The Reseeding/Stitching Discussion Thread.

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Dunedin wrote: »

How many bags to acre with vicon? The biggest cost might be the seed itself so if you are using too much seed with the vicon, it’s a false economy over precision sowing which would be a bag to the acre.

Maybe I’m off the mark here and would welcome views from more experienced sowers than myself

You have to start somewhere though if you want to start at all.
The poster is cutting back the settings from what I used just to get a feel for it and so he won't run out of grass seed.
He can always go back over it if has seed left.
Tbh with these new grass varieties they don't tiller very well and an acre bag doesn't do an acre anymore.
More is better than less it won't be wasted anyway.

Say my name

It might be hard to make out the tracks from sowing yesterday.
Scene today from finishing up rolling.
Then spread fert after.

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Don't know why I can't load up the 2nd picture.
I'll try the old fashioned way.

GrasstoMilk

What didn't you till the fert in?

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GrasstoMilk wrote: »

What didn't you till the fert in?

Simple answer.
I thought I'd confuse myself with the tracks from sowing and two fields are narrow enough without driving across the tracks.
The tyres on the tractor are gone worn enough anyway so it's nearly a roller in itself.
I'd normally fert and then roll to finish.

Sami23

Dunedin wrote: »

How many bags to acre with vicon? The biggest cost might be the seed itself so if you are using too much seed with the vicon, it’s a false economy over precision sowing which would be a bag to the acre.

Maybe I’m off the mark here and would welcome views from more experienced sowers than myself

The cost of a bag of seed is the same price as to get someone in to sow it per acre so id prefer to buy an extra bag of seed and take my chances

Sami23

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

What didn't you till the fert in?

Looking for opinions on this as I intend to spread fertiliser on top also and roll. I thought it be best to spread on top and let it get washed down but are you saying you would spread fert and disc in and then shake grass seed and roll.

It's great to get advice and hear people's experience on here

Sami23

Well what ya think, fertiliser first and til in or fertiliser last after seed is spread ?

Reggie.

Sami23 wrote: »

Well what ya think, fertiliser first and til in or fertiliser last after seed is spread ?

It's really preferences of the farmer. I prefer to till it in as it wont get washed away. That idea may be wrong but it makes me feel better

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Sami23 wrote: »

Well what ya think, fertiliser first and til in or fertiliser last after seed is spread ?

Fertiliser last would be my preference.
It's closer to the seed that way and then roll the whole lot in.

I've never had a reseed fail yet.
(Touchwood).

Mooooo

We put out fert just before seed is set and roll after

lab man

Over seeded the other day any thoughts on this mixture?
aspect 50%
Solas25%
Xenon20%
Coolfin 3.5%
Buddy 0.75%
Avoca 0.75%
I haven't used this seed before thanks, lab man

GrasstoMilk

lab man wrote: »

Over seeded the other day any thoughts on this mixture?
aspect 50%
Solas25%
Xenon20%
Coolfin 3.5%
Buddy 0.75%
Avoca 0.75%
I haven't used this seed before thanks, lab man

DLF coated seed?
overseeded 30 acres with 10 kgs per acre of aberclyed on the 1st days of may. Took this on Friday, looks to have gotten a great take. A very aggressive growing tetraploid is best for overseeding

MF290

Say my name wrote: »

The ONLY thing I like about the wagtail over other seeders is the randomness of the falling seed.

Contractor has sown grass with the one pass here the last few years, leaves the grass in rows too far apart.

Reggie.

MF290 wrote: »

Contractor has sown grass with the one pass here the last few years, leaves the grass in rows too far apart.

Ya need an airseeder

Reggie.

cathal irwin wrote: »

That’s a good point Reggie I might wait for some regrowth before spraying

What did ya end up doing?

charolais0153

Will ploughing relieve compaction on its own ?

Reggie.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Will ploughing relieve compaction on its own ?

Depends how deep ya go I suppose. Most people use it to level ground

lab man

GrasstoMilk wrote:

DLF coated seed? overseeded 30 acres with 10 kgs per acre of aberclyed on the 1st days of may. Took this on Friday, looks to have gotten a great take. A very aggressive growing tetraploid is best for overseeding

GrasstoMilk wrote:

DLF coated seed? overseeded 30 acres with 10 kgs per acre of aberclyed on the 1st days of may. Took this on Friday, looks to have gotten a great take. A very aggressive growing tetraploid is best for overseeding

Yes dlf coated seed ? I gave it a coat of slurry on the merchants say so?

