Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

GarIT

ELM327 wrote: »

I suppose if that happened here I'd be looking at my VPN options to use the new live online streaming service.

There's no need. Liberty have stated F1 TV will be available in every country that doesn't have an exclusivity deal in place. If there is no deal in place for next season I'd assume F1 TV will become available there then.

flazio

Sky Sports exclusive deal does cover the Republic of Ireland as well.

GarIT

flazio wrote: »

Sky Sports exclusive deal does cover the Republic of Ireland as well.

Yes but not New Zealand where we were talking about. The particular topic was about Sky dropping their exclusivity deal in New Zealand and if it happened here. There is also no such place as the Republic of Ireland, that is used in sports and by the UK to discriminate against us. The country is called Ireland.

Charlie-Bravo

Do you have to use a VPN when in Ireland regardless of which country you signed up in? i.e. is it geo-blocked by IP?

Frank Bullitt

vectra wrote: »

Wipers ~ Indicators ~ Door locks.
Unless I am completely mistaken? :rolleyes:

You, mistaken? Nooooooooooooo!

El_Duderino 09

vectra wrote: »

Gintonious wrote: »

We'll just use your logic and blame everything but the drivers abilities

Next year will tell all.
As I have already said
you don't know.
I don't know
Nobody know's

Only time will tell.

One season will be one a collection of 20 ish data points. But even one season won’t tell the whole story when it’s his second season in the sport. It’s completely different to an old driver who has had so many seasons it’s possible to see trends.

Kimi has been good in hat past and now it’s clear that he isn’t very good any longer.

If LeClerc scores about half or two-thirds of Vettel’s points total next year, it will be a solid first season and on par with what Kimi has done for the past 5 years.

vectra

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

One season will be one a collection of 20 ish data points. But even one season won’t tell the whole story when it’s his second season in the sport. It’s completely different to an old driver who has had so many seasons it’s possible to see trends.

Kimi has been good in hat past and now it’s clear that he isn’t very good any longer.

If LeClerc scores about half or two-thirds of Vettel’s points total next year, it will be a solid first season and on par with what Kimi has done for the past 5 years.

I still say speculation
Look at Max
4 years in?
still not challenging for a wdc.
Im not saying he won't get there.
But to jump to a conclusion he is the next God of F1 is a bit optimistic.

El_Duderino 09

vectra wrote: »

I still say speculation
Look at Max
4 years in?
still not challenging for a wdc.
Im not saying he won't get there.
But to jump to a conclusion he is the next God of F1 is a bit optimistic.

What exactly is speculation? Your straw man that someone said Max should have challenged for a title within 4 years? Your straw man that Max or LeClerc are the next god of f1?

Look, Kimi has been dropped for LeClerc and your bitter about that. Fair enough. But nobody has suggested LeClerc is God’s gift to f1

Kimi isn’t being replaced by LeClerc because he’s definitely the next big thing. He’s being replaced by LeClerc because LeClerc is good and probably getting bettter. Kimi is grand and probably only getting slower.

Cool_CM

astrofluff wrote: »

Well, that's not really different. So Mission Winnow? Do I need to know what it means?

https://twitter.com/MissionWinnow

"Our page is for 18+"

Liberty will love that (as they hop into bed with those wholesome betting sites)!:pac:

PopePalpatine wrote: »

It means Philip Morris are so vewwy, vewwy sowwy for causing hundreds of millions of cases of lung cancer. :rolleyes:

Arrivabene looks like he would be an excellent cigarettes salesman - and obviously he was!

Charlie-Bravo

I still don't get what they are selling.

AMKC

astrofluff wrote: »

I still don't get what they are selling.

A betting site maybe? Its that or e-cigarettes has to be one of them. That's where all the money is these days.

vectra

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What exactly is speculation? Your straw man that someone said Max should have challenged for a title within 4 years? Your straw man that Max or LeClerc are the next god of f1?

Look, Kimi has been dropped for LeClerc and your bitter about that. Fair enough. But nobody has suggested LeClerc is God’s gift to f1

Kimi isn’t being replaced by LeClerc because he’s definitely the next big thing. He’s being replaced by LeClerc because LeClerc is good and probably getting bettter. Kimi is grand and probably only getting slower.

