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Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

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    #1892
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Can a solicitor do that? Or are you making stuff up?

    Remember When Larry Goodmans brother in law punched Desmond O Malley on a plane in Holland? His son had his father checked into a mental health facility to prevent Dessy taking him to court?


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    #1893
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Just because this murderer is being held in the Central Mental Hospital proves nothing - in fact he's probably in there under the advice of his solicitor/lawyer. Checking into a mental institution is a time honoured way of avoiding the rigours of the law in Ireland.

    Crap.
    You cannot just choose to check in to the CMH.
    In fact it quite difficult to be admitted and require 2 Clinicians to assess your mental health.
    The fact that the medical staff there do not believe he is fit to attend court now and is unlikely to be fit for some time is a medical judgement by them an has nothing to do with his lawyer.


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    #1894
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Can a solicitor do that? Or are you making stuff up?

    He's making it up,
    Just to suit his agenda,


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    #1895
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Just because this murderer is being held in the Central Mental Hospital proves nothing - in fact he's probably in there under the advice of his solicitor/lawyer. Checking into a mental institution is a time honoured way of avoiding the rigours of the law in Ireland.

    So a solicitor approaches two psychiatrists and asks them to falsify their psychiatric reports on his client. Or a young man with no education in mental health manages to deceive two psychiatrists during two seperate forensic assessments. Yeah, no.


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    #1896
    Rory28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    So a solicitor approaches two psychiatrists and asks them to falsify their psychiatric reports on his client. Or a young man with no education in mental health manages to deceive two psychiatrists during two seperate forensic assessments. Yeah, no.

    What about if they couldnt make a diagnoses either way? Would they commit him as a precaution?


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    #1897
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Rory28 wrote: »
    What about if they couldnt make a diagnoses either way? Would they commit him as a precaution?

    They would make assessments and possible subsequent diagnoses based on his behaviour and the reasons for his committal. If they found him to be sane and functioning then he would have been returned to Garda custody.


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    #1898
    Rory28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    They would make assessments and possible subsequent diagnoses based on his behaviour and the reasons for his committal. If they found him to be sane and functioning then he would have been returned to Garda custody.

    Its possible they are doing the subsequent diagnoses now. I guess time will tell.


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    #1899
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Just because this murderer is being held in the Central Mental Hospital proves nothing - in fact he's probably in there under the advice of his solicitor/lawyer. Checking into a mental institution is a time honoured way of avoiding the rigours of the law in Ireland.

    He was sent there.


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    #1900
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Just because this murderer is being held in the Central Mental Hospital proves nothing - in fact he's probably in there under the advice of his solicitor/lawyer. Checking into a mental institution is a time honoured way of avoiding the rigours of the law in Ireland.

    What you should do is rock up to the CMH on Monday and ask to “check in”.
    Let us know how you get on.


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    #1901
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Agree

    But you surprised how many will think this is Mental Health issues though.

    You agree that it’s just a question of the accused asking to be brought to CMH by AGS and the CMH admitting him.
    No questions asked.
    That’s amazing.
    It’s a wonder all accused don’t demand that.


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    #1902
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Remember When Larry Goodmans brother in law punched Desmond O Malley on a plane in Holland? His son had his father checked into a mental health facility to prevent Dessy taking him to court?

    But did they check him into CMH or just an expensive private clinic where you can get in if you can pay?


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    #1903
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Rory28 wrote: »
    What about if they couldnt make a diagnoses either way? Would they commit him as a precaution?

    There doesn’t have to be a “diagnoses” to recommend that someone is not fit to present themselves to a court.
    It may be months or years before there is a diagnoses.
    They don’t stamp “insane” on your forehead and walk away.


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    #1904
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Man you have a lot to learn... I'd start with perhaps talking to some Irish protestants the majority of which didn't lord over anyone.... In fact we thought you a lot

    Obviously not spelling ;)

    I still stand by my point.
    Protestants in the 19th century had a lot more advantages going for them in comparison to Catholics.
    One big one was not being turfed out on the road to starve.
    Also wasn't it nice of some protestants to offer food, granted one had to convert to get it. ;)

    And that is not even going back to the Penal laws which were only really overturned in 1829.
    The Act of union was meant to grant Catholic emancipation as power was removed from the Irish protestants ascendancy and transferred to London.
    The British government had agreed to it, but the king disagreed and it didn't happen.

    Perhaps you can remind us all how non church of Ireland folk had to subsidise that church through tithes ?

    Now it does have to be said that not all protestants were ar**holes and some genuinely tried to help the native Catholics, but they still enjoyed huge advantages over those same catholics just because they were protestant.

    Presbyterians were seen as just a few steps above the old catholics and makes one wonder how they became so vehemently anti separationist.
    Was it fact they became wealthy and less radical or was it because the Irish freedom movement became so dominated by catholics as the 19th century proceeded ?

