‪Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IX: The Last Jordi [****]

joseywhales

Former Former wrote: »

March is Saturday. Match is Sunday.

Unless they're planning to walk reeeeealllly slowly I think we'll be ok.

Can we please not discuss this any further on the Leinster thread?

That is genius
you know what they say about march?
spring ahead or fall behind

MDunne14

Clegg wrote: »

I thought he was far from England's best player of the 6N. Was a liability in defence and failed to spark England's attack.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but one that's playing so poorly that a different 10 starting may be bad news for Leinster. He's also a better 12 than 10 in my view.

The way Farrell tackles is very aggressive and often targets the ball which leads to him missing a few but he’s very powerful in the tackle and he was more or less defending for 2 with ford beside him.. you can’t really say he failed to spark their attack when he was top try scorer and set up the most trys for England his teams failure to get over the gainline and no attack coach is why it was so poor.. in fairness he is probably a better 12 but because he plays so little at 10 In tests people forget how good of a 10 he is for sarries

irishbucsfan

MDunne14 wrote: »

The way Farrell tackles is very aggressive and often targets the ball which leads to him missing a few but he’s very powerful in the tackle and he was more or less defending for 2 with ford beside him.. you can’t really say he failed to spark their attack when he was top try scorer and set up the most trys for England his teams failure to get over the gainline and no attack coach is why it was so poor.. in fairness he is probably a better 12 but because he plays so little at 10 In tests people forget how good of a 10 he is for sarries

He misses a load of arm tackles that are certainly not down to being too aggressive, more just poor footwork.

Bridge93

Rugby Union Weekly Podcast did a comparison of all Farrell games at 12 for England v Barrett at 12 for Sarries on missed tackles in very similar defensive structures over 2 years.
In an obviously larger sample size Barret missed 1 in 8 I think. Farrell missed like 1 in 2 or something crazy

joseywhales

irishbucsfan wrote: »

MDunne14 wrote: »

The way Farrell tackles is very aggressive and often targets the ball which leads to him missing a few but he’s very powerful in the tackle and he was more or less defending for 2 with ford beside him.. you can’t really say he failed to spark their attack when he was top try scorer and set up the most trys for England his teams failure to get over the gainline and no attack coach is why it was so poor.. in fairness he is probably a better 12 but because he plays so little at 10 In tests people forget how good of a 10 he is for sarries

He misses a load of arm tackles that are certainly not down to being too aggressive, more just poor footwork.

I agree, he is to focused on the big hits and the big plays, than "what is my best action in this moment to win this game".Still a very good player. Honestly I'd be more concerned if we we're playing Exeter. Perfection is more of a compromise that actual perfection. Ask either JS.

Burkie1203

Info saying Fardy in at 6

Clegg

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Info saying Fardy in at 6

Best use of the players available.

I never thought we'd be in a position where we'd have to start Fardy in the backrow but needs must. It's his best position too.

Stheno

There is a presentatoon to Jamie before kickoff

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

There is a presentatoon to Jamie before kickoff

Please let it be headphones.

accensi0n

Stheno wrote: »

There is a presentatoon to Jamie before kickoff

Presentation in cartoon form?

Buer

Fardy at 6, Lowe starts. SOB doesn't make it.

Big test for Deegan is called upon.

Interested Observer

Very good team. Great to see Ruddock back, hopefully he can make an instant impact, huge game to come into after a long layoff but he's a class act. I think they've made the right call starting all of Ryan, Fardy and Toner. And Lowe is definitely the right call as well.

Buer

Farrell and Kruis both make the Saracens line up. I'm shocked.

mister paul

Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):

15. Rob Kearney (193)
14. Fergus McFadden (166)
13. Garry Ringrose (45)
12. Isa Nacewa (180) CAPTAIN
11. James Lowe (8)
10. Johnny Sexton (144)
9. Luke McGrath (91)
1. Cian Healy (184)
2. Seán Cronin (147)
3. Tadhg Furlong (78)
4. Devin Toner (211)
5. James Ryan (10)
6. Scott Fardy (17)
7. Dan Leavy (49)
8. Jordi Murphy (101)

16. James Tracy (58)
17. Jack McGrath (126)
18. Andrew Porter (23)
19. Rhys Ruddock (139)
20. Max Deegan (16)
21. Nick McCarthy (21)
22. Joey Carbery (31)
23. Rory O’Loughlin (37)

Referee: Jérome Garcés

Peregrine

Carbery over Ross Byrne. Lowe starts. Fardy at 6. McFadden, McCarthy, Ruddock and ROL back.


