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Leo is the new king of Ireland.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 67,252 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is clear that Varadkar has charm and charisma that are certainly lacking in Martin and Mcdonald. In the past, this worked for the likes of Ahern and Haughey, even though they were corrupt and had incompetent policies. Arguably, they achieved a substantial voting bonus for FF because of it.

    It will be interesting to see whether Varadkar can do the same for FG. He will be excused for his gaffes and so long as he has half-decent policies and avoids any whiff of corruption, I think he could increase the FG vote during a campaign when the advantage of charisma comes to the fore.

    I think Varadkar's oncoming train is his almost entire lack of charisma tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    I think Varadkar's oncoming train is his almost entire lack of charisma tbh.

    Charisma he has plenty of, it's empathy he lacks, or been accused of lacking.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,252 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Charisma he has plenty of, it's empathy he lacks, or been accused of lacking.

    I wouldn't agree, he is stiff, remote, affected and a smile seems to hurt him.
    That won't play well in the bad times.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Any country that chooses a leader based on "charisma" will get the leadership it deserves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Any country that chooses a leader based on "charisma" will get the leadership it deserves.

    Well luckily we don't get to vote for Taoiseach as such then. His party was down two points in the poll.
    If his popularity translated to his party then he'd certainly be going to the polls.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 67,252 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Any country that chooses a leader based on "charisma" will get the leadership it deserves.

    Definitely a factor though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,252 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Martin led from the front on the Frances Fitzgerald debacle and Varadkar's dithering handed a massive win to FF.

    The same is developing here, he again dithered and allowed Martin the upperhand and to come across as the real leader. He is now playing catch up.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-says-he-will-campaign-for-liberalisation-of-abortion-laws-1.3370183


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Any country that chooses a leader based on "charisma" will get the leadership it deserves.
    That being said Trudeau does seem to have both charisma and leadership in bucketloads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Charisma he has plenty of, it's empathy he lacks, or been accused of lacking.
    I'm no FG supporter, but if you're referring to "parentgate" I think that has been blown way out of proportion by people and the media.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Varadkar recognises that to be in government now a vote of 35-38% makes it nearly impossible for a government to be formed without him. Therefore he doesn't need to appeal to the country in the main, he only needs to appeal to a certain constituency.

    It is a bit like the way that SF and AAA/PBP only appeal to a limited audience. Unfotunately for them, their audience is much more limited than Leo's

    ok, see I no longer fully agree with the above, which I would have seen as logical only several months ago. So simple game here, I am on €50k, who do I vote for?

    FG came out with the line before budget that they would raise if for everyone, including the work shy, this it was claimed, came from FG, not FF! Are FG now afraid of losing the welfare vote?! yet we have people waiting on trolleys for hours, lack of Gardai and prison spaces etc, might the money not have been better spent there, than gone up in smoke?!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Another poll mirroring the last one for FG support. I'd say Leo will be pleased again.
    Recent controversies don't seem to be affecting them at all.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0127/936439-opinion-poll-politics/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    I'm no FG supporter, but if you're referring to "parentgate" I think that has been blown way out of proportion by people and the media.

    Not specifically that, but a general 'observation' I've heard from some people I know who are active in FG suggest that there is some concern that for all his smarts and talents, empathy is a bit of an issue........obviously not enough of an issue to damage his standing in the polls!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,252 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Seem to remember Enda starting out the same way in the polls and he managed to merge FG and FF in everything but name. :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Terrible bang of Bertie off him like during the boom it's easy when things are going well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Bit of desperation off them last two?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    That being said Trudeau does seem to have both charisma and leadership in bucketloads.


    Trudeau is a condescending clown


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    I like Leo, he visited my workplace recently and he came across as warm and genuine. His quotes the other day about mortgage deposits for young people really annoyed me however.

    As a young person whose parents are not wealthy, I am struggling myself to come up a deposit whilst paying massive rent. What he said was disappointing and raised questions tbh


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That is wishful thinking on your part.

    Varadkar recognises that to be in government now a vote of 35-38% makes it nearly impossible for a government to be formed without him. Therefore he doesn't need to appeal to the country in the main, he only needs to appeal to a certain constituency.

    It is a bit like the way that SF and AAA/PBP only appeal to a limited audience. Unfotunately for them, their audience is much more limited than Leo's

    Leo is cultivating the FG heartland perfectly and this is where his message is resonating strongest. That the fact that comments on rewarding work/early risers narked the Loony Left so much is seen as a triumph amongst his core.
    There is a strong antagonism out there towards the left amongst the middle classes that is bubbling away underneath the surface. The left and co have had an extremely easy 6 or 7 years but I have a feeling as the economic recovery is at least being more widely felt their message of doom and incessant negativity is waning. Hence their new obsession with so called "homelessness".
    Enda Kenny tried to pander to all sections (with no success), Leo is not interested in spreading his franchise as thinly and that's why he is going down so well with the FG core.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Rumpy Pumpy


    FFs volte face on water charges did them no favours I think. There was a large and relatively silent group in Ireland who wanted to see others contribute for once. Their ill-timed attempt at populism backfired.

    FG do seem to best represent the type of folks who work, pay tax, and aspire to a better life for themselves and society. While also offering realistic solutions that don’t rely on magic money or voodoo economics.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,732 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Trudeau is a condescending clown

    No more petty name calling please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    FFs volte face on water charges did them no favours I think. There was a large and relatively silent group in Ireland who wanted to see others contribute for once. Their ill-timed attempt at populism backfired.