You couldnt be further from the truth there on that.
I am actually delighted that Kimi got out from under the ruling of Ferrari and now he can race as he pleases.

El_Duderino 09

vectra wrote: »

You couldnt be further from the truth there on that.
I am actually delighted that Kimi got out from under the ruling of Ferrari and now he can race as he pleases.

Then why do you keep making up the anti-Kimi narrative? And the pro LeClerc as the next god of f1?

I really doubt it was the joint fastest car on the grid that was holding him back from being very fast this season. He was in position to help Vettel on 3 occasions this season (including the late pit stop in Monaco). Yet he has only 2/3 of Vettel’s points in a season where Vettel hasn’t been very clinical.

Do you at least accept that Kimi wasn’t replaced by LeClerc because he’s definitely the next god if F1? It’s because his future prospects are much brighter than kimi’s?

vectra

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Then why do you keep making up the anti-Kimi narrative? And the pro LeClerc as the next god of f1?

I really doubt it was the joint fastest car on the grid that was holding him back from being very fast this season. He was in position to help Vettel on 3 occasions this season (including the late pit stop in Monaco). Yet he has only 2/3 of Vettel’s points in a season where Vettel hasn’t been very clinical.

Do you at least accept that Kimi wasn’t replaced by LeClerc because he’s definitely the next god if F1? It’s because his future prospects are much brighter than kimi’s?

I have no objections to Kimi being replaced by LeClerc.
As I said above, I am actually delighted that Kimi has the opportunity to actually race without ruling and hopefully minus the disastrous pitstops that Ferrari appear to be brilliant at.

El_Duderino 09

vectra wrote: »

I have no objections to Kimi being replaced by LeClerc.
As I said above, I am actually delighted that Kimi has the opportunity to actually race without ruling and hopefully minus the disastrous pitstops that Ferrari appear to be brilliant at.

Ah yeah. But what I asked you was whether you accept why he’s being replaced.

vectra

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah yeah. But what I asked you was whether you accept why he’s being replaced.

Of course any ageing driver would need to be replaced eventually,
I just think it was a year or so too soon.

g1983d

vectra wrote: »

Of course any ageing driver would need to be replaced eventually,
I just think it was a year or so too soon.

This argument is like a bad F1 race that never ends, going round and round in circles 😂

ELM327

g1983d wrote: »

This argument is like a bad F1 race that never ends, going round and round in circles ��

People complain that the racing these days is boring.
I was watching last night the Suzuka 2000 race where Schumacher won the first of his Ferrari WDC titles, ending a 27 year wait.


There was no overtaking in the race, Schumacher was biding his time and pushed for two laps and overcut Mika by 5 seconds at the second stop.


F1 always had an element of not pushing 100% all the time, and long races with little to no overtaking. But looking back on races from the late 90's and early 00's with screaming V10s I'd prefer to hear those going round and round in circles than the modern hybrids.


Kimi is the last driver left to have driven a V10 F1 car (AFAIR anyway), the last link with the last real F1 before the economics and cost saving and slower laps took over

Jordan 199

ELM327 wrote: »

Kimi is the last driver left to have driven a V10 F1 car (AFAIR anyway), the last link with the last real F1 before the economics and cost saving and slower laps took over

Alonso raced with the V10's aswell. Won his first title with a V10 engine back in 2005.

ELM327

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Alonso raced with the V10's aswell. Won his first title with a V10 engine back in 2005.

Of course. Had discounted him as already retired.
So next season Kimi will be the only one.

vectra

g1983d wrote: »

This argument is like a bad F1 race that never ends, going round and round in circles ��

You are correct,
But when one is being questioned, it is only polite to reply.;)

muckwarrior

ELM327 wrote: »

People complain that the racing these days is boring.
I was watching last night the Suzuka 2000 race where Schumacher won the first of his Ferrari WDC titles, ending a 27 year wait.


There was no overtaking in the race, Schumacher was biding his time and pushed for two laps and overcut Mika by 5 seconds at the second stop.

