Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

muckwarrior

Conservatory wrote: »

He had bad luck with a crash. I think he would have passed ocon again like last weekwithout it. I think his car is set up slightly slower than ocon to play to his tyre saving strengths.

I think Perez is an above average driver and sometimes doesn't deserve the stick he gets, but you're taking fanboyism to such a level that I'm starting to think you're trolling.

ELM327

Conservatory wrote: »

So are you saying Alonso must be past it now being ina big team and all.

Alonso is in his last few years at this point, is probably on his day still the best driver on the grid and certainly in the top 3. He'd be a clear upgrade on anyone except Vettel and maybe the crybaby (44). Alonso has been there and done it all.



Perez has done nothing.

Conservatory

ELM327 wrote: »

Alonso is in his last few years at this point, is probably on his day still the best driver on the grid and certainly in the top 3. He'd be a clear upgrade on anyone except Vettel and maybe the crybaby (44). Alonso has been there and done it all.



Perez has done nothing.

But you say he got a chance in a big team. The same horror show type team Alonso is in now.

ELM327

Conservatory wrote: »

But you say he got a chance in a big team. The same horror show type team Alonso is in now.

Yeah perez is brilliant ok

he should run for president

Joeface

Cannot believe they gave Perez the last points place , I only have the recorded TV footage and it just looks like 50/50 battle , not a clean over take but still an over take . Really harsh decision considering the other impacts that happened during the race . Sainz and Roman impact was seen as just a racing incident and also the contact between Roman and KMag was a racing Incident .

maybe the extra footage F1 stewards have shows something different .

I will add , they Gave Gasly 2 more points on his license ...very harsh

Inviere

Perez is a solid driver, not quite elite, but solid. His biggest flaw is his inability to drive for the team, and instead drives hotheadedly for himself.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/7/alonso-boosted-by-mclaren-progress-at-silverstone.html

Some mad stuff from Mag here, Alonso was lucky to not lose it on the grass. He enjoyed getting past him anyway.

meeeeh

Adamocovic wrote: »

I get things are said in the heat of the moment but Wolff, Lauda, and Lewis are all experienced within the sport and should be well used to it at this stage.

They also must be aware that people have this complaint about them whining quite a bit yet still played into it.

Fair enough putting your hand up and saying it was said in the heat of the moment and you over-reacted, and apologies if they did, but from what I've heard and read they made all these thinly veiled accusations of it being deliberately planned and done by Ferrari, then came out denying that is what they meant to save face.

I think we are starting to see Mercedes under pressure. They were looking at the block of races and knew that Lewis is excellent in Canada and that France, Austria and Silvrestone suit their car. Instead of 4 wins they got one and the rest was pretty big mess due to technical and tactical troubles, drivers clocking out (Lewis in Canada) and racing incidents. Last four years they had relatively easy ride (last years Mercedes was better than Ferrari) so there was no pressure on the team where cracks could show. It will last at least till August and then the boys in Marinello will go on holidays and Merc will use the time to develop the car.

skipper_G

Inviere wrote: »

Perez is a solid driver, not quite elite, but solid. His biggest flaw is his inability to drive for the team, and instead drives hotheadedly for himself.

You see I just can't agree with that statement, for a guy who's not a team player he's done some job for Force India consistently scoring points and podiums. What more is required to be a team player ?

I actually think it's another perfect example of the bias that's swashing around this place. Since he came together with Ocon at Spa it wouldn't matter to many people if he walked on water, he's tarred for life as a pay driver. People don't care to look at the facts, ie; his results.

Inviere

skipper_G wrote: »

You see I just can't agree with that statement, for a guy who's not a team player he's done some job for Force India consistently scoring points and podiums. What more is required to be a team player ?

His hard-nosed refusal to obey team orders springs to mind. He drives for himself imo.

I actually think it's another perfect example of the bias that's swashing around this place. Since he came together with Ocon at Spa it wouldn't matter to many people if he walked on water, he's tarred for life as a pay driver. People don't care to look at the facts, ie; his results.

