Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

recedite

jmayo wrote: »

Even if it is not terrorism it is not something we want in our country.

We have enough problems and issues without adding young men with gripes who believe hacking strangers to death in unprovoked attacks is a way to go.

All one has to do is look to our continental neighbours and see how unprovoked violent incidents and sexual assaults have increased due to the introduction of the unverifiable migrants.

Even in Ireland over the last few years have had some sickening violent sexual attacks, even worse on vulnerable individuals, carried out by so called asylum seekers.

I totally agree. Prevention is better than labelling.
But some on this thread keep referring back to the fact that Gardai have not so far labelled the incident officially as "terrorism" As if that somehow lessened the impact.

weldoninhio

Get Real wrote: »

In relation to the Brazilian. Yeah she was arrested for coming in a tourist visa and working here. There was a power of arrest there. And she was sent home.

And I respect your solution. I'm just curious of the actual realism attached to it. In law I mean. Define "correct documentation". Say a driver is stopped and produces a valid Brazilian driving licence. He claims he's a tourist. He's arrested because he's Brazilian and sure, he could be working here. Goes to court and it's found he is actually a tourist. How would that lawsuit against the state go?

Perhaps read up on the case. She was stopped at the airport, arrested and detained. She had not worked here illegally at all.

If he's a tourist he'll have a passport with his tourist visa stamp on it. If he doesn't have it on him he would be breaching the terms of the tourist visa. You are supposed to have it on you at all times for just such a situation.

recedite

Grayson wrote: »

I can tell you that surveys have shown that ISIS has feck all support amongst muslims.

I can tell you that 100% of their support was from muslims.
I can also tell you that they were effectively defeated in 2017 and the surviving fighters scattered north towards Turkey and Europe. Maybe one even ended up in Dundalk for all we know.

Rory28

Grayson wrote: »

some people here would be quite happy banning every single one of them because of the actions of a few.

The few is not a small number. Lets assume its 10% of the muslim population. Thats 100million people. Hardly a few.

I agree with your point tho we shouldnt close up shop out of fear but nor should we have an open door policy for every tom dick and harry.

Grayson

recedite wrote: »

I can tell you that 100% of their support was from muslims.
I can also tell you that they were effectively defeated in 2017 and the surviving fighters scattered north towards Turkey and Europe. Maybe one even ended up in Dundalk for all we know.

I can tell you 100% of the Ira were Irish. Should we kick out the entire Irish population.

You're using a weird fecked up inductive reasoning to come to a deductive conclusion.

100% of violent muslims are muslims therefore 100% of muslims are violent? Do you see how silly that sounds? Even if I changed it to
100% of violent muslims are muslim therefore 0.000000001% of muslims are violent, it still makes no sense.

There's literally no link between the premise and conclusion.

ardinn

I was admitted to st vincents monday morning - i'm pretty sure the accused was here - in a room with 4 guards - strapped to a bed - moaning loudly, in serious pain - but not normal - Like - Like he was down syndrome, and moaning every few seconds (sorry for using that comparison but its all I could think of)

Guy looks nutterballs!!!

jmayo

Grayson wrote: »

No-one wants to import criminals. However the only way to stop all potential criminals from entering this country is to stop absolutely everyone from entering the country.

Ah yes the typical hyperbole to try simplify it to the extreme.

A great start would be to not let in anyone without documentation.
And that should be right across EU.
If that had been done in Italy when a young supposed asylum seeker who turned out to be called Anis Amri was taken from one of the boats crossing the Med, then remind us how many people in Berlin and Poland could be alive today.
I think the count was 12 dead and 56 injured.

Hell our own Naval Service has unknowningly probably helped the odd would be Anis Amri into EU.

Also operate a system like Australia where those with necessary skills can enter and the applicant can prove to be who and what they claim they are.

Grayson wrote: »

Otherwise you have to accept that when we let someone in they may eventually turn out to be a criminal.

How many of the Australian immigrants, the Kiwis, the Americans, the South Africans have turned out to be criminals.
Oh they are visa applicants and not asylum seekers.
So then lets concentrate on asylum seekers.
How many of the South Africans in the days when we had people like Kader Asmal were criminals ?
How many of the Vietnamese refugees turned out to be criminals ?

Grayson wrote: »

I'm all in favor of background checks on everyone emigrating here or applying for asylum but beyond that we can't block off entire ethnic or religious groups. There are over a billion muslims in the world and some people here would be quite happy banning every single one of them because of the actions of a few.

