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Is someone within their rights to move you out of a prebooked seat?

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    #242
    irelandrover
    Registered Users Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    IR's own regulations say - booking a seat means you need to be there 20 minutes before the off. If you're not, your seat is fair game.

    Don't they say you have to be available for boarding, not that you actually have to board?


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    #243
    shutup
    Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭shutup


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    IR's own regulations say - booking a seat means you need to be there 20 minutes before the off. If you're not, your seat is fair game.

    Horrible attitude to have. There are lots of ways in life to get one up on somebody using grey area technicalities, but in doing so you’re a prick.
    If you you a decent person you would get out of somebody else’s seat.


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    #244
    Jack Kanoff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭Jack Kanoff


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    IR's own regulations say - booking a seat means you need to be there 20 minutes before the off. If you're not, your seat is fair game.

    Not on the train...


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    #245
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,600 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    shutup wrote: »
    Horrible attitude to have. There are lots of ways in life to get one up on somebody using grey area technicalities, but in doing so you’re a prick.

    Posts like this are not acceptable here - play the ball and not the man.

    - Moderator


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    #246
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Jack Kanoff wrote: »
    Not on the train...

    That's just what the guys at Heuston told me.

    For the record I'd never sit in a prebooked seat - that isn't the issue. But if you've paid for a seat and IR decide only to put up the reservations over the seat minutes before the off - or even worse, not put them up at all, then it is unfair on passengers who may end up having to stand.


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    #247
    Jack Kanoff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭Jack Kanoff


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    That's just what the guys at Heuston told me.

    For the record I'd never sit in a prebooked seat - that isn't the issue. But if you've paid for a seat and IR decide only to put up the reservations over the seat minutes before the off - or even worse, not put them up at all, then it is unfair on passengers who may end up having to stand.

    The train will not always be open to board 20 mins before time, some stations open gates less than 10 mins before departure...you're to be available to board 20 mins before departure.


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    #248
    PeterParker957
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    Jack Kanoff wrote: »
    The train will not always be open to board 20 mins before time, some stations open gates less than 10 mins before departure...you're to be available to board 20 mins before departure.

    The issue I had the other Friday was a woman getting on the 5.25pm Limerick train at 5.23pm and demanding four people move. Unfair on us as we had to stand and unfair on her as she'd paid for something and was not getting the full service.

    IR the bad guys for sure.


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    #249
    The Moldy Gowl
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    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    The issue I had the other Friday was a woman getting on the 5.25pm Limerick train at 5.23pm and demanding four people move. Unfair on us as we had to stand and unfair on her as she'd paid for something and was not getting the full service.

    IR the bad guys for sure.

    Ha that's the train I get, luckily I haven't been late for that.


    Irish rail aren't the bad guys. It's people's attitudes that are the bad guy.
    It's like being back in school with some adults acting like children and the I was here first attitude.

    If you are commuting the 2:15 hours to limerick each way, do yourself a favour and pre book a seat. If not a seat will come free after kildare.

    You are not standing for the whole journey.


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    #250
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    The Moldy Gowl wrote: »
    Ha that's the train I get, luckily I haven't been late for that.


    Irish rail aren't the bad guys. It's people's attitudes that are the bad guy.
    It's like being back in school with some adults acting like children and the I was here first attitude.

    If you are commuting the 2:15 hours to limerick each way, do yourself a favour and pre book a seat. If not a seat will come free after kildare.

    You are not standing for the whole journey.

    Near, enough. I was standing from Heuston to Portarlington and then finally got a seat for the ten minutes to Portlaoise.

    There's zero wrong with wanting a seat after working a full day, I fail to see why EXTRA should be paid. If Irish Rail did their jobs - yes, they ARE the bad guys in this scenario - then the booked seats would be clearly marked and no one would sit in them.

    However, after innocently taking a seat and after 20 minutes being turfed out - when the names are STILL not on board - and having to stand, that's not acceptable.


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    #251
    Mr.H
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    At the end of the day if they booked it they deserve it. You can cry 20 mins all you want but your in the wrong.

    Maybe try reserving a seat yourself


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    #252
    The Moldy Gowl
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    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Near, enough. I was standing from Heuston to Portarlington and then finally got a seat for the ten minutes to Portlaoise.

    There's zero wrong with wanting a seat after working a full day, I fail to see why EXTRA should be paid. If Irish Rail did their jobs - yes, they ARE the bad guys in this scenario - then the booked seats would be clearly marked and no one would sit in them.

    However, after innocently taking a seat and after 20 minutes being turfed out - when the names are STILL not on board - and having to stand, that's not acceptable.

    Everyone is working a full day on that train and rushing to make it on time champ. You're nothing special to anyone else on that train.
    Most people work til 5.

    Extra is being paid so you can rest your weary bones. Might be a good investment


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    #253
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    The Moldy Gowl wrote: »
    Everyone is working a full day on that train and rushing to make it on time champ. You're nothing special to anyone else on that train.
    Most people work til 5.

