Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

Frank Bullitt

Joeface wrote: »

i just looks like something for jousting

Reminds me of this.

El_Duderino 09

Max is still very young considering his experience. Usually experience and age go hand in hand but he’s still very young. I could see him turning it around next year and finding the line without putting 2feet over it.

With that said, I think Jos Verstappen is a scarry man. He’s determined he’s going to win his world championship by hook and or by crook. I suspect max has a touch of the Michael Jacksons about him where he never really had a childhood so he can’t really grow up. Max was in serious full time motor racing at an age when most people were acting the maggot and figuring out how to grow up.

Time will tell. I hope he finds a balance. He’s had lots of crashes but has he had a major crash yet? Like the kind of crash that might make him take stock?

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1005054988140404736

skipper_G

Anybody on here signed up for F1 fan voice?

Ireland made the top 20 countries for members

weisses

Gintonious wrote: »

The catch for RB is that he is hugely marketable for them, there is even talk of a Dutch GP now as well.

He is also only 20, so would be a tad unfair if he were to get the bullet for good at this stage.

Saying that though, he has hit someone or something at every GP so far this year, so RBs patience for him has to be wafer thin right now. If he has a clear GP this weekend and gets some points, he might be able to redeem himself. Its mad to think as well that without the mistakes he has made so far this year, he would be probably 2nd or 3rd in the standings easily. Right now he is 3 points ahead of Alonso (tells you how good Alonso is, and how bad Max is right now).

Luckily people who know what they are talking about have a different opinion

https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2018/06/mercedes-toto-wolff-would-consider-hiring-max-verstappen/

PukkaStukka

We all remember Senna's first year in Toleman and winning brilliantly in this second Grand Prix for Lotus. Thereafter his '85 season was hampered by poor decisions he made in the cockpit which ran him out of fuel whilst in the lead. To address this, the then team manager Peter Warr has the turbo boost pressure preset and the boost knob removed so Senna would keep within the limits. And this actually got Senna into the right mindset which funnily enough was espoused by Jackie Stewart that "In order to finish first then first you must finish". That's where Max has gotten it wrong - I think he needs to mature as Senna did and loose some of the aggression that perpetuates mistakes. The raw speed is certainly there but he needs to drive with the brain as much as the right foot. I've no doubt that if he does this, he may well go on to become one the finest drivers of our era.

AMKC

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1005054988140404736

They will just have to drive slower and more careful then. Haas to be at the back of the grid in the race but both cars end up in the points. That would be a good day for them.

vectra

weisses wrote: »

Luckily people who know what they are talking about have a different opinion

https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2018/06/mercedes-toto-wolff-would-consider-hiring-max-verstappen/

Consider
Could

Nothing solid in those words to be fair.

weisses

vectra wrote: »

Consider
Could

Nothing solid in those words to be fair.

Indeed ... That's why I said opinion on him despite the problems he has.

weisses

PukkaStukka wrote: »

We all remember Senna's first year in Toleman and winning brilliantly in this second Grand Prix for Lotus. Thereafter his '85 season was hampered by poor decisions he made in the cockpit which ran him out of fuel whilst in the lead. To address this, the then team manager Peter Warr has the turbo boost pressure preset and the boost knob removed so Senna would keep within the limits. And this actually got Senna into the right mindset which funnily enough was espoused by Jackie Stewart that "In order to finish first then first you must finish". That's where Max has gotten it wrong - I think he needs to mature as Senna did and loose some of the aggression that perpetuates mistakes. The raw speed is certainly there but he needs to drive with the brain as much as the right foot. I've no doubt that if he does this, he may well go on to become one the finest drivers of our era.

And don't forget Senna was 24 before he entered F1.

I do however think F1 need more aggressive drivers, without them its a complete borefest. These guys drive on the limit all the time, and sometimes they go over it ... Its inherent to the sport

chicorytip

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

With that said, I think Jos Verstappen is a scarry man. He’s determined he’s going to win his world championship by hook and or by crook. I suspect max has a touch of the Michael Jacksons about him where he never really had a childhood so he can’t really grow up. Max was in serious full time motor racing at an age when most people were acting the maggot and figuring out how to grow up.