    FG do seem to best represent the type of folks who work, pay tax, and aspire to a better life for themselves and society. While also offering realistic solutions that don’t rely on magic money or voodoo economics.

    Well how come those collecting SW benefits fared out better than workers in the last budget so?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Well how come those collecting SW benefits fared out better than workers in the last budget so?

    Pandering to FF's demands. That silly Confidence and Supply thing. They've always been a high tax/high welfare party. Their core vote are welfare recipients and OAPs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,252 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Well how come those collecting SW benefits fared out better than workers in the last budget so?

    Because Leo is all about image, It suits to pretend at the moment that he is a tough new force in Irish politics. Populism appealing to the loudest voice at the given moment really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    seamus wrote: »
    I generally disagree with a lot of this piplip :)

    Brexit handling has certainly gone down well with him, but overall it's the economy. We're approaching full employment, people have money in their pockets, and the Government, despite being a minority, seems pretty capable of weathering rough seas like Brexit negotiations.

    I think you have the "early in the morning" thing backwards. Those most irritated by it were those who pay the least tax; welfare recipients, lower waged, students, etc. Those who pay the most tax would have found his comment heartening - because they're the ones who "get up early in the morning".

    There's a certain cohort of journalists who are just waiting to pounce on any speech and analyse it for potential "insensitivity" and then run with that. The perpetually outraged are easily stirred up - one comment I read asked, "What about those of us who don't start till midday?!". And if someone's comprehension of language is that poor, they're a lost cause.

    Likewise the comments yesterday about mortgage deposits turned out to be a non-issue; outrage merchants doing their best to stir up outrage over honest and truthful commentary.

    I think most people see through this nonsense tbh.

    I'm one of the people who get up early every morning and I can tell you that I did not find his comments "heartening" (and I would hazard a guess that most people in my situation didn't find it "heartening" either), if anything I found his comments condescending. He is an elitist and couldn't give a damn about those who get up early to pay his and most other politicians over inflated salaries.

    For the size of the country, the mismanagement and misappropriation of public money is shocking. The inability of any given gov't to balance the books is akin to a SLT of a company being incapable of garnering success for that company.

    The finances for the country could be managed in such a way that the prosperity is real for all but of course that wouldn't sit well with all of the multi-pension, multi-expense elitist ministers we have.

    Let's be real - the country is in the exact same position as we were in 2004/2005/2006 - a false economy, a false property market supported by elitist landlord politicians whom have direct links with the businesses profiteering off the backs of those that 'get up early'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    He's all show and no substance and always has been.
    It's soundbites and polls.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,739 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    He's all show and no substance and always has been.
    It's soundbites and polls.

    Yep.. I genuinely can't see why so many people fall for it... he's done pretty much nothing since 2011 except build his own profile to line himself up as successor to Enda (helped by the alternative being Coveney, and Micheal Martin being weak and unable to capitalise on the situation)

    He did pretty much nothing in Health (thus exacerbating the current crisis), ditto in Transport (again exacerbating the situation in Dublin particularly).

    He's making the right noises on Brexit but FFS, anyone in the position would be doing the same. The spin-off talk about a United Ireland though is a nonsense that people need to take off the republican/stick-it-to-the Brits hat though and think though.

    Leo is far more concerned about his personal profile (as the increased spending on the "Department of Spin" shows) and being popular on social media than actually doing anything - either way! - that might have real consequences.

    It's only because of FF inertia and a poor front bench that the current situation has lasted as long as it has IMO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,381 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Populism appealing to the loudest voice at the given moment really.

    That kinda sounds like SF


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,252 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That kinda sounds like SF

    No, it sounds like all political parties.

    Leo and Leo's supporters like to think FG are above it, but they aren't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Yep.. I genuinely can't see why so many people fall for it... he's done pretty much nothing since 2011 except build his own profile to line himself up as successor to Enda (helped by the alternative being Coveney, and Micheal Martin being weak and unable to capitalise on the situation)

    He did pretty much nothing in Health (thus exacerbating the current crisis), ditto in Transport (again exacerbating the situation in Dublin particularly).

    He's making the right noises on Brexit but FFS, anyone in the position would be doing the same. The spin-off talk about a United Ireland though is a nonsense that people need to take off the republican/stick-it-to-the Brits hat though and think though.

    Leo is far more concerned about his personal profile (as the increased spending on the "Department of Spin" shows) and being popular on social media than actually doing anything - either way! - that might have real consequences.

    It's only because of FF inertia and a poor front bench that the current situation has lasted as long as it has IMO.
    Agreed. He's done nothing of substance in any department where he has worked.
    His new dept of communication shows exactly where his motives lie.

    But like everything, say the right things at the right time and you'll get the desired results.

    One thing for Simon Harris is that he is actually trying to effect change.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    _Kaiser_ wrote:
    Yep.. I genuinely can't see why so many people fall for it... he's done pretty much nothing since 2011 except build his own profile to line himself up as successor to Enda


    Same reason people fell for Obama.

    Noble peace prize days into his presidency then precedes to bomb multiple countries for the next 8 years straight and yet he is still adored by the media etc


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