GrasstoMilk

lab man wrote: »

Yes dlf coated seed ? I gave it a coat of slurry on the merchants say so?

It'll certainly work but It's a bit of a con job tbh, there's only about 5/6kgs of actual grass seed in those bags. The rest is fillers. I was able to sue 10kgs of actual grass per acre for the same price as this stuff and I'll get as good a take if not better.
Keep the cover below 1000 for the first two months and it'll take off then

yosemitesam1

charolais0153 wrote: »

Will ploughing relieve compaction on its own ?

Ploughing destroys soil structure

Reggie.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

It'll certainly work but It's a bit of a con job tbh, there's only about 5/6kgs of actual grass seed in those bags. The rest is fillers. I was able to sue 10kgs of actual grass per acre for the same price as this stuff and I'll get as good a take if not better.
Keep the cover below 1000 for the first two months and it'll take off then

Ah it's not that low. More like 8kg of grass seed in a 10kg bag but over all you get about the same strike from each. You get a little more % from the coated seed as it's protected so overall not much difference even tho there's more in a bag of uncoated

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mod note: I've merged the reseeding thread and the stitching in thread, I hope I wasn't the only one getting dizzy from going back and forth:P
Fire away.


Buford T.Justice

Markcheese

charolais0153 wrote: »

Will ploughing relieve compaction on its own ?

Kinda depends what you mean, a sub spoiler or chisel plough would make a good job of loosening up the soil..... But you'd want really good dry ground...
I suppose first question is why is it compacted?
And how much ground do you have to do..

st1979

yosemitesam1 wrote:

Ploughing destroys soil structure

I got marly soil and if you plough a wet field it will become the driest land for many years. I know it may not be the same for others but ploughing often fixes the structure for me.
It probably indicates shallow compaction. And the plough breaks this up.

Teddy 1234

If I spread granulated lime tomorrow, could I set grass seed the same day?

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Teddy 1234 wrote: »

If I spread granulated lime tomorrow, could I set grass seed the same day?

Yes.

Reggie.

Teddy 1234 wrote: »

If I spread granulated lime tomorrow, could I set grass seed the same day?

Won't cause it any harm

Sami23

At what stage or how long after sowing will a reseed fail without rain ?
Sowed 2 weeks now and no rain and there are certain areas with weeds covering the ground.
Praying for rain now but no sign

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Sami23 wrote: »

At what stage or how long after sowing will a reseed fail without rain ?
Sowed 2 weeks now and no rain and there are certain areas with weeds covering the ground.
Praying for rain now but no sign

I'm in the same situation as yourself.
Except it's bare ground with no weeds.

I may have to sow again. The seed is growing away in damp spots under trees but out in the open it's poor to non existent. I just hadn't enough soil cover over the seeds.

You'd imagine if it was damp enough for weeds it's damp enough for the grass seed.
I had a reseed like that before covered in weeds. Mostly chickweed and a topping with the topper allowed the grass come through.

Sami23

Say my name wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

At what stage or how long after sowing will a reseed fail without rain ?
Sowed 2 weeks now and no rain and there are certain areas with weeds covering the ground.
Praying for rain now but no sign

I'm in the same situation as yourself.
Except it's bare ground with no weeds.

I may have to sow again. The seed is growing away in damp spots under trees but out in the open it's poor to non existent. I just hadn't enough soil cover over the seeds.

You'd imagine if it was damp enough for weeds it's damp enough for the grass seed.
I had a reseed like that before covered in weeds. Mostly chickweed and a topping with the topper allowed the grass come through.

Mine was burnt off and bare when I sowed it too and was just clay but spots now are like a carpet why weeds, presume it's chickweed. Small green weed with at least 4 leaves.
Even if it got rain now would the grass come through the weeds I wonder ?

Sami23

Say my name wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

At what stage or how long after sowing will a reseed fail without rain ?
Sowed 2 weeks now and no rain and there are certain areas with weeds covering the ground.
Praying for rain now but no sign

I'm in the same situation as yourself.
Except it's bare ground with no weeds.

