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'Travellers have a right to a home that is culturally appropriate'

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    #242
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,031 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Permabear wrote: »
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    absolutely. i have no doubt about it.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #243
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    end of the road wrote: »
    ask the council of europe and the UN .

    I'm asking you.


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    #244
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,031 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    anna080 wrote: »
    I'm asking you.

    no point in asking me, i'm only relaying what they stated. ask the UN and council of europe.

    as you are here, could you tell me
    1. what "more protection and entitlements" do travelers have compared to working people like ourselves? could you name them?
    and
    2. what have you done about the working of the system that you have witnessed? have you informed the authorities as to what you have witnessed?

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #245
    EndaHonesty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    server down wrote: »
    Conor is a country solicitor so he may well have.

    I don't think Conor is a practicing solicitor...


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    #246
    Permabear
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    #247
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,031 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Permabear wrote: »
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    it's not nonsense. i get you and others don't like the findings but they are the findings and there is nothing to say they are inaccurate.
    i have no doubt Pavee Point would have been asked for information but they would have been one part of the evidence gathering.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #248
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    end of the road wrote: »
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    absolutely. i have no doubt about it.[/quote]

    Proof??


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    #249
    server down
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    end of the road wrote: »
    it's not nonsense. i get you and others don't like the findings but they are the findings and there is nothing to say they are inaccurate.
    i have no doubt Pavee Point would have been asked for information but they would have been one part of the evidence gathering.

    If the findings are accurate then it looks like Ireland’s state sector - the legal system, the education system, the local county councils, the transport system perhaps - are not doing their job.

    Let’s fine all people associated with these industries until the discrimination ends.


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    #250
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
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    absolutely. i have no doubt about it.[/quote]

    Proof??[/quote]

    You're wasting your time, this is what he does time and time again, posts inane waffle that disrupts mature discourse, infuriates people into dragging the topic at hand off course, sits back as the thread is closed, then toddles on to the next one that catches his eye.

    That one who, despite his atrocious spelling and most rudimentary grasp of grammar, is presumably an adult, finds entertainment in doing such is honestly quite sad.


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    #251
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I would like to know how much the state has spent in the last 20 years facilitating this group

    Roughly 30k "travellers" in the state how much per head spent on social welfare accommodation,policing ,free legal aid and the prison system in that time

    No other section of society could dream of such funding

    Discrimination me h0le


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    #252
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.


    absolutely. i have no doubt about it.[/quote]

    Proof??[/quote]

    You're wasting your time, this is what he does time and time again, posts inane waffle that disrupts mature discourse, infuriates people into dragging the topic at hand off course, sits back as the thread is closed, then toddles on to the next one that catches his eye.

    That one who, despite his atrocious spelling and most rudimentary grasp of grammar, is presumably an adult, finds entertainment in doing such is honestly quite sad.[/quote]

    I have to grudgingly sort of admire the pure self confidence of someone who categorically pronounces that their opinions are incontrovertible facts.


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    #253
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


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    #254
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    end of the road wrote: »
    no point in asking me, i'm only relaying what they stated. ask the UN and council of europe.

    as you are here, could you tell me
    1. what "more protection and entitlements" do travelers have compared to working people like ourselves? could you name them?
    and
    2. what have you done about the working of the system that you have witnessed? have you informed the authorities as to what you have witnessed?

    I'll answer your questions EOTR when you answer mine. Conversation is a two way street. You can't demand all the answers without acknowledging people's questions first. I see you still didn't acknowledge Omackarel's post?


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    #255
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,031 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    anna080 wrote: »
    I'll answer your questions EOTR when you answer mine. Conversation is a two way street. You can't demand all the answers without acknowledging people's questions first.

    i answered your question.
    i think we can safely say for a fact that travelers don't have more rights then the rest of us, otherwise you would have been able to tell us what they are.
    we can also safely say that you have done nothing to address the misuse of the system you claimed to have witnessed. now why did you not report what you witnessed to the authorities?

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #256
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    end of the road wrote: »
    i answered your question.
    i think we can safely say for a fact that travelers don't have more rights then the rest of us, otherwise you would have been able to tell us what they are.
    we can also safely say that you have done nothing to address the misuse of the system you claimed to have witnessed. now why did you not report what you witnessed to the authorities?

    More diversion.... get back to me when you're ready to be a grown up and answer all that has been put to you.
    I suspect I'll be waiting a while, however.


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    #257
    Wheeliebin30
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    End of the road.

    An example of what life would be like if sinn fein get into power.


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    #258
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    @Anna080

    I'll pack you sandwiches and a flask. You might be in for a wait.


