Cork developments

snotboogie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123569775#Comment_123569775

The trees were funded externally by some EU research group who wanted to examine their effectiveness. CCC just signed up for the trial, it didn't work. There was no council or Irish government money spent.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123571563#Comment_123571563

That's not fully the story. While the installation of the trees was funded, the Council paid the maintenance costs for 3 years. This was confirmed already.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41634511.html

the beer revolu

I just find the narrative of constantly criticising absolutely everything the cc does and absolutely everything the cc doesn't do to be extremely tiresome and hackneyed. Old farts on bar stools have been doing it as long as there have been councils. It is invariably uninformed and unhelpful to anyone except the person who likes the sound of their own voice.

It's a wonder these experts don't apply to work for the council or become councillors.

I'm not saying that any government body is beyond criticism, it just gets tiresome when the same people do nothing but criticise. I can't begin to imagine how difficult it is to run a city effectively and no council can please all of the people all the time.

Rant over.

Captainsatnav

We have the most centralised form of government in EU. This is objective face. Cork CC are hamstrung by statute as it suits local TDs to be the ones to be seen 'above in Dublin's shouting for local roads.

Cork CC should be able to raise its own tax revenue and have a directly elected executive that has real powers to get things done.

marno21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123572100#Comment_123572100

Cork had an opportunity for that and said “no we’d rather our decisions made for us in Dublin.”

Limerick said yes and got a visionary for the city in that role in John Moran

Captainsatnav

I know that.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123572103#Comment_123572103

There was a significant disinformation campaign by existing councillors which contributed to that outcome.

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123572100#Comment_123572100

Up the Peoples Republic of Cork! ⭐

the beer revolu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123561483#Comment_123561483

You'll be pleased to hear that this has been refurbished and reopened. Passed it today. I'll be walking past there tomorrow so I'll get a pic.

EnzoScifo

I read an interesting article about electric hydrofoils, comparing them to older diesel ferries. If the technology works I could definitely see the planned ferry network becoming feasible. Higher speeds and less wake (handy for the Tivoli stretch of the river).

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/could-the-electric-hydrofoil-ferry-change-the-way-we-commute/articleshow/122259280.cms Portion of the article. Original article was from New york times behind a paywall

the beer revolu

It looks great.

I genuinely think this whole row is interesting. If the cc decided to do nothing, there would have been no problem but because they decided to upgrade and improve something, they were complained about. It seems they are damned if they do and damned if they don't 🤷

Hibernicis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123611186#Comment_123611186

While it's certainly an improvement on what was there previously, its a bit cheap looking and doesn't appear to be something that will stand up to the inevitable wear and tear and look well after two or three years of inevitable corpo neglect. And still looking head on at the back arse of that rundown corpo car-park.

the beer revolu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123611927#Comment_123611927

That car park is in use. What do you think should be done with it?

hans aus dtschl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123612446#Comment_123612446

Scud missile, preferably. Carpet bombing if necessary. Please include Merchants Quay, while you're taking requests, thanks!

On a serious note, that building is not really the car park is it? The car park is hidden right behind that building. As is a historic piece of the ancient city wall.

Hibernicis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123612446#Comment_123612446

Clean it up or a coat of paint ? Few trees or a bit of greendry ? Some proper landscaping ? Anything to take the grungy look away.

EnzoScifo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123611927#Comment_123611927

The design looks like it is set up for easy maintenance by community art groups etc. A nice, cheaper, passive form of upkeep.

Markcheese

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123610112#Comment_123610112

One of the dramas with a ferry is the boat clubs , I remember seeing a few small skulling boats- rowed by beginners I assume - playing chicken with a container ship pulling out of Tivoli , there was a fair current and the ship needed to be going faster than the current to have any control , don't think the guys rowing even looked around as the pilot leaned on the ships horn ..

Shedite27

Is there a PDF pack of the Cork Commuter rail latest proposal? Can find some info online but hoping to get one pack with all the images/plans. Thanks

https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/about-us/iarnrod-eireann-projects-and-investments/cork-area-commuter-rail

hans aus dtschl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123685411#Comment_123685411

It was on that webpage, since removed, likely since the 6 or so weeks of public consultation ended last week.

https://www.irishrail.ie/getmedia/f82964e7-9777-4993-8082-8962c7ce9213/CACR-Project-Report.pdf might be of some use?

fonecrusher1

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/green-light-irelands-tallest-building-32210897

So a 5 year turn around between the Sextant getting knocked and the initial proposal to breaking ground in September this year …. well supposedly .. (look what happened to the Prism development)

Something seriously wrong with the planning / approval process in this mad little country.