15. Rob Kearney (193)
14. Fergus McFadden (166)
13. Garry Ringrose (45)
12. Isa Nacewa (180) CAPTAIN
11. James Lowe (8)
10. Johnny Sexton (144)
9. Luke McGrath (91)
1. Cian Healy (184)
2. Seán Cronin (147)
3. Tadhg Furlong (78)
4. Devin Toner (211)
5. James Ryan (10)
6. Scott Fardy (17)
7. Dan Leavy (49)
8. Jordi Murphy (101)

16. James Tracy (58)
17. Jack McGrath (126)
18. Andrew Porter (23)
19. Rhys Ruddock (139)
20. Max Deegan (16)
21. Nick McCarthy (21)
22. Joey Carbery (31)
23. Rory O’Loughlin (37)

thomond2006

Saracens team to face Leinster (Saracens appearances):

15 Alex Goode (255)
14 Liam Williams (11)
13 Marcelo Bosch (116)
12 Brad Barritt (216)
11 Sean Maitland (35)
10 Owen Farrell (167)
9 Richard Wigglesworth (203)
1 Mako Vunipola (137)
2 Jamie George (189)
3 Juan Figallo (83)
4 Maro Itoje (88)
5 George Kruis (153)
6 Nick Isiekwe (28)
7 Schalk Burger (46)
8 Jackson Wray (194)

16 Schalk Brits (215)
17 Richard Barrington
18 Titi Lamositele (51)
19 Dominic Day (11)
20 Blair Cowan (2)
21 Ben Spencer (125)
22 Alex Lozowski (54)
23 Chris Wyles (248)

Interested Observer

Is Schalk Burger any good these days? He turns 35 in a few weeks so is getting on.

Awesomeness

Carbery over Byrne is interesting if not surprising

thomond2006

It's a bit ridiculous how much Itoje is getting flogged.

clsmooth

Good team. Bit light on the back line bench but not much we could do with the injuries.

Buer

clsmooth wrote: »

Good team. Bit light on the back line bench but not much we could do with the injuries.

The Conan injury made this selection pretty much the only real option unless they threw RR straight in after a few months out.

Shame SOB didn't make it. Would have been some forward bench. We're in big trouble if McGrath gets injured.

ROL probably the right call at 23 in terms of versatility but I'd rather see Byrne there from a straight back three option.

Larbre34

Is Larmour injured?

Stheno

Larbre34 wrote: »

Is Larmour injured?

Yes

I wasn't sure what way Saracens would approach this fixture given their form in Europe and in general but Farrell and Kruis starting puts any doubt of their ambitions out of the way.

Pecking order behind Sexton also seems to be confirmed by this selection.

Thought we might have seen Adam Byrne for this fixture also. Larmour a real loss, showed his metal in midfield against England and I want to see him playing all our big fixtures now.

Bridge93

What do we think Fardy will do first? Smash Farrell quad or Brads cheek?

Bridge93

Bridge93 wrote: »

What do we think Fardy will do first? Smash Farrell quad or Brads cheek?

Intimidate the entire Saracens 23 just by having his beard stare at them.

.ak

thomond2006 wrote: »

Saracens team to face Leinster (Saracens appearances):

15 Alex Goode (255)
14 Liam Williams (11)
13 Marcelo Bosch (116)
12 Brad Barritt (216)
11 Sean Maitland (35)
10 Owen Farrell (167)
9 Richard Wigglesworth (203)
1 Mako Vunipola (137)
2 Jamie George (189)
3 Juan Figallo (83)
4 Maro Itoje (88)
5 George Kruis (153)
6 Nick Isiekwe (28)
7 Schalk Burger (46)
8 Jackson Wray (194)

16 Schalk Brits (215)
17 Richard Barrington
18 Titi Lamositele (51)
19 Dominic Day (11)
20 Blair Cowan (2)
21 Ben Spencer (125)
22 Alex Lozowski (54)
23 Chris Wyles (248)

I hope we don’t schalk this one down to a bad day at the office.

Buer

.ak wrote: »

thomond2006 wrote: »

Saracens team to face Leinster (Saracens appearances):

15 Alex Goode (255)
14 Liam Williams (11)
13 Marcelo Bosch (116)
12 Brad Barritt (216)
11 Sean Maitland (35)
10 Owen Farrell (167)
9 Richard Wigglesworth (203)
1 Mako Vunipola (137)
2 Jamie George (189)
3 Juan Figallo (83)
4 Maro Itoje (88)
5 George Kruis (153)
6 Nick Isiekwe (28)
7 Schalk Burger (46)
8 Jackson Wray (194)

16 Schalk Brits (215)
17 Richard Barrington
18 Titi Lamositele (51)
19 Dominic Day (11)
20 Blair Cowan (2)
21 Ben Spencer (125)
22 Alex Lozowski (54)
23 Chris Wyles (248)

I hope we don’t schalk this one down to a bad day at the office.

Self-bans are welcome.

.ak

ROL over Adam is a surprise and makes me wonder if there are question marks over Isa. I’d say you’re pretty disappointed if you’re Adam or Barry this weekend, both of them were amongst the few stand outs last weekend, although I have the feeling Adam is carrying a niggle in the knee, which makes sense if it was ligament damage because even after it’s healed it can take months before it feels strong. Would explain the lack of confidence going into contact.

stephen_n

Deleted User wrote: »

I wasn't sure what way Saracens would approach this fixture given their form in Europe and in general but Farrell and Kruis starting puts any doubt of their ambitions out of the way.

Pecking order behind Sexton also seems to be confirmed by this selection.

Thought we might have seen Adam Byrne for this fixture also. Larmour a real loss, showed his metal in midfield against England and I want to see him playing all our big fixtures now.

Byrne covers 10 Carbery covers 10 + 15, don’t think this selection says anything other than Carbery is more versatile.