The bad spell Perez and Ocon went through didn't do either of them any favours, but for me, his arguing with the team over an order was more damaging to him.

Sterling Archer

Joeface wrote: »

Cannot believe they gave Perez the last points place , I only have the recorded TV footage and it just looks like 50/50 battle , not a clean over take but still an over take . Really harsh decision considering the other impacts that happened during the race . Sainz and Roman impact was seen as just a racing incident and also the contact between Roman and KMag was a racing Incident .

maybe the extra footage F1 stewards have shows something different .

I will add , they Gave Gasly 2 more points on his license ...very harsh

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El_Duderino 09

Shane_ef wrote: »

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Great bit of footage.

In the first corner it looks like gasley lost control and hit Peres. To be fair, he had to use all the kerb and a bit more so he had no chance of braking effectively. So that has to be gasley’s fault for diving down the inside and hitting the man on the outside. But I’d like to know if he was legitimately alongside Peres and he didn’t leave him room.

The second corner is a non event. Peres understeered wide before gasley even reached the apex.

The penalty must be for the first corner but could have been a racing incident.

Jordan 199

So two more races to go before the summer break. I think a Mercedes or Ferrari driver will win at Hockenheim. As for the Hungaroring, I wouldn't rule out a Red Bull victory there.

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vectra

Jordan 199 wrote: »

So two more races to go before the summer break. I think a Mercedes or Ferrari driver will win at Hockenheim. As for the Hungaroring, I wouldn't rule out a Red Bull victory there.

I can see Ferrari winning at least the next 3 races.

Inviere

vectra wrote: »

I can see Ferrari winning at least the next 3 races.

Their reliability has been pretty good thus far. How are Seb & Kimi in terms of components used? I'm half wondering if they'll have a poor second half of the season when reliability inevitably becomes an issue (as it will for others also).

vectra

Inviere wrote: »

Their reliability has been pretty good thus far. How are Seb & Kimi in terms of components used? I'm half wondering if they'll have a poor second half of the season when reliability inevitably becomes an issue (as it will for others also).

As far as I am aware Vettel got the upgraded power unit in Canada
Kimi is still running the older power unit as he got that as race or 2 earlier. ( as far as I am aware )
So the upgraded unit seems to be good for Seb,
I wonder will Kimi have it for Spa?

Inviere

vectra wrote: »

As far as I am aware Vettel got the upgraded power unit in Canada
Kimi is still running the older power unit as he got that as race or 2 earlier. ( as far as I am aware )
So the upgraded unit seems to be good for Seb,
I wonder will Kimi have it for Spa?

I will say, it's a fair point you raise that Kimi is on the old spec unit, when comparing against Vettel. That considered, he's doing a very decent job.

vectra

Inviere wrote: »

I will say, it's a fair point you raise that Kimi is on the old spec unit, when comparing against Vettel. That considered, he's doing a very decent job.

I cannot be 100% certain on the power unit usage.
I am sure there is a site somewhere that shows who has used what so far.
But I will check.

** Edit,
As far as I can make out Kimi's engine was replaced after Friday practice in Spain.
Hie engine should have lasted until after Monaco which Vettels one did,
So Kimi got the old engine and Vettel got the upgraded one.
Ate that rate Kimi is not far off getting his replacment?

Frank Bullitt

Pretty sure that all the Ferrari powered cars on the grid now have been using the latest spec engine that Ferrari offer for a few races now. Raikkonen has actually used more components having used an extra TC at some point. SO he isn't at a disadvantage to Vettel with his car in terms of performance from a technical point.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/engine-rules-2021-limbo-porsche-absence-1058040/

While we are on engines...the proposed rule changes for 2021 look to be on thin ice, as the current crop of manufactures see no reason to change them as there are no new entrants to the sport.

Brilliant...

