Trouble on Tory Island...

ohnonotgmail

Whoarewe wrote: »

When they get a proper roll on roll off service and fix all the roads, not just do half here and half there, need proper drainage too. then they definitely should pay everything on their vehicles. Tax, insurance and nct. I don’t disagree with that.

They already get a subsidised ferry service.

somefeen

Still sounds like nonsense to me.

What they should asking for is to dredge the pier so boats with a greater draught can get in. Seeing as they are so concerned about stability it kinda seems disengenius to complain that this new boat is marginally taller but significantly deeper?

donegaLroad

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

any island vehicles are also required to be taxed (albeit at a reduced rate) and insured.

You need to go out there and experience a day or two on the island. I wouldn't like to be the guard who is trying to enforce compliance with road tax and insurance. There are 2 roads on the island, one central road which connects two clusters of houses.

Whoarewe

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They already get a subsidised ferry service.

That people here on this forum are saying they shouldn’t have?

ohnonotgmail

Whoarewe wrote: »

That people here on this forum are saying they shouldn’t have?

well go argue with them then

ohnonotgmail

donegaLroad wrote: »

You need to go out there and experience a day or two on the island. I wouldn't like to be the guard who is trying to enforce compliance with road tax and insurance. There are 2 roads on the island, one central road which connects two clusters of houses.

whatever the practicalities they are still required to be taxed and insured.

schemingbohemia

nihicib2 wrote: »

I hope the islanders get a boat that suits their needs.

They did.

donegaLroad

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

whatever the practicalities they are still required to be taxed and insured.

Sure

Whoarewe

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well go argue with them then

I’m not gonna be arguing with anyone. I’m only saying what’s true. This thread is full of lies. I just wish that people would get the full story from start to finish before jumping on the people of Tory the way they are on this thread. It’s awful to see people from our own country be little The people on Tory Island. That’s exactly what’s going on here. The government made mistakes right left and centre.. not the Tory islanders, why should they suffer because of the governments mistakes. All they want is the right to a safe up to date service for themselves and the tourist that actually make the 9 mile trip to the island. It’s not a massive ask. No word on all the other places in Ireland getting subsidies. I mean on mainland Ireland!!!

Whoarewe

I’m not gonna be arguing with anyone. I’m only saying what’s true. This thread is full of lies. I just wish that people would get the full story from start to finish before jumping on the people of Tory the way they are on this thread. It’s awful to see people from our own country be little The people on Tory Island. That’s exactly what’s going on here. The government made mistakes right left and centre.. not the Tory islanders, why should they suffer because of the governments mistakes. All they want is the right to a safe up to date service for themselves and the tourist that actually make the 9 mile trip to the island. It’s not a massive ask. No word on all the other places in Ireland getting subsidies. I mean on mainland Ireland!!!

ohnonotgmail

Whoarewe wrote: »

I’m not gonna be arguing with anyone. I’m only saying what’s true. This thread is full of lies. I just wish that people would get the full story from start to finish before jumping on the people of Tory the way they are on this thread. It’s awful to see people from our own country be little The people on Tory Island. That’s exactly what’s going on here. The government made mistakes right left and centre.. not the Tory islanders, why should they suffer because of the governments mistakes. All they want is the right to a safe up to date service for themselves and the tourist that actually make the 9 mile trip to the island. It’s not a massive ask. No word on all the other places in Ireland getting subsidies. I mean on mainland Ireland!!!

well then quote their posts and reply to them. Its not that difficult to understand.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Stunning looking place.

Harry Palmr

Amazing that a tiny island with a tiny population suffers from such terrible planning. 4 "villages"!

PRidley

Whoarewe wrote: »

When they get a proper roll on roll off service and fix all the roads, not just do half here and half there, need proper drainage too. then they definitely should pay everything on their vehicles. Tax, insurance and nct. I don’t disagree with that.

I understand the main road on Tory is in excellent condition having being completely tarmaced in the past few years.

Pity people on the mainland could decide not to bother taxing and insuring their vehicles while expecting the country to provide them with well surfaced roads.

PRidley

somefeen wrote: »

Still sounds like nonsense to me.

What they should asking for is to dredge the pier so boats with a greater draught can get in. Seeing as they are so concerned about stability it kinda seems disengenius to complain that this new boat is marginally taller but significantly deeper?

Is the proposed boat significantly deeper than the existing? Does anyone know the actual drafts?

Since this seems to be the main concern of the Tory islanders it would be useful to the rest of us understanding their concerns if they could give the actual values on this thread.

PRidley

Whoarewe wrote: »

This thread is full of lies.

What are the lies?

wexandproud

PRidley wrote: »

Is the proposed boat significantly deeper than the existing? Does anyone know the actual drafts?