Yes, but most of the muslim would be applicants nowadays have no necessary skills, often little if any education and are not going to add anything to the societies, sorry that should be countries, they want to enter.
They are not pushed about actually entering the societies, they want to create their own that reminds them of home.
And that is one of the key issues.

And before the usual refrain, for every doctor from Pakistan and every nurse from Malaysia you have many multiples of uneducated backwards misogynists from such notable places as Eritrea, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc, etc.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hmmmmmmmmm, might want to ask the Brazilian woman that I linked earlier. Arrived with a tourist visa, suspected of coming to work, arrested, detained, then sent home.

My solution. Arrest anyone without the correct documentation and hold them until such a time as it can be ascertained why they are here, where they have come from and if they have any right to be here.

Now wouldn't that sound like common sense ?

But some folks in the modern world actually think people have a right to go anywhere they want.

Hence all the uproar about Trump actually wanting to build a wall on the US southern border to prevent people and drugs/weapons from being trafficed into and out of his country.

jmayo

Grayson wrote: »

I can tell you 100% of the Ira were Irish. Should we kick out the entire Irish population.

You're using a weird fecked up inductive reasoning to come to a deductive conclusion.

100% of violent muslims are muslims therefore 100% of muslims are violent? Do you see how silly that sounds? Even if I changed it to
100% of violent muslims are muslim therefore 0.000000001% of muslims are violent, it still makes no sense.

There's literally no link between the premise and conclusion.

BINGO BINGO BINGO.

Congrats Grayson you have managed to shoehorn the IRA into this.
Are you the first to do so.

Now I want some points so here goes
Magadalene laundries.

seenitall

Rory28 wrote: »

nor should we have an open door policy for every tom dick and harry.

Isn't the open door something that cannot be prevented as long as there are no proper checks on the NI border?

Something tells me we ain't seen nuthin' yet - Ireland's gonna start filling up fast once the UK is out. Interesting times ahead.

Professor Moriarty

Grayson wrote: »

I can tell you 100% of the Ira were Irish. Should we kick out the entire Irish
population.


You're using a weird fecked up inductive reasoning to come to a deductive conclusion.

100% of violent muslims are muslims therefore 100% of muslims are violent? Do you see how silly that sounds? Even if I changed it to
100% of violent muslims are muslim therefore 0.000000001% of muslims are violent, it still makes no sense.

There's literally no link between the premise and conclusion.

Allow me.

I can tell you 100% of the UVF were British. Should we kick out the entire British population?

Ulysses Gaze

I have to ask some of you posting here...

What are the benefits to the EU of letting in millions of uneducated migrants from the Third World?

We have seen from what the Germans have said that most of these migrants cannot now nor will they be capable of providing any economic value to Germany even in the medium term. Now if we add in family reunification, that will inevitably happen, that number will grow.

So we are adding more and more of a burden onto the taxpayers of a continent that will have serious issues paying for pensions in the next twenty years as the native population continues to age. And the subsistence work that many of these migrants will fall into, will need to be supported by benefits on top of what they earn anyway.

I am not anti-immigration by any means. But targeted immigration where we can fill skills gaps that Europe as a continent have not just in the short term but in the longer term once that automation train that is coming down the tracks hit us all.

Now I don't care what colour or creed skilled workers are or where they come from. But I'd prefer if we, as a country and Europe as a continent, prioritised getting in highly skilled workers who will benefit our economies straight away.

Not people that we will spend millions on to try and upskill and find that many cannot or do not want to be.

Grayson

Rory28 wrote: »

The few is not a small number. Lets assume its 10% of the muslim population. Thats 100million people. Hardly a few.

I agree with your point tho we shouldnt close up shop out of fear but nor should we have an open door policy for every tom dick and harry.

Let's assume it's 0.0000000000000001%. See, i can assume a made up figure too.
Seriously though, the number of muslims who want to strap a bomb to their chest is nowhere near 10%. It's nowhere near 1%.

And the point I make continuously is that you can't blame the many for the actions of a few.

Personally I think we should be taking as many refugees from camps as we can. When they're there they have already completed a feck load of background checks.

Grayson

jmayo wrote: »

BINGO BINGO BINGO.

Congrats Grayson you have managed to shoehorn the IRA into this.
Are you the first to do so.

Now I want some points so here goes
Magadalene laundries.