"All four currently in F1 engaged OEMs would have given their preference, with an understanding from our side that we maybe need a bit more noise, and a discussion around fuel consumption that's important.

"But just for the benefit of redesigning an engine without anybody else entering doesn't make a lot of sense.

"So if somebody would commit to come into F1 in the way that we have committed ourselves, all four of us have committed ourselves, go through the lows and highs, the expenses and investment that it needs, then let's discuss engine regulations. But if nobody's inside, it's an academic discussion."

I can only see the status quo continuing so. Not sure if RB would be as pleased with this, part of the new rules were to drop the MGU-H, which is apparently the weak point of the Honda package.

Long live 2-tier F1...

skipper_G

vectra wrote: »

I cannot be 100% certain on the power unit usage.
I am sure there is a site somewhere that shows who has used what so far.
But I will check.

** Edit,
As far as I can make out Kimi's engine was replaced after Friday practice in Spain.
Hie engine should have lasted until after Monaco which Vettels one did,
So Kimi got the old engine and Vettel got the upgraded one.
Ate that rate Kimi is not far off getting his replacment?

They may yet give him a new engine for Germany, because the 2nd one has now done 6 races. Aside from the ICE being a different spec Kimi has also used 1 more turbocharger than Vettel. I imagine they might be planning a tactical engine penalty at some point to get him a 4th unit which should cover him until the end of the season.

vectra

Gintonious wrote: »

Pretty sure that all the Ferrari powered cars on the grid now have been using the latest spec engine that Ferrari offer for a few races now. Raikkonen has actually used more components having used an extra TC at some point. SO he isn't at a disadvantage to Vettel with his car in terms of performance from a technical point.

If Kimi got his "new" engine in France, this was before the power upgrade,
No?

Inviere

Gintonious wrote: »

Long live 2-tier F1...

FFS, as much as I credit the MGH-H for it's innovation, it seems to have really put manufacturers off coming in due to its complexity and cost. While no new entrants have applied with the proposed rules, it doesn't mean F1 should say "feck it", and continue to discourage new entrants. I was really hoping to see the back of the MGU-H

Frank Bullitt

vectra wrote: »

If Kimi got his "new" engine in France, this was before the power upgrade,
No?

The upgrade came in Canada though. So if he got the upgrade it would have been what he got in France.

Joeface

even if Kimi was to take an engine penalty , is it really an penalty given the difference between the front runners and the Midfield its really just a 3 to 4 lap delay. what ever Engine Kimi is running doesnt matter too much either but Ferrari need Kimi to actually win a race or 2 and pile some more pressure on Mercedes as it adds a second title challenger into the mix .

Inviere

Joeface wrote: »

even if Kimi was to take an engine penalty , is it really an penalty given the difference between the front runners and the Midfield its really just a 3 to 4 lap delay. what ever Engine Kimi is running doesnt matter too much either but Ferrari need Kimi to actually win a race or 2 and pile some more pressure on Mercedes as it adds a second title challenger into the mix .

It'd matter more at certain tracks where it's harder to pass. Silverstone gave excellent overtaking opportunities, which favoured Hamilton from the back. Where to take the penalty is more crucial

skipper_G

vectra wrote: »

If Kimi got his "new" engine in France, this was before the power upgrade,
No?

You're correct, Ferrari brought the upgraded spec ICE for Canada. Kimi had already taken a new ICE at Spain so he did not receive an upgraded spec ICE. He has used 2 of his allotted 3, both old spec. He is due an upgraded spec ICE, probably at Germany.

skipper_G

Inviere wrote: »

It'd matter more at certain tracks where it's harder to pass. Silverstone gave excellent overtaking opportunities, which favoured Hamilton from the back. Where to take the penalty is more crucial

Spa a likely choice? They will want a clean weekend for Monza

vectra

Gintonious wrote: »

The upgrade came in Canada though. So if he got the upgrade it would have been what he got in France.

Sorry
I meant to say Kimi got his engine change in Spain, this was prior to the upgrade for Canada.