Since this seems to be the main concern of the Tory islanders it would be useful to the rest of us understanding their concerns if they could give the actual values on this thread.

there is a picture of both boats further back in the thread and the water line of both vessels is marked at [ about ]1.7 mtrs and when you look at both boats in the cradle there appears to be very little difference in them windage wise . What would be far more important would be the draft when loaded , the might carry a load differently

PRidley

wexandproud wrote: »

there is a picture of both boats further back in the thread and the water line of both vessels is marked at [ about ]1.7 mtrs and when you look at both boats in the cradle there appears to be very little difference in them windage wise . What would be far more important would be the draft when loaded , the might carry a load differently

Hopefully the people from Tory who presumably know the facts will give us that information.

wexandproud

PRidley wrote: »

Hopefully the people from Tory who presumably know the facts will give us that information.

i would far prefer to take my information from people qualified to do so . If a surveyor tells us , or the ''lines plan '' for the two boats can be provided and the draft is significantly more the fair enough , the islanders were right

the actual draft markings on the pictures above would be inspected by a qualified surveyor not just painted on where someone thinks they should be and where they are painted there would usually be a short welded mark to make repainting accurate

Whoarewe

PRidley wrote: »

What are the lies?

“Could easily just be a "we don't like change!" complaint from locals who've gotten friendly with the last captain. “

“the current boat owner may simply be enlisting family and friends to support his position after he lost the tender.”

What would you call this?

Whoarewe

PRidley wrote: »

I understand the main road on Tory is in excellent condition having being completely tarmaced in the past few years.

Pity people on the mainland could decide not to bother taxing and insuring their vehicles while expecting the country to provide them with well surfaced roads.

This thread is about the people of Tory wanting best for their Island. Not about cars, tax, Insurance and nct. Totally off the point. Keep that for another day.

Atlantic Dawn

Whoarewe wrote: »

People on Tory have vehicles taxed, insured and nct’d.. they are on the mainland, because they don’t have a roll on roll off daily service. How on earth would you expect those people to be able to insure tax and nct 2 cars? People in this country can’t even pay for one car never mind 2. This thread is going off the point completely

They have personalised plates too, they have it all

Widdensushi

Do the ferries bring in the fuel for the generators or is there a boat for that? I presume there are big storage tanks?

Whoarewe

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They have personalised plates too, they have it all

Great picture 🤗

Bob_Marley

Whoarewe wrote: »

“Could easily just be a "we don't like change!" complaint from locals who've gotten friendly with the last captain. “

“the current boat owner may simply be enlisting family and friends to support his position after he lost the tender.”

What would you call this?

It's regional hatred pure and simple, if this was an Island in the south of the country they would be falling over themselves to support better investment and treatment for a natural treasure.

Threatening to leave the Island is completely the wrong tactic though, that's exactly what they want. - You should should all be threatening to always keep the Island well inhabited with locals forever, if you don't get a fit for purpose service - they'll have a fit at that, and will be tripping over themselves to try and get a decent one in place then.

Lackey

511 wrote: »

That's a load of bollocks. FG are trying to rollout fibre optic broadband to every one-off house in the backarse of nowhere, while they keep stalling on Dublin North Metro. They also built a dual carriage way to bypass Tuam which has a population of almost 9,000. The government are also building a bridge to bypass New Ross, with its population of 5,000. Considering this entire country is subsidised by Dublin and Cork, rural areas receive a hughly disproportionate amount of investment in their favour compared to what they put in.

You’ve obviously never spent an hour trying to get through New Ross and Enniscorthy On a Friday ....it’s not just locals that use the roads

Permabear

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mikhail

Whoarewe wrote: »

“Could easily just be a "we don't like change!" complaint from locals who've gotten friendly with the last captain. “

“the current boat owner may simply be enlisting family and friends to support his position after he lost the tender.”

What would you call this?

Lies are intentionally false statements. You see the words "could ... be" and "may ... be"? These are not even statements, much less intentionally false. So we're left with two options: either you're too ignorant to tell the difference, or you're making a transparent and clumsy attempt to attack anyone questioning your narrative on this ferry bull****. Which one is it?

downwesht

Is there any Tory islander on this thread who might educate those who know nothing about offshore island life?Perhaps they could outline the basics of living on an island and what it implies!
Having lived fulltime and worked on an island for over 3 years and visited many islands,not yet to Tory! I have nothing but respect for island people .Island life is not for everyone but neither is city or townlife!

Whoarewe

mikhail wrote: »

Lies are intentionally false statements. You see the words "could ... be" and "may ... be"? These are not even statements, much less intentionally false. So we're left with two options: either you're too ignorant to tell the difference, or you're making a transparent and clumsy attempt to attack anyone questioning your narrative on this ferry bull****. Which one is it?

Malign maybe? No? Could be?