Come on. The point is that it's a pointless comparison. You've completely ignored the part where I said so.

weldoninhio

Grayson wrote: »

Let's assume it's 0.0000000000000001%. See, i can assume a made up figure too.
Seriously though, the number of muslims who want to strap a bomb to their chest is nowhere near 10%. It's nowhere near 1%.

And the point I make continuously is that you can't blame the many for the actions of a few.

Personally I think we should be taking as many refugees from camps as we can. When they're there they have already completed a feck load of background checks.

Here's an idea Mother Theresa, how about you heading out to the camps if you feel so strongly about helping?? Thats the thing about the bleeding hearts, they want US, the collective, to help, but when put on the spot about their own personal contributions they are shown up. Same with Liam Cunningham, Lily Allen et al.

Rory28

Grayson wrote: »

Let's assume it's 0.0000000000000001%. See, i can assume a made up figure too.
Seriously though, the number of muslims who want to strap a bomb to their chest is nowhere near 10%. It's nowhere near 1%.

And the point I make continuously is that you can't blame the many for the actions of a few.

Personally I think we should be taking as many refugees from camps as we can. When they're there they have already completed a feck load of background checks.

I think 10% is being generous honestly. When you see protests calling for cartoonist to be beheaded by the "moderates" then you have to admit there is at least a small problem.

Odhinn

jmayo wrote: »

How many of the South Africans in the days when we had people like Kader Asmal were criminals ?
How many of the Vietnamese refugees turned out to be criminals ?

.

From 1989
"With over 400 Vietnamese now in Ireland, they still face many challenges with many still largely dependent on state support to survive."
http://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1665-immigration/370205-vietnamese-refugees-in-ireland/
Put them back on the boats, I say.

end of the road

mfceiling wrote: »

Which border? The one between NI and ROI or the actual border of GB?

Surely if they pull out of Europe they'll have a stringent border control for GB? I wouldn't be too sure what the situation will be between NI and ROI though.

my reference was in relation to gb itself as i don't know myself how the ROI/NI border will go yet.
not a chance will they pay for a fully functioning and fully resourced border control in gb though. they might farm it out to g4s alright but i'd say that would be their lot.

Ash.J.Williams

ardinn wrote: »

I was admitted to st vincents monday morning - i'm pretty sure the accused was here - in a room with 4 guards - strapped to a bed - moaning loudly, in serious pain - but not normal - Like - Like he was down syndrome, and moaning every few seconds (sorry for using that comparison but its all I could think of)

Guy looks nutterballs!!!

WOW! We'll hear soon enough

Will I Am Not

Grayson wrote: »

Let's assume it's 0.0000000000000001%. See, i can assume a made up figure too.
Seriously though, the number of muslims who want to strap a bomb to their chest is nowhere near 10%. It's nowhere near 1%.

And the point I make continuously is that you can't blame the many for the actions of a few.

Personally I think we should be taking as many refugees from camps as we can. When they're there they have already completed a feck load of background checks.

To use your favourite go to...
The number of Irish men willing to kill and maim for their terrorist cause was minuscule compared to the number of supporters they had.

10000maniacs

Grayson wrote: »

Personally I think we should be taking as many refugees from camps as we can. When they're there they have already completed a feck load of background checks.

So what's your plan? Set up a tent city in the Curragh?
Move them to the top of the housing list over the current homeless?
This is the typical socialist attitude at work here.
Peter Sutherland used to say the same thing from his £5 million pad in Kensington. As did Geldof and Bono.
How about a tent city in Bono's back garden?
Or a tent village in your back garden?

pilly

jmayo wrote: »

Even if it is not terrorism it is not something we want in our country.

We have enough problems and issues without adding young men with gripes who believe hacking strangers to death in unprovoked attacks is a way to go.

All one has to do is look to our continental neighbours and see how unprovoked violent incidents and sexual assaults have increased due to the introduction of the unverifiable migrants.

Even in Ireland over the last few years have had some sickening violent sexual attacks, even worse on vulnerable individuals, carried out by so called asylum seekers.







Are these the headlines we want ?

And if you do a search across Europe there is a sickening litany of violent gang rapes and assaults carried out by asylum seekers.

And before the usual excusitory muppets fire up, yes we all know that there are homegrown depraved individuals in our country already.

But why the fook are some in such a hurry to add to them ?

I'm no excusatory muppet (lovely use of words).

However, I am going to answer your question for you.

Unless we lock ourselves away in a little box and never answer the door then people are going to come in. It's reality, if you don't like it perhaps you should go live in North Korea.

