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Should Irish be made optional at schools.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sue Pa Key Pa


    As far as I know...you're not allowed post in Irish on here unless in a dedicated forum?

    Which makes sense. Why post in a language nobody understands. Kinda proves the point


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭Melodeon


    As far as I know...you're not allowed post in Irish on here unless in a dedicated forum?

    You can post anywhere in any language you like, provided you also provide an accurate translation:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq_guidelines#faq_bie_faq_guidelines_english
    We Speak English, So Should You
    English is the mother tongue of Ireland and is the language that the vast majority of our populace speaks. If you wish to speak in any other language, you must provide an English translation for what you're saying - it's just good manners. Some forums like Teach na nGealt or the Languages sub-forums are exempt from this rule.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭Owta Control


    Melodeon wrote: »
    You can post anywhere in any language you like, provided you also provide an accurate translation:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq_guidelines#faq_bie_faq_guidelines_english

    So you can't post in Irish is what you're saying


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,724 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    It should be optional at secondary level and less time spent on it (and religion) at primary level to allow for more European languages and science/IT.

    We've been doing the same thing with Irish for the last 100 years, and it has not revived the language (in fact no-one has ever "revived" a language in the way Dev envisaged). All the progress in recent years has been through the Gaelscoil movement - invest money in that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Yes it should, plain and simple.

    Putting unnecessary stress on students like myself is absolute bull****.

    They seem to forget one key principle about Irish, beatha teanga í a labhairt! A language lives if it's spoken!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭Gwynplaine


    Learning poems and the meaning of them in English is hard enough. And at 15 - 18 years old, trying to learn this in Irish is impossible, also very hard to do when you have absolutely no interest in it.
    It should be optional, then the people who want to learn it will, and the the people who don't will learn something else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,790 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Strangely and sadly, I suspect most students would have learned as much as I did of the language in school, and I had undiagnosed Dyslexia! Something wrong there folks!


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,011 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    As far as I know...you're not allowed post in Irish on here unless in a dedicated forum?

    I didn't know that. Kinda makes you think the language doesn't stand a chance if Boards.IE don't allow it outside of a dedicated forum.

    You are allowed to post in Irish in any other forum - provided you post an English translation.

    What do you think would happen if a certain petcentage of posts were in a language most posters couldn't read?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,011 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    So you can't post in Irish is what you're saying

    Em... the first three words of his post were "you can post..." so no - what he's saying is the exact opposite of what you read.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭Owta Control


    Em... the first three words of his post were "you can post..." so no - what he's saying is the exact opposite of what you read.

    No, you can't post in Irish... unless you provide an English translation....and over the years people have been told not to post in Irish on AH...with or without translation
    It comes under "discretion of the moderator"


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,011 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    No, you can't post in Irish... unless you provide an English translation....and over the years people have been told not to post in Irish on AH...with or without translation
    It comes under "discretion of the moderator"

    I was going to post the link to the guidleines, but you've already ignored that so here's the quote in full direct from said link:
    If you wish to speak in any other language, you must provide an English translation for what you're saying - it's just good manners.

    It most certainly does not come under discretion of the moderator. That's hopeful bull**** and you know it.

    Now how about putting away the victim cards so we can get back on topic?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭Owta Control


    I was going to post the link to the guidleines, but you've already ignored that so here's the quote in full direct from said link:



    It most certainly does not come under discretion of the moderator. That's hopeful bull**** and you know it.

    Now how about putting away the victim cards so we can get back on topic?

    It has been done before....and as far as the victim card goes, sorry, I'm actually a fan of the irish language, so keep your own bs there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,011 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    It has been done before....and as far as the victim card goes, sorry, I'm actually a fan of the irish language, so keep your own bs there.

    Then you can highight the posts where people have been told this, can you? Because if you can't, I'll rest my case proven and unopposed.

    Beyond that, either you don't understand the meaning of victim cards, or you don't read the posts you reply to.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭Owta Control


    Then you can highight the posts where people have been told this, can you? Because if you can't, I'll rest my case proven and unopposed.