I may have to sow again. The seed is growing away in damp spots under trees but out in the open it's poor to non existent. I just hadn't enough soil cover over the seeds.

You'd imagine if it was damp enough for weeds it's damp enough for the grass seed.
I had a reseed like that before covered in weeds. Mostly chickweed and a topping with the topper allowed the grass come through.

Mine was burnt off and bare when I sowed it too and was just clay but spots now are like a carpet why weeds, presume it's chickweed. Small green weed with at least 4 leaves.
Even if it got rain now would the grass come through the weeds I wonder ?

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Sami23 wrote: »

Mine was burnt off and bare when I sowed it too and was just clay but spots now are like a carpet why weeds, presume it's chickweed. Small green weed with at least 4 leaves.
Even if it got rain now would the grass come through the weeds I wonder ?

If it's smothered with chickweed or whatever (sounds like chickweed) the grass won't get through.
Like all plants grass needs sunlight.
Have a rummage and see if there's any seedlings growing underneath.

GrasstoMilk

Had some spare fert in the spinner today so I put it out on the reseed we did. It's well struck at this stage but could do with more rain. In 3 weeks on Thursday

Reggie.

Most dangerous time for a reseed is if the seed germinates and then gets starved of moisture. It will kill off the seedling

charolais0153

Reggie. wrote: »

Most dangerous time for a reseed is if the seed germinates and then gets starved of moisture. It will kill off the seedling

Seeding in august is much safer in this reagard imo

Reggie.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Seeding in august is much safer in this reagard imo

Always a better chance of moisture but frost is another danger at this stage too

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charolais0153 wrote: »

Seeding in august is much safer in this reagard imo

Don't worry, you can get grass burning up in August too. In fact it's more likely in August than May in this country.

This spell like our winter gone and the autumn before and actually since the start of last year is highly unusual.
There's just been no kindness at all to the weather. It's one extreme to the next.

It's more akin to weather that Holland and Belgium are used to instead of Ireland.

Whatever the cause - - a Sun phase, man made climate change, the gulf stream slowing down, magnetic anomalies in the earth moving.
Something has changed. It's not the same climate that we had these last few decades.
Build your doomsday bunker now. :pac:

Sami23

I'd say my reseed is f#*ked at this stage. Got no rain and alot of weeds all over it now. Probably looking at full reseed again unfortunately

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sami23 wrote: »

I'd say my reseed is f#*ked at this stage. Got no rain and alot of weeds all over it now. Probably looking at full reseed again unfortunately

I was at a farm walk yesterday on an organic farm and it looked to me like they were looking for a huge crop of redshank in a grass reseed. Well, redshank and scutch.


It's mad, Ted.

Reggie.

Sami23 wrote: »

I'd say my reseed is f#*ked at this stage. Got no rain and alot of weeds all over it now. Probably looking at full reseed again unfortunately

Spray off and stitch in. Be a cheaper option

Sami23

Reggie. wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

I'd say my reseed is f#*ked at this stage. Got no rain and alot of weeds all over it now. Probably looking at full reseed again unfortunately

Spray off and stitch in. Be a cheaper option

Well I'm gonna wait till it gets rain and see what happens and then probably burn off alright  

Reggie.

Sami23 wrote: »

Well I'm gonna wait till it gets rain and see what happens and then probably burn off alright  

Your not the only one in that boat I bet

Muckit

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I was at a farm walk yesterday on an organic farm .....a huge crop of redshank in a grass reseed.

I wouldn't worry about a weed like that. If u could get a look at it next year, it could be a different story.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Muckit wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about a weed like that. If u could get a look at it next year, it could be a different story.

Not very confident, Muckit.

visatorro

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

Not very confident, Muckit.

Not great looking, I'm getting worried about mine sown last Friday.

Mooooo

Wait for rain if grass hasn't germinated, if it has germinated it is prob at more risk

Reggie.

Mooooo wrote: »

Wait for rain if grass hasn't germinated, if it has germinated it is prob at more risk

Correct and right

MeTheMan

Forgive my ignorance but, can you not fill a sprayer with water and make it rain yourself?

Reggie.

MeTheMan wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance but, can you not fill a sprayer with water and make it rain yourself?

In fairness you'd be spraying all day. You'd be surprised what galls in a 10 min shower