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So Patrick street is bus only from Thursday 9th August

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    #2042
    namloc1980
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    Harika wrote: »
    Let's say you want to go from blarney to a doctor in the atlantia clinic. Now you have to endure 32 stops. With this concept you go to the shopping centre first and then take a bus to the clinic with two stops. That should shorten the journey time massively.
    Same concept as airlines use hubs to collect and distribute people.

    Basically you want a bus service that suits individual people's journeys. "I want a bus to take me straight to the doctor's with no stops. I want a bus to take me to the train station with no stops." Completely bonkers and impractical idea.


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    #2043
    Harika
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Basically you want a bus service that suits individual people's journeys. "I want a bus to take me straight to the doctor's with no stops. I want a bus to take me to the train station with no stops." Completely bonkers and impractical idea.

    No you get me wrong, that would be stupid.
    The idea is to connect hubs where there is a lot of traffic between directly and distribute the traffic from there further to shorten journey times.


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    #2044
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Basically you want a bus service that suits individual people's journeys. "I want a bus to take me straight to the doctor's with no stops. I want a bus to take me to the train station with no stops." Completely bonkers and impractical idea.

    https://transportnsw.info/travel-info/ways-to-get-around/on-demand-public-transport

    Something like this perhaps?

    Douglas would be an ideal 'hub'. Especially for the 216 and 223 which are continuously late or simply don't show up. But they'd need to introduce timed tickets/integrated tickets for transfers.


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    #2045
    namloc1980
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    Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »
    https://transportnsw.info/travel-info/ways-to-get-around/on-demand-public-transport

    Something like this perhaps?

    Douglas would be an ideal 'hub'. Especially for the 216 and 223 which are continuously late or simply don't show up. But they'd need to introduce timed tickets/integrated tickets for transfers.

    Parts of that initiative were cancelled after a month. 30 users in one area in a whole month.

    Douglas would be an ideal hub and I believe that is what BusConnects will look to put in place. My issue is with point to point bus services. Can't see a massive demand for a point to point service from Mahon to Blackpool as was suggested. Plus the amount of additional buses you'd need would make it highly costly.


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    #2046
    richiepurgas
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    Harika wrote: »
    Let's say you want to go from blarney to a doctor in the atlantia clinic. Now you have to endure 32 stops. With this concept you go to the shopping centre first and then take a bus to the clinic with two stops. That should shorten the journey time massively.
    Same concept as airlines use hubs to collect and distribute people.

    Company would be bankrupt in days.


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    #2047
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Is "after-work drinks" a good or bad thing?
    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Benny-McCabe-Pana-ban-boosting-after-work-pub-culture-1183d859-bd23-49c8-bfc5-56d89dde26a2-ds

    No figures provided by either person, but I assume that they are making the statements cause they are seeing more people in the bars.
    Obviously good that people are out and enjoying themselves, but it might also be encouraging some to drink a little more than they should (there was a few people I know whose work suffered from the after works drink culture, i.e. did it too often).

    Interesting to see how things develop. Maybe other trade are also seeing a jump in business.


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    #2048
    Mardyke
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    I'm sure people can look after themselves! Young professionals socialising after work is normal fair for large cities. It's a sign that Cork is again moving with the times, despite some people referring that things stay the way they used to be!


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    #2049
    Frostybrew
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Is "after-work drinks" a good or bad thing?
    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Benny-McCabe-Pana-ban-boosting-after-work-pub-culture-1183d859-bd23-49c8-bfc5-56d89dde26a2-ds

    No figures provided by either person, but I assume that they are making the statements cause they are seeing more people in the bars.
    Obviously good that people are out and enjoying themselves, but it might also be encouraging some to drink a little more than they should (there was a few people I know whose work suffered from the after works drink culture, i.e. did it too often).

    Interesting to see how things develop. Maybe other trade are also seeing a jump in business.

    Interesting, so the car ban is to blame for alcoholism now?


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    #2050
    EnzoScifo
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    Frostybrew wrote: »
    Interesting, so the car ban is to blame for alcoholism now?