    Beyond that, either you don't understand the meaning of victim cards, or you don't read the posts you reply to.

    Over the years? I'm not going back thru threads...I've seen them, you obviously haven't... do your own research...and you can rest what ever you wish , I'll not be bothered replying to your posts anymore, oíche maith (that's good night)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    This post has been deleted.

    I'm pure evil.
    I will tell ye that after about 2 days one answer is double the number of the other.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,790 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Over the years? I'm not going back thru threads...I've seen them, you obviously haven't... do your own research...and you can rest what ever you wish , I'll not be bothered replying to your posts anymore, oíche maith (that's good night)

    what language is that?:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭Owta Control


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    what language is that?:D

    Joking aside....if you take the census figures as the amount of actual Irish speakers in the land...then Irish is possibly 15th or so on the list of spoken languages in Ireland


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,790 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Joking aside....if you take the census figures as the amount of actual Irish speakers in the land...then Irish is possibly 15th or so on the list of spoken languages in Ireland

    must be a record high!:pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭SATSUMA


    Make it optional those that enjoy it will do well those that hate it wont hold the class back.

    I don't know anyone who actually uses it in any way productive after leaving school.

    I think its a very personal choice!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,011 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Then you can highight the posts where people have been told this, can you? Because if you can't, I'll rest my case proven and unopposed.

    Beyond that, either you don't understand the meaning of victim cards, or you don't read the posts you reply to.

    Over the years? I'm not going back thru threads...I've seen them, you obviously haven't... do your own research...and you can rest what ever you wish , I'll not be bothered replying to your posts anymore, oíche maith (that's good night)
    Didn't think so. Guten nacht.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-Anyone can post in whatever language they please as long as they provide an English translation in the post. This has always been the rule on boards. Obviously this doesn't apply in certain language forums.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Yes, it's a dead language


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Joking aside....if you take the census figures as the amount of actual Irish speakers in the land...then Irish is possibly 15th or so on the list of spoken languages in Ireland

    Says it all. Imagine where it'd be without TG4 and the Irish radio stations. Also, why does every road sign in the RoI have Irish on it? Is that a legal requirement?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭cycle4fun


    Do not forget all the money wasted on duplicating printing costs elsewhere too...eg on a paper booklet from the ESB delivered as junk mail, on how to save electricity / avoid wastage, half was in Irish!


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,850 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    We should provide Irish and religion for those who want them.

    For those who don't want them, there are many useful alternatives we can provide.

    The idea that every "true Irishman" is an Irish-speaking Catholic is a long dead myth yet our state funded schools continue to perpetuate this nonsense.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    Language is very much part of a nation's identity and uniqueness so in that sense I think it is worth keeping. I am ashamed to say after 13 years of learning it I could barely right an essay. Sadly how it is taught leaves a lot to be desired. I would hate to see the day that the language died out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    holyhead wrote: »
    Language is very much part of a nation's identity and uniqueness so in that sense I think it is worth keeping. I am ashamed to say after 13 years of learning it I could barely right an essay. Sadly how it is taught leaves a lot to be desired. I would hate to see the day that the language died out.

    Not saying it shouldn't be a subject or anything, just not mandatory.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,011 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    holyhead wrote: »
    Language is very much part of a nation's identity and uniqueness so in that sense I think it is worth keeping. I am ashamed to say after 13 years of learning it I could barely right an essay. Sadly how it is taught leaves a lot to be desired. I would hate to see the day that the language died out.

    As I've said before, a nation consist of millions of people: you don't get to say what each and every person sees as part of their "identity".

    It appears to be very much of your personal identity though, may I ask why you don't consider learning it now?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,833 ✭✭✭daheff


    Quite an amount of Gaelscoils have opened over the years so we'll see where this leads over the coming years!

    thats because of snobbishness and not wanting their darling kids to go to school with children from Eastern Europe/ Africa......not because mummy & daddy have such a love of Irish.


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