Looks like the teachers aren't so lazy...

nice_guy80

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2017/1205/925015-literacy-reading-study/

3rd in the World in Literacy. Nice early xmas present for Irish primary school teachers.

I await the congratulations from all those who have disparaged teachers on the AH forum.

Well done to all the hard working teachers.

In what is the world's largest comparative study of reading achievement among primary school pupils, no other EU or OECD country has achieved a score higher than Ireland's, and just two countries, Singapore and the Russian Federation, emerge significantly ahead of us.

SeanHarty

You'll be waiting a while, teachers do so much work its unreal. Pity people don't see that and just bash them for their holidays.

Makes you wonder why they have such a handy number and more people don't do it rather than give out.

TheIrishGrover

I know.... All that work!!!! and in only 6 months a year???!!!!???!!!

super_furry

Read between the lines here folks.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I think the standard of primary teaching in Ireland is exceptionally good. I think it is more that secondary schools seem to attract more of the 'bad egg' teachers.

I also think women are way over represented in the teaching profession and that is the biggest problem it is currently facing.

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nice_guy80 wrote: »

3rd in the World in Literacy.

Yeah, you might want to READ that again :pac:

Bob Harris

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I think the standard of primary teaching in Ireland is exceptionally good. I think it is more that secondary schools seem to attract more of the 'bad egg' teachers.

I also think women are way over represented in the teaching profession and that is the biggest problem it is currently facing.

Maybe it's because there are so many women in primary teaching explains why it's doing so well?

Fr_Dougal

However the data also reveals an strong cultural attachment here to reading, with Irish parents playing a key role in their children's impressive performance.

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gctest50

nice_guy80 wrote: »

3rd in the World

There is no " 3rd place" - only second loser



& "significantly"

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Singapore and the Russian Federation, emerge significantly ahead of us.

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gctest50 wrote: »

There is no " 3rd place" - only second loser



& "significantly"

Misread it all you like, Ireland came fourth.

ThisRegard

The phonics method of teaching kids the sounds of letters and letter combinations over words themselves is amazing at teaching young kids the skill of being able to make a great effort of pronouncing any word they've never seen before.

The_Kew_Tour

it's like saying well done to the postman for delivering the post.

how many will be able to speak Irish or French when they are 18? very few I say.

nice_guy80

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

it's like saying well done to the postman for delivering the post.

how many will be able to speak Irish or French when they are 18? very few I say.

who said anything about Irish or French?
are they teaching Irish in Singapore or Russia?

suicide_circus

They work hard and i wouldn't do their job

The holidays are an unbelievably handy number

Both these statements are true

Mickeroo

Third? Good effort but can do better.

nice_guy80

gctest50 wrote: »

There is no " 3rd place" - only second loser



& "significantly"

they have 3rd place in the World Cup.

I copied that section from the rte website.

Pupils need longer holidays too. They get very tired an unable to work in school

The_Kew_Tour

nice_guy80 wrote: »

who said anything about Irish or French?
are they teaching Irish in Singapore or Russia?

well no good in been great at 10 if come out crap at18.

not sure I doubt it.

Billy86

gctest50 wrote: »

There is no " 3rd place" - only second loser

OK you calm down now, Ricky Bobby.

Pelvis

I wonder what the literacy rate is among the teachers?

suicide_circus

Mickeroo wrote: »

Third? Good effort but can do better.

Chrongen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

it's like saying well done to the postman for delivering the post.

how many will be able to speak Irish or French when they are 18? very few I say.

All of them. You HAVE to be able to speak Irish to do the Inter Cert (and that's at age 15) and while few will be fluent and a certain percentage will probably fail lower level Irish the majority will have a functioning verbal grasp of the language.

Chrongen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

well no good in been great at 10 if come out crap at18.

not sure I doubt it.

And what are your chances of being not crap at 18 if your were also crap at 10?

Great at 10 then I'd take 50/50 odds you'll be great at 18.

Crap at 10 then I'd bet the farm you're still going to suck at 18.

Your Face

i luv lituritzie

Deise Vu

nice_guy80 wrote: »

they have 3rd place in the World Cup.

I copied that section from the rte website.

