situated.
After the expiration of the period during which submissions or observations may be made, a report is presented to the members of the Council. This report contains, amongst other items, a list of the persons or bodies who made submissions, along with a summary of the issues raised by them and the Chief Executive's response. This report recommends whether or not the proposed development should be proceeded with as proposed, or should not be proceeded with.
Following consideration of the Report, the proposed development may be carried out as recommended in the Report, unless the local authority, by resolution, decides to vary or modify the development, otherwise than as recommended in the Report, or decides not to proceed with the development.
https://www.sdcc.ie/en/services/planning/part-8-process/

the beer revolu · 11-12-2024 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122945678#Comment_122945678

Thanks for that.

I strongly believe, though, that politicians should be no where near planning decisions.

blindsider · 11-12-2024 07:24PM

Drove E on the N25 today. Looks like a large structure underway with 2 crane on the AMGEN site in Carrigtwohill - any ideas?

PreCocious · 11-12-2024 07:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946898#Comment_122946898

It has been a while since the IKEA rumour had a run out. Time to resurrect it.

Hibernicis · 11-12-2024 08:31PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41453275.html

This, most likely.

blindsider · 11-12-2024 09:54PM

Thanks Hibernicis - good spot.

An IKEA might have been more interesting…would save me driving to Dublin twice a year :-)

Chris_5339762 · 11-12-2024 10:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122928445#Comment_122928445

Thats very interesting about the Kent Tunnel. In other countries, something would be done, but here nothing will.

I'm always fascinated by that tunnel. It was fantastically forward thinking - nowadays the line would have ended at Kilbarry and that would be that. Those Victorians sure knew how to do it.

TheSunIsShining · 11-12-2024 10:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122947373#Comment_122947373

Background to the 3 alternatives to get the line into the city below. As an aside, Kent Station isn't the original station. The first station opened more onto the quay and was named Penrose Quay Station.

The railway’s approach to the city quaysides was important. The initial route proposed was along the Blackpool valley (northern suburbs) and along the Kiln River. However, it was found that property acquisition was too expensive due to the built up nature of the area. The second route proposed involved a route up the Glen River Valley, one of the rivers that flows into the River Kiln in Blackpool, in what is now the Ballyvolane area. However, the landscape there was found to be too steep. A third alternative was proposed and adopted, that of a tunnel to be bored through a sandstone ridge.

Under William Dargan and Sir John MacNeil, the boring of the tunnel began in 1847 and took seven years to complete. A temporary terminus was built at Kilbarry to accommodate the Dublin-Cork Services. The tunnel had four ventilation shafts; two sunk on either side of what is now Assumption Road, one in Barrackton and the southern most shaft at Bellevue Park. These can still be seen today in the Montenotte –St. Luke’s area, under which the tunnel runs.

Work on boring within the tunnel was slow. On average just over a metre per week was bored through day and night shifts. Work was also was hindered by fatal accidents.

One such accident occurred on the morning of the 13th March 1850 when explosives, which were used to clear rock, were mistimed and the blast killed two people and left many people injured. The two killed were from the heart of Cork’s Blackpool, Michael Driscoll, aged 24 of Broad Lane and John McDonnell, aged 30 From Foster’s Lane. To mark the tragedy, a plaque was erected by Blackpool Historical Society in association with Cork City Council, and located on the North Ring Road.

On 19 July 1854, the tunnel was completely bored through and was opened in 1855.

Mefistofelino · 11-12-2024 11:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122947373#Comment_122947373

The tunnel can handle the standard 8' 6" container height and also handled the ammonia tankers ( which i think were over 4 metres from rail to top) on their way to Arklow.

I don't know if the height restriction referred to above is only in a few locations or requires significant modifications the entire length of the tunnel.

PreCocious · 11-12-2024 11:34PM

Surely the pocket wagons can handle containers ?

https://www.handling-network.com/rail-freight-in-ireland-2/

hans aus dtschl · 12-12-2024 11:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122947673#Comment_122947673

That's exactly the solution mentioned in the report. They said they needed to buy those and trains. You'd imagine at the time of the report, IÉ must not have had any of these at all. So perhaps what was once an issue has now been dealt with (albeit maybe with scarce equipment availability at times)?

PreCocious · 12-12-2024 03:44PM

Looks like they have them but could do with a few more. At least that's more surmountable than having to perform work on the tunnel.

https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/news/demand-for-rail-freight-soars

Markcheese · 12-12-2024 04:37PM

Is there a demand to move shipping.containers ?

12-12-2024 06:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122949578#Comment_122949578

Pfft, we'll get rail containers the day the port moves completely off the line

Timing belt · 12-12-2024 07:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122948391#Comment_122948391

They don’t even have reliable trains at present because that plan was delayed by greens looking for more environmental trains…I suspect that will be the case with everything so instead of having a viable alternative to roads you end up with a unreliable service in the next few years driving everyone onto the roads.