You know there are more people of Irish descent abroad than there are currently living in Ireland. You can rest assured that a certain percentage of them are criminals. If we hadn't exported all them we'd be fcuked altogether.

jmayo

weldoninhio wrote: »

Here's an idea Mother Theresa, how about you heading out to the camps if you feel so strongly about helping?? Thats the thing about the bleeding hearts, they want US, the collective, to help, but when put on the spot about their own personal contributions they are shown up. Same with Liam Cunningham, Lily Allen et al.

To drag in another favourite group of one side and much mistrusted of the other, it is like the case of the positioning of halting sites for travellers.
Lots of people demand that local authorities create housing and sites for travellers, but watch the tune change if they happened to be sited anywhere near them.
Nobody ever wants them in their backyard, some of us (now labelled as the racist right wingers) are just honest and upfront about it.

Most of the cheerleaders for taking in refugees are never going to have to compete with them for housing, for menial low paid jobs, for places in education or healthcare.

Odhinn wrote: »

From 1989
"With over 400 Vietnamese now in Ireland, they still face many challenges with many still largely dependent on state support to survive."
http://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1665-immigration/370205-vietnamese-refugees-in-ireland/
Put them back on the boats, I say.

Now can you please give us an indication as to how many sexual assaults were carried out by the boat people ?
And how many unprovoked attacks they carried out in any of the countries that took them in ?

pilly wrote: »

I'm no excusatory muppet (lovely use of words).

However, I am going to answer your question for you.

Unless we lock ourselves away in a little box and never answer the door then people are going to come in. It's reality, if you don't like it perhaps you should go live in North Korea.

Most sensible right minded people keep the door shut and only let people in who they can verify as being who they say they are and which have provided adequate knowledge about their background.

Muppets on the other hand leave the door wide open and let every tom, dick and mary in and then expect a happy clappy outcome.

pilly wrote: »

You know there are more people of Irish descent abroad than there are currently living in Ireland. You can rest assured that a certain percentage of them are criminals. If we hadn't exported all them we'd be fcuked altogether.

Ah yes another one of the bingo staples.
"Sure weren't we emigrants and didn't we move abroad to the four corners of the world".
Yes we Irish did move all over the world, often not through our own choice, through necessity and for survival.
It is only recently through choice.

And yes some have been criminals, although in the early days we were incorrectly labelled as such by our British colonial masters or by their Anglo Saxon protestant offspring as in Australia, Canada and USA.

And yes we did get treated like shyte for a long time by the natives.
But did we go around slaughtering them ?
No, we fooking ended up building their countries, fighting and dying for them in their wars.

And over time we have contributed greatly to the nations we emigrated to and helped build them into the states they have become.

Odhinn

jmayo wrote: »

Now can you please give us an indication as to how many sexual assaults were carried out by the boat people ?
And how many unprovoked attacks they carried out in any of the countries that took them in ?

You're the one making the claims about attacks and/or the lack of, its down to you to provide the statistics.

recedite

Odhinn wrote: »

From 1989
"With over 400 Vietnamese now in Ireland, they still face many challenges with many still largely dependent on state support to survive."
http://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1665-immigration/370205-vietnamese-refugees-in-ireland/
Put them back on the boats, I say.

I love how you have to pretend to be your stereotyical right wing extremist racist, to make up for the fact that there isn't anyone of that description posting here.

But lets indulge you for a moment. Was there one single European citizen killed by the Vietnamese boat people who were given a new start in Europe?

Odhinn

recedite wrote: »

I love how you have to pretend to be your stereotyical right wing extremist racist, to make up for the fact that there isn't anyone of that description posting here.

But lets indulge you for a moment. Was there one single European citizen killed by the Vietnamese boat people who were given a new start in Europe?

I suppose because theres no boat these don't count?

"In Berlin, the trial of Le Duy Bao, 26, leader of the Ngoc Thien gang, known as “The Merciful” is still underway for the merciless way in which he tortured and killed his enemies. Together with 15 members of his gang, he is on trial for conducting a reign of terror on the streets of the German capital between 1992 and 1996.

The charges include murder, blackmail and extortion, mostly linked to Berlin’s illicit smuggled cigarette trade, controlled by Vietnamese. At hand are 32 defense lawyers – attempting to use every delaying tactic and procedural loophole in the book, three public prosecutors 13 interpreters and nine judges."