    Extra is being paid so you can rest your weary bones. Might be a good investment

    Wanna lose the sarcasm "champ" ?


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    #254
    Emme
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    The Moldy Gowl wrote: »
    Everyone is working a full day on that train and rushing to make it on time champ. You're nothing special to anyone else on that train.
    Most people work til 5.

    Extra is being paid so you can rest your weary bones. Might be a good investment

    Not everyone who boards an evening train has worked a full day. Indeed, some have never worked a full day in their lives.


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    #255
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Emme wrote: »
    Not everyone who boards an evening train has worked a full day. Indeed, some have never worked a full day in their lives.

    Applause!!!!!!

    Indeed the "lady" concerned who kicked four of us from the seat no doubt has a Facebook page declaring themselves "full time mummy of two little angles" (sic)


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    #256
    magicbastarder
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    Emme wrote: »
    Not everyone who boards an evening train has worked a full day. Indeed, some have never worked a full day in their lives.
    maybe there should be a separate thread 'should non-taxpayers be allowed use public transport' because this one keeps coming back to this topic.


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    #257
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    Emme wrote: »
    Not everyone who boards an evening train has worked a full day. Indeed, some have never worked a full day in their lives.

    I've been on that train hundreds of times. The vast vast majority is people like me and peterparker.


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    #258
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    maybe there should be a separate thread 'should non-taxpayers be allowed use public transport' because this one keeps coming back to this topic.

    Only if they pay their way.


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    #259
    [Deleted User]
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    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    IR's own regulations say - booking a seat means you need to be there 20 minutes before the off. If you're not, your seat is fair game.

    So you're the guy who I will be sitting on for a few hours, cool. Btw, I'm 20 stone

    And yes, I would


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    #260
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Near, enough. I was standing from Heuston to Portarlington and then finally got a seat for the ten minutes to Portlaoise.

    There's zero wrong with wanting a seat after working a full day, I fail to see why EXTRA should be paid. If Irish Rail did their jobs - yes, they ARE the bad guys in this scenario - then the booked seats would be clearly marked and no one would sit in them.

    However, after innocently taking a seat and after 20 minutes being turfed out - when the names are STILL not on board - and having to stand, that's not acceptable.

    I'm sure you got to sit down at some stage of the day.


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    #261
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    I'm sure you got to sit down at some stage of the day.

    Yeah that 35 minutes at 1pm cured my arthritis. Cheers.


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    #262
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,600 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    If people can't act civil in this thread they can expect an infraction.

    For those already given an infraction and are still uncivil, they can expect a holiday from the forum.

    - Moderator


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    #263
    Jamie2k9
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    IR's own regulations say - booking a seat means you need to be there 20 minutes before the off. If you're not, your seat is fair game.

    Irish Rail's regulations are meaningless.
    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Some do regardless with the usual excuses being "It wasn't on when i sat down" or " I didn't see it".

    I agree some do.
    Where do you get the 1 hour to load the reservations from?

    From the time I board to when they come on. I'm sure in most cases they loading of data has already started but more often than not reservations appear 30 minutes into a journey or not at all.


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    #264
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Irish Rail's regulations are meaningless.



    I agree some do.



    From the time I board to when they come on. I'm sure in most cases they loading of data has already started but more often than not reservations appear 30 minutes into a journey or not at all.

    All it takes is the train to be running and the id entered and they should come up.


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    #265
    Jamie2k9
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    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    All it takes is the train to be running and the id entered and they should come up.

    Well the issue is the ID is not been entered early enough before boarding or the train software is the issue and the process to load names. The ID is related to audit announcements as well?

    Drivers won;t enter an ID in the middle of a journey unless they haven't so clearly the ID aspect isn't the core issue here.


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    #266
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    All it takes is the train to be running and the id entered and they should come up.

    I don't get why sometimes they're there immediately and on a few occasions as I alight the train almost an hour later, they're only just being displayed.

    IT issues or did the driver forget ???


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    #267
    joeysoap
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    Why can’t they be loaded from a central office when the train is being cleaned from previous journey?


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    #268
    The Moldy Gowl
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    joeysoap wrote: »
    Why can’t they be loaded from a central office when the train is being cleaned from previous journey?

    Train is turned off I'd say.


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    #269
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    The Moldy Gowl wrote: »
    Train is turned off I'd say.

    If you turn off your phone your not on say WatsApp but when you turn it on again any messages left there automatically feed in. Could they not have something like that?


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    #270
    Emme
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    So you're the guy who I will be sitting on for a few hours, cool. Btw, I'm 20 stone

    And yes, I would

    There are people who pay for that sort of thing, if you were good enough at it you could earn enough to buy yourself a chauffeur driven limo and you wouldn't have to take the train.


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    #271
    [Deleted User]
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    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    Why would I do that. ?I'd refuse to move and an inspector would be called. Not the other parties fault,but it's not mine either.

    Ugh, just give the seat to the person who booked it, and think of someone other than yourself.


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