Pupils need longer holidays too. They get very tired an unable to work in school

That old chestnut. I asked my teacher brother-in-law at the weekend was it unusual that my son had already finished his Christmas Exams. I was surprised considering that holiday mode will now inevitably kick in and they seem barely back in school after the mid-term. His answer was straight to the point: "You hardly expect teachers to correct papers during the holidays do you?".

I suppose he is right, I do have very low expectations of teachers.

average_runner

Its not just down to the schools, its also down to alot of the work parents but in with their kids at home. Its a joint effort.

Now if primary schools just had a clue about physical exercise it be great.

My daughter got a low grade for physical exercise, I asked the teacher is there something wrong here, as my daughter does hockey, swimming, gaa etc and loves sport.

Her answer was she just seems bored and not interested in jumping up and down on the spot:rolleyes:

SeanHarty

Deise Vu wrote: »

That old chestnut. I asked my teacher brother-in-law at the weekend was it unusual that my son had already finished his Christmas Exams. I was surprised considering that holiday mode will now inevitably kick in and they seem barely back in school after the mid-term. His answer was straight to the point: "You hardly expect teachers to correct papers during the holidays do you?".

I suppose he is right, I do have very low expectations of teachers.

if you have such low expectations of teachers why don't you home school your kids?

I mean I'm sure your kids are the most important thing to you so why wouldn't you put some effort into giving them a proper education if the one they get off current teachers isn't up to scratch?

or are you just lazy and would rather give out than take action?

Deise Vu

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if you have such low expectations of teachers why don't you home school your kids?

I mean I'm sure your kids are the most important thing to you so why wouldn't you put some effort into giving them a proper education if the one they get off current teachers isn't up to scratch?

or are you just lazy and would rather give out than take action?

Like a lot of (very) concerned parents I effectively do home school my kids. After I have done one of my 232 days 8-10 hours work. I do the maths, science, and business studies stuff, my wife does the rest. Unfortunately I have to work to eat or I would certainly be able to do a better job than 90% of the jobsworths who call themselves teachers but prefer to moan about the curriculum, the Department, the school board, the pupils and those pesky parents.

I'd be embarrassed if my kids couldn't read or write before they start school.

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Deise Vu wrote: »

Like a lot of (very) concerned parents I effectively do home school my kids. After I have done one of my 232 days 8-10 hours work. I do the maths, science, and business studies stuff, my wife does the rest. Unfortunately I have to work to eat or I would certainly be able to do a better job than 90% of the jobsworths who call themselves teachers but prefer to moan about the curriculum, the Department, the school board, the pupils and those pesky parents.

What a ridiculous post.

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And their social skills?

endacl

nice_guy80 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2017/1205/925015-literacy-reading-study/

3rd in the World in Literacy. Nice early xmas present for Irish primary school teachers.

I await the congratulations from all those who have disparaged teachers on the AH forum.

Well done to all the hard working teachers.

In what is the world's largest comparative study of reading achievement among primary school pupils, no other EU or OECD country has achieved a score higher than Ireland's, and just two countries, Singapore and the Russian Federation, emerge significantly ahead of us.

Paging maryishere...

:pac:

meeeeh

I think literacy teaching in Ireland is probably fairly good (unlike languages for example) but I wonder if the gap narrows in later years. Kids in countries like Finland don't start learning to read till they are 7.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population

freshpopcorn

Deise Vu wrote: »

That old chestnut. I asked my teacher brother-in-law at the weekend was it unusual that my son had already finished his Christmas Exams. I was surprised considering that holiday mode will now inevitably kick in and they seem barely back in school after the mid-term. His answer was straight to the point: "You hardly expect teachers to correct papers during the holidays do you?".

I suppose he is right, I do have very low expectations of teachers.

In my local town the secondary schools run the 3rd/6th year Christmas exams at the end of November. This allow the students to have more of a break until there pre exams and it allows them to work on the areas they need to over Christmas because they get the results before Christmas.
All other exams in the school happen in the week before Christmas and most teachers correct them over Christmas!

SeanHarty

Deise Vu wrote: »

Like a lot of (very) concerned parents I effectively do home school my kids. After I have done one of my 232 days 8-10 hours work. I do the maths, science, and business studies stuff, my wife does the rest. Unfortunately I have to work to eat or I would certainly be able to do a better job than 90% of the jobsworths who call themselves teachers but prefer to moan about the curriculum, the Department, the school board, the pupils and those pesky parents.

