This is how you end up with a new Knocknaheeny or school runs blocking roads. It's bad planning. That road cannot be realigned either once it gets surrounded by housing estates
Not having new roads and schools isn't a reason to stop building houses. Builders/Developers can help the housing crisis by building houses. Government need to step up with the second part.
It is a disaster as we have a long long track record in this country of building houses and then failing to put in place the transport and social infrastructure to support it. I moved into my house in 2005 when new road infrastructure and new schools to support the population were promised. 17 years later the roads haven't been completed and the schools are "progressing" while the existing schools are at bursting point.
It's the AHB's rather than the Councils that are bulk buying at the moment but point still stands. You'd wonder is the balance out of kilter at the moment with too much social housing and not enough private for sale?
At the moment councils are driving up costs by block buying "for sale" developments.
Any increase in stock will loosen demands on the purchase market
I think Lancaster Gate is affordable not social but ya I get your point. Not much being done for the middle of the market, especially in apartments.
The Camden Quay hotel is set to open in Autumn 2023 so should be starting construction very soon. I know people hate new hotels but unlike Dublin we still have a shortage, only two opened in the city in the last 10 years I think and I like this design
https://3ddesignbureau.com/news/194-bed-hotel-in-plans-at-corks-camden-quay/
And drive up the base cost of each apartment if they ever get built...
They will help alleviate demand but a good chunk of the list are build to rent (Horgans Quay) or social housing (St Kevins & Lancaster Gate) and anything that comes up for private sale will be €350k+ so not exactly fantastic news especially when any new apt will most likely be €1600-2000 per month to rent
Cheers for the list. Great to see something's happening on the residential side, even if it's just smaller numbers for now. A lot more to come hopefully with the bigger developments: Horgan's Quay (~300), CMP site (706), Marina Quarter (~1,100), Tedcastles site (2,350), and the OCP proposal (160 to start but up to 2,000 in total)
Cool - good to know things are moving ( but at what cost ) ..
I always thought black ash should be a transport hub as well as a park and ride , ( so bike parking as well as car parking , a way for any coaches on the south link to pick up and drop off , and any local buses stopping as well ...
Which would suit high density schemes like CMP one , .
Ya there are actually a good few underway at the moment, the big two are Lancaster Quay with 88 apartments and Thomas David Street with 112 apartments. Lots of smaller schemes underway around the city too; Wallace Court, Nancy Spain, Boherboy, Glenaar Bar, Sunview, Evergreen St and Denroches Cross. Then there is St Kevins which is not under construction but has site works ongoing, that’s a monster development in Cork terms with over 200 apartments. So even if you exclude St Kevins, there are about 350 apartments under construction in the city now. Every one of those projects is at least partially publicly funded though, there are no private developments under construction. Also this really only started in the second half of last year, apartment completions from Q1 2019 though to Q3 2021 are less than 300 total.
Ultimately there needs to be a public private partnership for the vast majority of these proposals, with a few notable exceptions like Horgan Quay, which may be able to pull in financing from international funds for BTR.
Are there any large apartment developments ( other than student ones ) underway in the city ? If it's not economic to build apartments then it's just gonna be flipped -
The average home price in the South of the city is about 340K. If these apartments are about that price, the overall revenue from the site would be >240 million. So yeah, I'd guess if this were to be approved it'd massively inflate the site value.
You’d imagine it wouldn’t be that difficult, I’d say the big concern would be policing anti social activity in a tunnel. It needs to be done with or without the apartments in my opinion.
I would say the chance of a land flip are very high.
Wonder if Woodie's will be allowed to continually block that road, with their deliveries, afterwards?
Echo reporting build-to-rent 114 apartment development in Blackpool given OK by ABP:
Not sure. I think originally it was planned to start in Feb. 2020 and construction (but not outfitting etc.) be complete by the end of 2021. So the total period of around 22 months, Oct/Nov next year?