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    #259
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,031 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    anna080 wrote: »
    More diversion.... get back to me when you're ready to be a grown up and answer all that has been put to you.
    I suspect I'll be waiting a while, however.

    why have you not reported the milking of the system that you witnessed to the authorities anna?

    travelers don't have more rights then the rest of us. that is a fact. if they did, people would be able to name them. they can't name them, because they don't exist.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #260
    SusieBlue
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    EOTR has an awful habit of posting his opinion as if it's gospel in controversial threads, anyone that challenges him are told they are wrong 'just because', with no valid points given to back himself up.
    Then he repeats himself over and over again while ignoring any questions, ensuring the debate goes round and round in circles.

    Anyway, as for my opinion. It's definitely safe to say the travelling community take more from the pot than they put in. They pay zero tax but avail of all public services.
    They do this for their lifetimes, claiming left right and centre without contributing anything through tax or to society. They have full medical cards, council housing, all the benefits.
    Of course, a minority of the settled community do this too. But the vast, vast majority of the travelling community are up to these tricks.


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    #261
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    end of the road wrote: »
    why have you not reported the milking of the system that you witnessed to the authorities anna?

    travelers don't have more rights then the rest of us. that is a fact. if they did, people would be able to name them. they can't name them, because they don't exist.

    "nope your wrong"


    Am I doing this right?


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    #262
    tomwaterford
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    anna080 wrote: »
    "nope your wrong"


    Am I doing this right?

    Noooooppppppeeeee

    :pac:




    *I wish to stay out of this dispute


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    #263
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    anna080 wrote: »
    I'm asking you.
    end of the road wrote: »
    no point in asking me

    The first truthful post from you in a long long time. Bravo.


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    #264
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,031 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    anna080 wrote: »
    "nope your wrong"


    Am I doing this right?

    travelers don't have extra rights over the rest of us anna.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #265
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    end of the road wrote: »
    travelers don't have extra rights over the rest of us anna.

    https://youtu.be/zDKO6XYXioc


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    #266
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    end of the road wrote: »
    anna080 wrote: »
    "nope your wrong"


    Am I doing this right?

    travelers don't have extra rights over the rest of us anna.

    You can say it till you're blue in the face but you're simply wring in your assertion.

    Where are the special programmes for non-traveller children to get into education?

    Where are the free scholarships at third level Colleges for non-traveller children ?

    Why are (e.g.) TV Licence non payers hounded yet non-tax paying travellers are not ?

    Why are responsible drivers penalised for minor infractions yet travellers can ride horse drawn carriages down main roads?


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    #267
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    You can say it till you're blue in the face but you're simply wring in your assertion.

    Where are the special programmes for non-traveller children to get into education?

    Where are the free scholarships at third level Colleges for non-traveller children ?

    Why are (e.g.) TV Licence non payers hounded yet non-tax paying travellers are not ?

    Why are responsible drivers penalised for minor infractions yet travellers can ride horse drawn carriages down main roads?

    In the last two weeks I've visited two houses where appointments have been missed and have to be rescheduled all because they can't be arsed attending- all paid for by us mugs.
    Parents sat at home all day while their kids get taken to community crèche by bus, all free and paid for by us mugs.
    One had her medical card automatically renewed without even applying for renewal, all paid for by us mugs.
    My own mother is dying of cancer and worked all her life, had to fight tooth and nail for a discretionary medical card, if she was born a traveller she'd have it handed to her.
    And that's not even the bloody half of it.
    I'm on the vino now so I better whisht while I'm ahead.


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    #268
    pjohnson
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    End of the road.

    An example of what life would be like if sinn fein get into power.

    More like Danny Healy Rae became Taoiseach.


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    #269
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,031 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    You can say it till you're blue in the face but you're simply wring in your assertion.

    i'm not though.
    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Where are the special programmes for non-traveller children to get into education?

    Where are the free scholarships at third level Colleges for non-traveller children ?

    there are apparently programs open to non-traveler children to get into education should they meet the criteria.
    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Why are (e.g.) TV Licence non payers hounded yet non-tax paying travellers are not ?

    revenue do cary out raids against non-tax paying travelers when feasible to do so. it takes time to build up evidence however due to movement about, and it being harder to find where money is coming from, and going to.
    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Why are responsible drivers penalised for minor infractions yet travellers can ride horse drawn carriages down main roads?

    you would be best putting that question to the gardai, minister for justice and other politicians as to why horsedrawn carriges aren't being removed from the main roads.
    if responsible drivers are breaking the law and the gardai catch them, even if it's a minor infraction, they are still breaking the law.
    pjohnson wrote: »
    More like Danny Healy Rae became Taoiseach.

    at least they might actually deliver some of their promises.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #270
    glenfieldman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    The best thing to come out of a knacker camp ?
    A few hearses


    Mod-Banned


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    #271
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    glenfieldman wrote: »
    The best thing to come out of a knacker camp ?
    A few hearses

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