    This thread has driven me to drink at times :pac:


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    #2051
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    EnzoScifo wrote: »
    This thread has driven me to drink at times :pac:
    I didn't see Frostybrew's reply until you quoted him. Nice to see that the reason I added him to my ignore list (totally misquoting people and basically lying) remains valid.


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    #2052
    Frostybrew
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    I didn't see Frostybrew's reply until you quoted him. Nice to see that the reason I added him to my ignore list (totally misquoting people and basically lying) remains valid.

    Sorry to hear you're running off with your tail between your legs. About the article you've linked above. What you've decided not to mention is the people interviewed in the article have actually noticed a trend towards a more healthy relationship with alcohol; in that their customers are binge drinking less at the weekends, and choosing instead to have a few drinks with a meal after work on a regular basis, which is considered a far healthier way of consuming alcohol.

    Yet when the article is mentioned in the thread you imply that a negative trend is taking place, subtly giving any reader of the thread another negative association with the so called "car ban". I'm not sure if you are aware of the following (though I suspect it's a deliberate passive aggressive technique on your part), but you have a habit of implying an idea in your posts without explicitly stating that idea. Then when another poster calls BS on the idea you've implied, you can conveniently hide behind the fact that you've never explicitly stated that idea, and then go on to call the poster a 'liar' or having a 'rant'; which undermines the other poster's counter argument.

    We understand that you have a very negative bias against public transport and I hope that this will not frustrate you in the future. While you can run away from a discussion on an online forum there's no running away from the fact that the 'car ban' is the first in a long list of measures to prioritise public transport in the greater Cork area. This will be outlined shortly with the publication of CMATS. I personally believe that this new direction will lead to a vast improvement in the quality of life of the Cork city area's citizens, and wholeheartedly welcome these improvements.

    And I wish you all the best.


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    #2053
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    Walking Patrick St earlier this evening and witnessed at least 20 cars in each direction using the street and no sign of any Gardai around. It's only a 3.5 hour window - surely they could ensure they've a presence there each day, to ensure compliance?


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    #2054
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »
    Walking Patrick St earlier this evening and witnessed at least 20 cars in each direction using the street and no sign of any Gardai around. It's only a 3.5 hour window - surely they could ensure they've a presence there each day, to ensure compliance?

    The concensus here is that one garda on the city's main street for 3.5 hours is an unreasonable waste of garda resources.


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    #2055
    Magnatu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭Magnatu


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    The concensus here is that one garda on the city's main street for 3.5 hours is an unreasonable waste of garda resources.

    It has nothing to do with resources. Not unusual to see have a dozen guards on the street ignoring lawbreakers.
    A deliberate conscious decision was taken last August that the signage would be minimal and unobtrusive and the ban would not be enforced..
    To all intents and purposes the ban has been abonded.


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    #2056
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    Magnatu wrote: »
    It has nothing to do with resources. Not unusual to see have a dozen guards on the street ignoring lawbreakers.
    A deliberate conscious decision was taken last August that the signage would be minimal and unobtrusive and the ban would not be enforced..
    To all intents and purposes the ban has been abonded.

    Why not have signs up advertising cameras in operation, and offenders will be sent tickets in the post? At least TRY and enforce it FFS.


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    #2057
    Magnatu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭Magnatu


    Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »
    Why not have signs up advertising cameras in operation, and offenders will be sent tickets in the post? At least TRY and enforce it FFS.

    Your missing the point. It's not about the practicalities. They don't want it to be complied with.


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    #2058
    D'Agger
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    Magnatu wrote: »
    Your missing the point. It's not about the practicalities. They don't want it to be complied with.
    The Gardaí?

    I think it's a bit of a shame that we don't see more guards walking the streets in Cork in general - honestly never see them walking around, the odd car is about it. I know the counter argument is they're under pressure as it is, but you see it in most other cities you'd visit.


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    #2059
    the beer revolu
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    Magnatu wrote: »
    It has nothing to do with resources. Not unusual to see have a dozen guards on the street ignoring lawbreakers.
    A deliberate conscious decision was taken last August that the signage would be minimal and unobtrusive and the ban would not be enforced..
    To all intents and purposes the ban has been abonded.