Most F1 drivers are the sons of wealthy and ambitious fathers who bankroll their careers. Motor Racing is a very expensive pursuit so it's necessary to have serious financial backing in order to become established in the sport. Hamilton is a notable exception to this coming, as he does, from a poor background. His success is attributable to sheer persistance and determination as well as driving talent, obviously. I wouldn't be too hard on Verstappen. He seems pretty mature and level headed to me. Some of the older, less talented drivers are clearly jealous of him resulting in him receiving their unjustified criticism.

T-Maxx

Hamilton and Verstappen as teammates. Yeah that'll be entertaining.

Handbags at dawn....

skipper_G

chicorytip wrote: »

Most F1 drivers are the sons of wealthy and ambitious fathers who bankroll their careers. Motor Racing is a very expensive pursuit so it's necessary to have serious financial backing in order to become established in the sport. Hamilton is a notable exception to this coming, as he does, from a poor background. His success is attributable to sheer persistance and determination as well as driving talent, obviously. I wouldn't be too hard on Verstappen. He seems pretty mature and level headed to me. Some of the older, less talented drivers are clearly jealous of him resulting in him receiving their unjustified criticism.

That’s a misconception imo, there's less drivers than you think who come from proper wealthy backgrounds. Maybe because we think of pay drivers and associate that with money. Take Ericsson for example, his Dad was a house painter and Mam worked in a bank. Just because a driver has sponsorship doesn't mean it's Daddy's money behind them

Frank Bullitt

We basically have a 2 tier F1 now. The top 3 teams cars lapped everyone today...everyone.

skipper_G

Gintonious wrote: »

We basically have a 2 tier F1 now. The top 3 teams cars lapped everyone today...everyone.

This is the single biggest issue I have with F1, and it's not a new phenomenon. This is the legacy of Bernie's reign, the haves get more and more and the have nots are an afterthought

Burkie1203

I fell asleep around lap 50. Only just seeing the chequered flag stuff now. I've watched my last race. It's toxic. They spend billions a year to produce that rubbish.

They need ti introduce sprinklers.


The formula e earlier was far better. Pity it's such a sporadic calendar. Would watch much more of it. Only downside is the cars colour schemes are hard to distinguish from a distance

Today is a perfect example of when not to listen to the teams. Decent racing and teams not happy is how things should be. As soon as the teams are listened to everything gets boring as ****. FFS the hypersofts today were fine. Monaco should be the only one-stopper of the season. The teams won't come out and say it but they want predictable, and that really means boring.

vectra

Could anyone figure why the hell Ferrari didn't bring Kimi in for a second stop and put a set of hypers on?

Burkie1203

vectra wrote: »

Could anyone figure why the hell Ferrari didn't bring Kimi in for a second stop and put a set of hypers on?

In case Kimi knocked another mechanic down

TCP/IP

I have a question in peoples opinion who is to blame for the absolute rubbish package that McLaren has.
They seem to have pushed the blame over the years onto Honda and saying their chassis was one of the best when in fact even with a new engine package they are still very poor. In my opinion, Éric Boullier and Zak Brown are totally out of their depth and can't be the management pairing to bring this team forward. Love to know peoples thoughts.

Frank Bullitt

TCP/IP wrote: »

I have a question in peoples opinion who is to blame for the absolute rubbish package that McLaren has.
They seem to have pushed the blame over the years onto Honda and saying their chassis was one of the best when in fact even with a new engine package they are still very poor. In my opinion, Éric Boullier and Zak Brown are totally out of their depth and can't be the management pairing to bring this team forward. Love to know peoples thoughts.

Its a mixed bag of blame in my opinion.

Switching to Renault engines so late didn't help them, but they are a massive team so they should have the ability to make a compromise for that. Clearly they are better this year than they were at anytime with Honda, and the Honda in the TR is still giving issues with performance and reliability.

They need to up their game a lot, not sure how though, but they need to grab a clever technical director from somewhere to get the ball rolling. Alonso is making them look better than they are right now.

mickdw

Boullier comes across as a chancer.
Brown has his strengths and could possibly be left to Run marketing end which is where his skilled are but I'd agree that they are not the team to rescue Mclaren.
I can't take boullier seriously since the whole fake take over of lotus by Mansour ijaz and his quantum group. Boullier escorting him around the paddock, doing TV interviews with him etc when it appeared ijaz was a conman.