    But isn't it enlightening how some protestants today still view the catholics of yesteryear as "scum and criminals" to quote yourself. :rolleyes:
    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    I work in science and I have never encountered anyone with the blinkered up the r hate the Brits attitude you have. In fact I mean no insult here but people with your views are usually bottom feeders. So well done in getting three degrees and not learning anything.

    The thing is a lot of very educated people can be actual idiots when it comes to common sense, total knobends and often very dangerous people.
    Some very well educated people were leading Nazis.
    Hell the Einsatzgruppen were nearly all led by guys with doctorates of one form or another.
    Look through the list of Wannsee Conference attendees and see how many had doctorates and university education.

    Nowadays the highly educated appear to be drawn to the polar opposite political opinion, which is leading us merrily down the road to societal destruction.
    Grayson wrote: »
    Especially not being able to critically assess a subject and blindly accepting any auld right wing drivel.

    What about blindly accepting any auld left wing drivel ?


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    #1905
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    I work in science and I have never encountered anyone with the blinkered up the r hate the Brits attitude you have. In fact I mean no insult here but people with your views are usually bottom feeders. So well done in getting three degrees and not learning anything.
    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    WOOOOOOWWWWW!!!!! Where did you get that up the RA vibe from? Or that Brit hating? You certainly read that completely wrong ...... polar opposite in fact. I love British culture, many of my friends are British, plus as for the "up the RA", I am ex FCA (years not there for the boots) and I wouldnt be caught dead with them who are pro-immigration.
    I don't work in science, so obviously I'm not half as intelligent as Ash.
    Even so, I would never lead up to a calculated insult with "In fact I mean no insult here".
    "In fact" that is just lying.

    Nor would I regard it as very "scientific" to make up random conclusions about somebody, without having any evidence to support them whatsoever.


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    #1906
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Small amount? We have taken in 70k muslims. What country has taken in muslims and integrated them correctly. When you integrate, you enter you take on the same religion, customs and traditions. This has not worked out well in Lebanon, Syria, France, Germany Britian, Sweden, etc etc and now Ireland.

    Do not confuse the two different administrations in America. The previous one started these conflicts. Very easily Russia could sort this conflict out, but the result would be very bloody and the infrastructure would be beyond the stone age when Vladimir would be finished.

    Take on same religion? Is everyone in ireland catholic? or can they pick and choose between atheist protestant or catholic because those 3 are okay? Just be anything but muslim


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    #1907
    Ash.J.Williams
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    recedite wrote: »
    I don't work in science, so obviously I'm not half as intelligent as Ash.
    Even so, I would never lead up to a calculated insult with "In fact I mean no insult here".
    "In fact" that is just lying.

    Nor would I regard it as very "scientific" to make up random conclusions about somebody, without having any evidence to support them whatsoever.

    that's great.


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    #1908
    Rory28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    that's great.

    To be fair you stepped around a direct insult. You shouldn't call people bottom feeders. It's bold.


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    #1909
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    jmayo wrote: »
    What about blindly accepting any auld left wing drivel ?

    I'm sure there are plenty of people who do that. I don't. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone as evidence driven as me.
    hell, the only reason I went back to university was to study philosophy and maths so that I'd be better at critical thinking.

    It's the reason why i keep getting annoyed at people misusing inductive reasoning.


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    #1910
    The_Kew_Tour
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    You agree that it’s just a question of the accused asking to be brought to CMH by AGS and the CMH admitting him.
    No questions asked.
    That’s amazing.
    It’s a wonder all accused don’t demand that.

    Not really

    many do


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    #1911
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Not really

    many do

    You just can't stand the fact hes probably mad, can you?


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    #1912
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,056 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You just can't stand the fact hes probably mad, can you?

    You're right

    No I don't like the fact that he got mad and killed a young man.

    was I meant be delighted?


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    #1913
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-and-its-muslim-population-in-a-post-charlie-hebdo-attack-world

    49.5k...... that was a few years ago. Then you have to take into account the numbers who have "dissappeared" like in Germany and cannot be accounted for

    Any tin foil hats for sale?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1914
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Any tin foil hats for sale?

    You realise that an invisible muslim jihadi could be right behind you at this exact moment in time?


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    #1915
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    lol

    not first time you taken post totally out of context.

    next time you reply to a post of mine fast, read it first

    What does your post mean then?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1916
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You realise that an invisible muslim jihadi could be right behind you at this exact moment in time?

    He's behind me? What is this a panto?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1917
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    He's behind me? What is this a panto?

    More of a jihanto.


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    #1918
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Odhinn wrote: »
    More of a jihanto.

    Modern day Reds under the bed?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1919
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Modern day Reds under the bed?

    Yep - Scimitars under the setee.


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    #1920
    Rory28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Modern day Reds under the bed?

    They dont need to be under your bed anymore. They are in your webcam :eek:


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    #1921
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Rory28 wrote: »
    They dont need to be under your bed anymore. They are in your webcam :eek:

    God love them if they're in mine....


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