    Oh, oh. Here we go again.
    I think you may have made that point - about two dozen times with no further information or evidence than the first time.


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    #2060
    Cork Boy 53
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    the beer revolu wrote: »
    Oh, oh. Here we go again.
    I think you may have made that point - about two dozen times with no further information or evidence than the first time.

    This poster has also stated several times that the CBA are issuing directives to the Gardai which they are obliged to comply with and when challenged to provide evidence of this claim has not bothered to respond.


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    #2061
    richiepurgas
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭richiepurgas


    Guards seem to have given up on implementing the ban judging by Patrick street this afternoon.


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    #2062
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    richiepurgas wrote: »
    Guards seem to have given up on implementing the ban judging by Patrick street this afternoon.
    Are the council paying for the Gardai resources (as done by the GAA/ Rugby during sporting events)?
    If they are, then they aren’t getting the resources they paid for.
    If not, then they have failed to implement the ban they brought in (which should be implemented by bollards).


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    #2063
    timmyjimmy
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Are the council paying for the Gardai resources (as done by the GAA/ Rugby during sporting events)?
    If they are, then they aren’t getting the resources they paid for.
    If not, then they have failed to implement the ban they brought in (which should be implemented by bollards).

    Tell me how bollards would work when buses still have to drive down patrick street during the ban time?


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    #2064
    D'Agger
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    timmyjimmy wrote: »
    Tell me how bollards would work when buses still have to drive down patrick street during the ban time?
    Give the bus drivers zappers to put them down and back up again sure :D


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    #2065
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    timmyjimmy wrote: »
    Tell me how bollards would work when buses still have to drive down patrick street during the ban time?
    The same way they do on Oliver Plunket Street, and streets all over the World.


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    #2066
    flexcon
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    I am unsure how to validate what I was told during the week but

    Those bollards that are currently
    open allowing traffic into oliver plunkett street after the ban are broken.
    And the council are not willing or contesting the costs of this.

    Just word of mouth from someone in that area but just mentioning it for conversation.


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    #2067
    timmyjimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭timmyjimmy


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    The same way they do on Oliver Plunket Street, and streets all over the World.

    So the idea is that bollard goes up and down before/after every time a bus passes over it? Bollards work to "close' streets, don't really see how this would work with the volume of buses going up and down Patrick st. The bollard would be up and down like a yoyo. Some driver is definitely going to going to get caught with the bollard moving up as they are driving over it.


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    #2068
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    timmyjimmy wrote: »
    So the idea is that bollard goes up and down before/after every time a bus passes over it?
    Yes, that's how it works around the World.
    timmyjimmy wrote: »
    Some driver is definitely going to going to get caught with the bollard moving up as they are driving over it.
    Then they shouldn't be driving a bus.


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    #2069
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    Why would they need bollards?

    Just install cameras to read license plates and send automatic fines in the post to any offenders. Have massive signs stating such also.

    Or.... You know... Just have the Gardai actually doing their jobs and police it strongly.


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    #2070
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »
    Why would they need bollards?

    Just install cameras to read license plates and send automatic fines in the post to any offenders. Have massive signs stating such also.
    I believe there is currently an issue with having the cameras, think it was stated earlier in the thread.
    Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »
    Or.... You know... Just have the Gardai actually doing their jobs and police it strongly.
    Is it their job to enforce this ban? Obviously they should penalized people breaking the law, but do we really need to waste at least 25hrs of Gardai resources a week on this?
    We don't have Gardai at every set of traffic lights, t-junction, level crossing, roundabout.....
    This shouldn't require Gardai to baby sit a street had it been implemented correctly.


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    #2071
    TheChizler
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    timmyjimmy wrote: »
    So the idea is that bollard goes up and down before/after every time a bus passes over it? Bollards work to "close' streets, don't really see how this would work with the volume of buses going up and down Patrick st. The bollard would be up and down like a yoyo. Some driver is definitely going to going to get caught with the bollard moving up as they are driving over it.
    I'd find that very amusing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyihogeiyH0


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