El_Duderino 09

vectra wrote: »

Could anyone figure why the hell Ferrari didn't bring Kimi in for a second stop and put a set of hypers on?

He was already behind so he would have had to drive the arze off it to make up for the pit stop, then overtake. Chances are he would have run out of tyres long before he actually caught up with where he was before the pit stop.

Maybe if Track temperature was very low like Baku the tyres would have lasted. But they probably thought their best bet was to stay close to the cars in front and be prepared to pounce if any of them made a mistake

Joeface

When I read comments like below ,I wonder how Mclaren are not in the same boat as williams .

"The car has a weakness this year which we have already pointed out, a low-speed-corner lack of grip," said Boullier.

"And here you have only low-speed corners, I think the highest [corner] speed is 140km/h [87mph].

Cannot claim best chassis or even good chassis when it doesnt work in low speed corners , and then turn around and blame lack of pace on the engine for the next track. Redbull have the same engine and now run pretty comfortably at the front with Mercedes and Ferrari . They cannot blame the short time they had when they swapped to the Renault engine . Toro Rosso Had the same time and they have a better handling car, And with yesterdays upgrade engine I now believe a faster car. Yes honda is not perfect but it does appear to be developing unlike what has happened with Mclaren. Honda would never have made the decision to swap engines like what they did for Gasly yesterday that when they were with Mclaren. And that actually worked for them . Start last can climbed to 11th not a bad race.

I think its only a matter of races before Force India/Mercedes catch them on points in the Constructors . Two weeks till Paul Ricard , dont think they can fix the car in any shape by then and Mercedes deliever the new engine to there partners at that race as well.

Harika

McLaren are now made to eat their best chassis statements as Alonso was back pedalling this weekend claiming it was used to motivate the team. Fair enough, still now we have the issue that two of the oldest and most prestigious F1 Teams have progressed towards the end of the grid and are outperformed by newcomers. Will they share the same fate as Tyrrell and Lotus?

Wanderer78

Harika wrote:

McLaren are now made to eat their best chassis statements as Alonso was back pedalling this weekend claiming it was used to motivate the team. Fair enough, still now we have the issue that two of the oldest and most prestigious F1 Teams have progressed towards the end of the grid and are outperformed by newcomers. Will they share the same fate as Tyrrell and Lotus?

It's astonishing to see how bad McLaren and Williams have become, particularly McLaren, with the size of their budget, both are slowly slipping into the abyss, particularly Williams

Adamocovic

Delighted Leclerc held onto the points.

That's 3 points finishes this season for him, in his first year, in a car that is really down the field in terms of performance.

Frank Bullitt

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's astonishing to see how bad McLaren and Williams have become, particularly McLaren, with the size of their budget, both are slowly slipping into the abyss, particularly Williams

At one stage though they were the works teams for their engine suppliers, McLaren with Merc, Williams with Renault and BMW. Now they are just falling into the category of the second tier in F1. Renault are now the odd one out as they are the works team but just can't keep up, they are improving though but I just can't seem them ever banging wheels with the top 2 for a while.

RB break the mould on that one but they were the same with Renault in the V8 era before Renault bought Lotus, and now they are poised to go with Honda it seems for next year so I can see them falling back.

It will be Mercedes and Ferrari, and then the rest. I have no real issue with it being the top 2 teams being ahead, I do have some issue with the massive gap though that they are ahead. Can't really blame anyone I guess, just that this version of F1 (to me at least) is boring the arse off me. They don't go full whack during the race, can't follow close enough to overtake and they sound muck.

We have had 3 absolute stinkers in a row of races, Spain, Monaco and Canada. The first 2 are usually like that anyway and is to be expected, Canada though has potential to break the mould and throw up some overtakes and excitement. Look at what we got.

g1983d

mickdw wrote: »

Boullier comes across as a chancer.

This

eviltimeban

For the first time in about 20 years I didn't bother watching the GP, in fact I skipped Monaco as well. I just looked up the result and saved myself two hours of my life. Shame.