This is why it always gets my goat when people harp on about how racing is crap these days and how it used to be so much better, with more overtaking etc. While it certainly could be improved, it's not bad at all in the grand scheme of things. The early to mid 2000s was probably the worst period since I started watching in the early 90s.

Edit: that said, it was undoubtedly a much better time to see a Grand Prix live. The scream of an F1 V10 is something you'd never forget.

ELM327

muckwarrior wrote: »

This is why it always gets my goat when people harp on about how racing is crap these days and how it used to be so much better, with more overtaking etc. While it certainly could be improved, it's not bad at all in the grand scheme of things. The early to mid 2000s was probably the worst period since I started watching in the early 90s.

Edit: that said, it was undoubtedly a much better time to see a Grand Prix live. The scream of an F1 V10 is something you'd never forget.

Or even the ferrari V12 from the early/mid 90's. Crazy to think they ran a v12 in F1 where there was no refuelling

T-Maxx

Can we start the 2019 thread already pleaaaaaasssssssse?

BikeRacer

Vettels reputation taking a serious knock with the amount of mistakes he's making recently.

GarIT

BikeRacer wrote: »

Vettels reputation taking a serious knock with the amount of mistakes he's making recently.

I don't think so, that was a championship defining moment. If he didn't attempt to pass Max he would be giving up his chance at the WDC. If he passed Max he could have caught Bottas, got into clean air after his pitstop and maybe passed Bottas when he pit to at least finish 2nd.

He was faster than Max, Max almost passed Bottas, hanging behind Max for 10-15 laps didn't seem like a good idea to me when he needed to be making up those seconds to the front.

He took a risk and it went wrong, I wouldn't judge him for it. In qualifying it was damp, he was doing his lap a minute and a half later than everyone other than Kimi so that was excusable.

Inviere

GarIT wrote: »

I don't think so, that was a championship defining moment. If he didn't attempt to pass Max he would be giving up his chance at the WDC. If he passed Max he could have caught Bottas, got into clean air after his pitstop and maybe passed Bottas when he pit to at least finish 2nd.

He was faster than Max, Max almost passed Bottas, hanging behind Max for 10-15 laps didn't seem like a good idea to me when he needed to be making up those seconds to the front.

He took a risk and it went wrong, I wouldn't judge him for it.

Pretty much my thoughts on it too. He was on Supersofts too, he kind of had to make the best of them and make up ground early on. I think there were perhaps better places to get a driver like Max though, but hindsight is 20/20. He’s going through a rough time between his own errors, and bad team decisions. I wonder if he’s beginning to question to himself if Ferrari can give him another title, much like Fernando began to question.

In qualifying it was damp, he was doing his lap a minute and a half later than everyone other than Kimi so that was excusable.

Wasn’t he out 90 seconds before Mercedes, having again being sold a dummy to put the wrong tires on? This put him under pressure to stop again, lose time, and he spun on his first try on dry tires, and made an error on the second attempt given the track was no longer drying

GarIT

Inviere wrote: »

Wasn’t he out 90 seconds before Mercedes, having again being sold a dummy to put the wrong tires on? This put him under pressure to stop again, lose time, and he spun on his first try on dry tires, and made an error on the second attempt given the track was no longer drying

As far as I remember it was 15 seconds or less between Ferrari going out on inters, and Mercedes going out on drys. As the Ferraris were changing tires Mercedes were crossing the line to start their timed lap. And it was lightly drizzling in some parts so he may have missed an opportunity compared to going out on drys straight away.

Harika

GarIT wrote: »

As far as I remember it was 15 seconds or less between Ferrari going out on inters, and Mercedes going out on drys. As the Ferraris were changing tires Mercedes were crossing the line to start their timed lap. And it was lightly drizzling in some parts so he may have missed an opportunity compared to going out on drys straight away.

Kimi qualied fourth, so Vettel made an error, in difficult conditions to be fair. Still he wants to be WDC. Third was the maximum anyway and bashed Hartley e.g got it right in this conditions.

pjohnson

Could Vettel not have waited until after the corner to just fly past Max?