They do seem to be doing hell for leather at the moment, so perhaps with the late start they're accelerating the construction. There's work going on almost 24 hours a day at the moment.
There is, Snotboogie - good memory! https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30868835.html
"The full opening of a massive public park on the site of Cork’s former city dump is at least a year down the line, following confirmation it could cost at least €6m to provide “full and safe access” to the site."
AND
"However, health and safety concerns about access have presented large-scale events from taking place. Various options have been considered, including the construction of an overpass and the widening an existing underground tunnel which links the Black Ash park-and-ride facility to the park."
I wonder how much it would cost (and how long it would take) to widen the tunnel?
And that's getting a bit away from the idea of 700 apartments on a narrow, gridlocked road.
What are the chances they'll just flip the site if they do get PP anywaqy?
Anyone know the ETA on completion of this?
So residents in the new development will follow the (non-existent) yellow route to access the park, to the bridge in blue? Really?
Excuse the crude drawing - I didn't do art in school...but you get the idea...!
The bridge location may not be 100% accurate - it's a guide only.
once the new bridge that will connect grange to the park is built they will have access via that
They’d have to add pedestrian access to TVP from that side if it was built. I’m pretty sure it’s in the plan for TVP and there may actually be a tunnel in place already?
Wow! 15 storey blocks - 8 -9 of them...?
3 major issues for me:
That road gets gridlocked by McDonald's Drive-thru (in spite of planning conditions etc), Smiths, Woodies and general traffic anyway...several times a day! Lots of HGV traffic from Musgraves and in/out of the units in the retail park - adding that no. of apartments will only generate more traffic, even if they provide minimal car parking.
They seem to imply that they will be able to get parking access in Black Ash...doens't matter if it's under capacity (COVID?) it's a Park/Ride facility, not a private car park.
They mention Tramore Valley Park as being in proximity - but fail to mention that it's vehicular acces only to TVP - esp, from that side. That's really misleading IMO!!
Not that I know of. There was a mock-up a few months back alright, but it could have been very speculative. There's a more recent screengrab on this thread which just gives a very rough idea of the relative block heights and the scale of the development but says nothing about the building design or materials.
Rough outline floating around of the Tedcastle site proposals too - 10 buildings of 10+ floors, and 3 towers 20 or taller (20, 25 and 33).
Sure is. Very impressive density for a large suburban infill site.
I think this may be the CMP/Watfore (Dairygold subsidiary) aka Creamfields development?
Source: https://consult.corkcity.ie/ga/system/files/materials/5184/6042/Submission%20to%20inform%20the%20draft%20Plan%20Creamfields%2004102021.pdf
I suppose there's no residential neighbours to directly piss off , , big warehouse and distribution centre on 2 sides , stadium across the road ,retail park across other side - higher buildings set a precedent for future site values for any commercial property there ..
The wording of that sounds a bit overdramatic. These are two of the biggest developments in the city, it'd be far more surprising if they sailed through without comment.
I'm fascinated by the CMP proposal in particular. For reference, the Elysian has 211 apartments, and that's a huge 8 and 17 floor building that spans an entire block. The CMP proposal is over three times the size; so that's about 235 apartments per hectare - assuming it's the entire existing site. I wonder how high they'll need to go.
ABP looking for changes on Tedcastles and CMP sites
Irish Examiner Two unrelated apartment plans in Cork city have been hit by setbacks. Both schemes were the subject of consultation with An Bord Pleanála, which is a standard aspect of the strategic housing development (SHD) scheme. In both cases, the board has advised the developer that the project “requires further consideration/ amendment”.
The decisions are non-binding.
The first was issued to Watfore Ltd, which was consulting about the development of 706 apartments on the former CMP Dairy Site and Creamfields on Tramore Road and Kinsale, Co Cork. The second was issued to Tiznow Property Company Limited, which was consulting about the development of 1,030 apartments at the former Tedcastles site on Centre Park Road in Cork.
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