If 90% of the teachers in your children's schools are that bad then I feel very sorry for you but that's not the norm in this country and maybe you need to look at yourself and what you expect from the teachers and at what level you think your kids are at or should be at? Maybe your expectations are to high or maybe the kids are late bloomers. I went to a school where I can honestly say I had one "bad teacher" and even he was just an arse hole.

nice_guy80

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

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I completely agree
parents are key
its a co-operative effort

but so many parents don't bother.
If they did we could be first in literacy for 10 year olds! Finally Ireland winning something!
We could finally stick it to Putin and co. And those damn Singaporeans. (also, both those countries exclude children with learning difficulties from all testing)

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nice_guy80 wrote: »

I completely agree
parents are key
its a co-operative effort

but so many parents don't bother.
If they did we could be first in literacy for 10 year olds! Finally Ireland winning something!
We could finally stick it to Putin and co. And those damn Singaporeans. (also, both those countries exclude children with learning difficulties from all testing)

Totally agree, this is not all down to us being super parents.

Secondly, I would not believe a test result from Mother Russia even if it was overseen by the UN.

For Forks Sake

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Secondly, I would not believe a test result from Mother Russia even if it was overseen by the UN.

In Soviet Russia, book reads you.

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Ireland has a large immigrant population. If we were suffering and down the lists you would blame the teaching of Irish.

We do home-school our kids, and they're far ahead of children in both public and private schools. They're especially ahead of their cousins in primary school in Ireland.

We will take your word for it, I’m sure.

Romantic Rose

meeeeh wrote: »

I think literacy teaching in Ireland is probably fairly good (unlike languages for example) but I wonder if the gap narrows in later years. Kids in countries like Finland don't start learning to read till they are 7.

Children in Finland start school at an older age than here and they are in classes which average 17 pupils the whole way up the school.

I would love a class of 17 children. How much work would you get done with them and how much 1-1 attention would each child get.

StinkyMunkey

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Any child receiving one on one teaching will always do a lot better than the average child.

Your situation obviously differs from the vast majority of people, being in the position to home school your children, Add the fact that not everyone has to aptitude to teach as well.

If teaching is so easy, why don't more people take it up. It's a career, and not an easy one at that.

Teaching is a necessity for our children not a luxury.

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Rubberchikken

Its not something to be proud of.
A teacher has a job to do. Some dont do it very well. Some skate by abd the short school year takes care of many noticing.
Why such a big deal on reading? By the time they enter secondary, how good are kids at reading novels, maths, music, science whatever?

No, im not impressed with the statistic nor the quality of irish teachers.

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nice_guy80

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Its not something to be proud of.
A teacher has a job to do. Some dont do it very well. Some skate by abd the short school year takes care of many noticing.
Why such a big deal on reading? By the time they enter secondary, how good are kids at reading novels, maths, music, science whatever?

No, im not impressed with the statistic nor the quality of irish teachers.

reading is the foundation of everything
even the ancient Sumerians understood this when they came up with the cuneiform alphabet in 4000BC

of course home schooled kids can be more advanced. its almost 1-to-1.
most parents don't have that luxury

nice_guy80

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Honestly, it isn't that difficult, especially at a young age. Talking to your children, explaining things to them, showing them how to do things, taking time and patience with them -- these are things that almost any parent can do.

Unfortunately, too many parents leave education to the "experts" in government-run schools, which almost always guarantees mediocre outcomes.[/quote]
teachers are merely in "loco parentis"
parents should be the main educators
unfortunately sometimes "the experts" have to make up the for parental deficiencies.
like teaching a child how to put on a coat. or 25 children.

nice_guy80

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Honestly, it isn't that difficult, especially at a young age. Talking to your children, explaining things to them, showing them how to do things, taking time and patience with them -- these are things that almost any parent can do.

Unfortunately, too many parents leave education to the "experts" in government-run schools, which almost always guarantees mediocre outcomes.[/quote]
teachers are merely in "loco parentis"
parents should be the main educators
unfortunately sometimes "the experts" have to make up the for parental deficiencies.
like teaching a child how to put on a coat. or 25 children.

eviltwin

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Most parents don't really have any other choice.

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