Mefistofelino

Was that Sextant development not approved by the council 12 months ago?

DylanQuestion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123702386#Comment_123702386

Yes. It went through three different planning applications over the last 5 or so years, and each was very quick

fonecrusher1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123702548#Comment_123702548

5 years doesnt seem too quick to me. Especially not in the middle of a housing crisis.

"The Sexatant pub was knocked in 2020 and the site became bogged down in repeated planning changes and failed applications."

So it was JCD Developments changing plans which then had to get resubmitted for approval?

Mefistofelino

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123703218#Comment_123703218

IIRC, the original planning was for the site to be used for office accommodation. JCD then stated that they had been contacted by their office space clients flagging that availability of more office space wasn't an issue - accommodation for employees was, and so the design was changed to apartments which was a new design and new submission.

Any delay since approval was given in 2024 is due to JCD, rather than the planning approval process.

DylanQuestion

Yeah, it’s been 5 years since the original application. But just saying it’s been a long time ignores a lot of context.

Around late 2019, JCD applied for an apartment building on the site of the Sextant. This involved the demolition of the Sextant pub on the corner of Albert Street, and the retention of Carey House and the former Albert Quay carriage sheds. While the block (bounded by Albert Quay, Albert Street, Albert Road and Victoria Road) is an Architectural Conversation Area, only the Carriage Sheds and Carey House are protected structures (as well as two post boxes). Therefore, to make the site usable, The Sextant was demolished. After planning was granted by ABP, site works began with the demolition of The Sextant. There were NO conditions that The Sextant only be demolished if the exact plan applied for and granted was completed. This is an unrealistic condition anyway (what if half way through the company went bust?). After a consultant review, it was deemed the rents needed to be charged to make the apartment building viable were too high (I believe around €3,500 per month). Therefore, around 2021/2022, JCD reapplied to convert the tower into an office building. This thankfully was never built. It’s uglier and shorter. It likely wasn’t built due to the lack of demand for offices following the pandemic. Since then, the government has set up a number of schemes to support the funding of residential developments that aren’t viable. JCD partnered with Cork City Council and Respond to avail of this scheme to make the apartment development viable. Changes were required, which were applied for and granted under Part 8 Planning, to allow for viability issues to be sorted. The payments are now a mix of majority cost rental, with around 99 social housing units also planned. This received planning permission some months ago. Now, the government has confirmed funding is in place. A contractor is also in place and construction will start in September

Captainsatnav

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123703448#Comment_123703448

2 years , if done in that time, will be good going too imho

jimbob955

perhaps I am wrong posting here, apologies if i am!

A cork city development from tramore valley park to the viaduct is the cork to kinsale greenway.
A cork county council development is to go from viaduct to kinsale.

there was a meeting in ballinhassig last night that I attended regarding the proposed kinsale to cork greenway. The absolute hysteria and negativity and mistrust that was being said was mad. I was genuinely too afraid to say I was in support of the greenway I would have been run of the place. Please, if you have 5 mins today can you send an email of support to:

corkkinsalegreenway@corkrdo.ie

info@tii.ie

cork@arup.com

And the website is here: where you can log ur actual submission

https://corkkinsalegreenway.ie

In the above I imagine the vast majority of submissions and emails are anti greenway and negative! Maybe some positive words can help also.

I honestly think this greenway would be so amazing for cork city and the rural areas to kinsale .

Please help. The anti greenway social media hype has gone up a notch the last few days, so any support would be great!

the beer revolu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123765893#Comment_123765893

What's the gist of the objections?

DylanQuestion

The group against the greenway are posting AI generated photos of sad animals in cleared forests. Also CPOing of land is an issue for them

jimbob955

I know anything involving land and farms is an emotive subject, snd anything that impacts the elderly as well.
But some of the stuff on their Facebook pages is outlandish, greenways cause crime, stress cows and houses will be knocked to build a greenway!!! Can anyone see the big picture snd the benefits for future generations!