"Smuggling from Poland to Germany expanded after the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989 and was controlled by North Vietnamese who had lived for years in East Germany as contract workers. They claimed political asylum and began to move to the cities, particularly Berlin. The lucky ones found jobs in the restaurant trade or as hawkers, while those without jobs became prime targets for recruitment into the illicit cigarette trade."
http://www.ipsnews.net/1998/03/europe-vietnamese-criminal-gangs-could-resurface/

"VIETNAMESE and Lithuanian gangs are highly active in drug and property crime in Ireland, according to an EU police report."
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/icrime/foreign-gangs-highly-active-here-says-report-153487.html

Professor Moriarty

Odhinn wrote: »

I suppose because theres no boat these don't count?

"In Berlin, the trial of Le Duy Bao, 26, leader of the Ngoc Thien gang, known as “The Merciful” is still underway for the merciless way in which he tortured and killed his enemies. Together with 15 members of his gang, he is on trial for conducting a reign of terror on the streets of the German capital between 1992 and 1996.

The charges include murder, blackmail and extortion, mostly linked to Berlin’s illicit smuggled cigarette trade, controlled by Vietnamese. At hand are 32 defense lawyers – attempting to use every delaying tactic and procedural loophole in the book, three public prosecutors 13 interpreters and nine judges."

"Smuggling from Poland to Germany expanded after the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989 and was controlled by North Vietnamese who had lived for years in East Germany as contract workers. They claimed political asylum and began to move to the cities, particularly Berlin. The lucky ones found jobs in the restaurant trade or as hawkers, while those without jobs became prime targets for recruitment into the illicit cigarette trade."
http://www.ipsnews.net/1998/03/europe-vietnamese-criminal-gangs-could-resurface/

"VIETNAMESE and Lithuanian gangs are highly active in drug and property crime in Ireland, according to an EU police report."
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/icrime/foreign-gangs-highly-active-here-says-report-153487.html

There are 100 Muslims for every Vietnamese boat person in Ireland.

recedite

Odhinn wrote: »

I suppose because theres no boat these don't count?

That's right, they don't count as refugees if they are illegal immigrants who have been trafficked in.
It is well known that there are illegal Vietnamese in Ireland working as cannabis gardeners. These are people who have experience of growing cannabis in their home country and are trafficked into Ireland. They sit in a suburban house which has been converted into a growhouse. Usually they don't speak English, have their passports confiscated by the gangs, are told never to leave the house, and have no contact with the outside world except for a guy who drops in food now and again. They probably aren't even aware that growing cannabis is illegal in Ireland.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the boat people who were invited here, and subsequently blended in to become good Irish citizens.

Asus X540L

The usual leftard suspects on Facebook completely silent over this, as expected.

If it was some 'gay' muslim Palestinian got knifed in Dublin by a white cis Irishman you'd never hear the end of it.

Also, I'm friends with a few cultural marxist morons on FB, but a lot of decent people as well and after I shared the GoFundMe of the repatriation I didn't get a single like or comment on it, which is a little disturbing.

Del.Monte

Odhinn wrote: »

I suppose because theres no boat these don't count?

"In Berlin, the trial of Le Duy Bao, 26, leader of the Ngoc Thien gang, known as “The Merciful” is still underway for the merciless way in which he tortured and killed his enemies. Together with 15 members of his gang, he is on trial for conducting a reign of terror on the streets of the German capital between 1992 and 1996.

The charges include murder, blackmail and extortion, mostly linked to Berlin’s illicit smuggled cigarette trade, controlled by Vietnamese. At hand are 32 defense lawyers – attempting to use every delaying tactic and procedural loophole in the book, three public prosecutors 13 interpreters and nine judges."

"Smuggling from Poland to Germany expanded after the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989 and was controlled by North Vietnamese who had lived for years in East Germany as contract workers. They claimed political asylum and began to move to the cities, particularly Berlin. The lucky ones found jobs in the restaurant trade or as hawkers, while those without jobs became prime targets for recruitment into the illicit cigarette trade."
http://www.ipsnews.net/1998/03/europe-vietnamese-criminal-gangs-could-resurface/

"VIETNAMESE and Lithuanian gangs are highly active in drug and property crime in Ireland, according to an EU police report."
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/icrime/foreign-gangs-highly-active-here-says-report-153487.html

Well that illuminating report from 7 (!) years ago just serves to underline why we need to have proper border controls in place and not allow in low-lifes from other EU countries or further afield.

Odhinn

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

There are 100 Muslims for every Vietnamese boat person in Ireland.

We're doomed...doomed.