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‪Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IX: The Last Jordi [****]

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    #362
    Bridge93
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    Then does the question have to be asked if, despite Ruddock deserving to start, we are better off with say Leavy 6 and Ruddock + Murphy benching than Ruddock starting with Leavy + Nagle on the bench. The gap between Leavy and Ruddock is smaller than the second option I feel so might be worth a look


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    #363
    irishbucsfan
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    The problem with that idea is that Rhys Ruddock is very, very good at rugby


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    #364
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Then does the question have to be asked if, despite Ruddock deserving to start, we are better off with say Leavy 6 and Ruddock + Murphy benching than Ruddock starting with Leavy + Nagle on the bench. The gap between Leavy and Ruddock is smaller than the second option I feel so might be worth a look

    Given Ruddocks form we want him on the pitch for the maximum amount of time possible. I see where you are coming from and there is some logic there for sure but I think we'll see Ruddock, SOB, Conan with JDVF and Leavy on the bench as it stands. I believe Conan can also cover lock?


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    #365
    Bridge93
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    The problem with that idea is that Rhys Ruddock is very, very good at rugby

    I suppose it's a matter of backing ourselves to go win it from the start as opposed to holding back to try hold on or rescue it at the end


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    #366
    Buer
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    Bridge93 wrote:
    Then does the question have to be asked if, despite Ruddock deserving to start, we are better off with say Leavy 6 and Ruddock + Murphy benching than Ruddock starting with Leavy + Nagle on the bench. The gap between Leavy and Ruddock is smaller than the second option I feel so might be worth a look

    Is Leavy not out until the new year?


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    #367
    MattD
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    For me, there's no point in benching Ruddock so he can cover lock. There is no real scenario where it's of actual benefit to have Ruddock on the bench or Nagle in the squad. If Toner/Fardy need to come off, they'll come off before any of the back row. Just move Ruddock to lock and bring Leavy on to 6. Murphy on the bench to also cover 7/8.


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    #368
    Bridge93
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    Buer wrote: »
    Is Leavy not out until the new year?

    Is he? I'm totally lost as to who's where fitness wise.


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    #369
    Buer
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    Bridge93 wrote:
    Is he? I'm totally lost as to who's where fitness wise.

    Sorry, he returned to training last week. Should be available on that basis.


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    #370
    Interested Observer
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    MattD wrote: »
    For me, there's no point in benching Ruddock so he can cover lock. There is no real scenario where it's of actual benefit to have Ruddock on the bench or Nagle in the squad. If Toner/Fardy need to come off, they'll come off before any of the back row. Just move Ruddock to lock and bring Leavy on to 6. Murphy on the bench to also cover 7/8.

    Definitely my thinking too. Nagle or Kearney coming on makes the team a lot weaker. If Ryan or Moloney were fit they'd bench, no issue.


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    #371
    irishbucsfan
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    Forcing a back row to cover the 2nd row makes the team weaker


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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Forcing a back row to cover the 2nd row makes the team weaker

    Yes but like putting Carbery at fullback there is an element of 'get your best players on the pitch'.

    I really hope James Ryan can stay healthy for the second half of the season.


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    irishfan9
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Forcing a back row to cover the 2nd row makes the team weaker

    seemed to work fine last year.


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    #374
    irishbucsfan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes but like putting Carbery at fullback there is an element of 'get your best players on the pitch'.

    I really hope James Ryan can stay healthy for the second half of the season.

    Not the same as playing a guy out of position though, you go from a position which is all about athelticism and covering every blade of grass to a position where you have to keep your power for set pieces. I'd imagine if we potentially need him there we'll have him holding back a little in open play.


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    #375
    irishbucsfan
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    seemed to work fine last year.

    Ruddock is playing on a completely different level to how he was back then, no?


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    molloyjh
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    Leinster have tweeted that it's a very exciting 23. Wonder what that means.


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    #377
    irishfan9
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Leinster have tweeted that it's a very exciting 23. Wonder what that means.

    Ringrose, Lowe, Larmour.


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    irishbucsfan
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Leinster have tweeted that it's a very exciting 23. Wonder what that means.

    https://twitter.com/leinsterrugby/status/936565549995192321


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    #379
    molloyjh
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    15. Jordan Larmour (7)
    14. Dave Kearney (117)
    13. Garry Ringrose (39)
    12. Noel Reid (89)
    11. James Lowe (0)
    10. Ross Byrne (34)
    9. Luke McGrath (82) CAPTAIN
    1. Jack McGrath (118)
    2. James Tracy (50)
    3. Andrew Porter (16)
    4. Ian Nagle (12)
    5. Scott Fardy (7)
    6. Jordi Murphy (94)
    7. Josh van der Flier (53)
    8. Jack Conan (60)

    16. Seán Cronin (138)
    17. Ed Byrne (13)
    18. Vakh Abdaladze (0)
    19. Mick Kearney (25)
    20. Max Deegan (8)
    21. Nick McCarthy (13)
    22. Fergus McFadden (157)
    23. Rory O’Loughlin (30)


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    #380
    irishfan9
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    Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets)

    15. Jordan Larmour (7)
    14. Dave Kearney (117)
    13. Garry Ringrose (39)
    12. Noel Reid (89)
    11. James Lowe (0)
    10. Ross Byrne (34)
    9. Luke McGrath (82) CAPTAIN
    1. Jack McGrath (118)
    2. James Tracy (50)
    3. Andrew Porter (16)
    4. Ian Nagle (12)
    5. Scott Fardy (7)
    6. Jordi Murphy (94)
    7. Josh van der Flier (53)
    8. Jack Conan (60)

    16. Seán Cronin (138)
    17. Ed Byrne (13)
    18. Vakh Abdaladze (0)
    19. Mick Kearney (25)
    20. Max Deegan (8)
    21. Nick McCarthy (13)
    22. Fergus McFadden (157)
    23. Rory O’Loughlin (30)


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    #381
    molloyjh
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    That back line makes me giddy! Pretty good pack too.


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    #382
    molloyjh
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    No Isa is a worry though no?


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    #383
    irishfan9
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    No Isa is a worry though no?

    he can't play in every game.


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    #384
    arsebiscuits1
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    Very suprised at some selections there.

    I thought Leo would get some combinations out ahead of Europe.


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    #385
    Clegg
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    So VdF returns along with Ringrose making his seasonal debut and Lowe his Leinster debut.

    Bueno.


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    #386
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    #387
    irishbucsfan
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    No Isa is a worry though no?

    Are there concerns over Isa?

    I'm excited to see Larmour there.

    As much competition in the back 3 as we've ever had. Just need to develop that in midfield now and our backs will be set.


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    #388
    errlloyd
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    Abdaladze on the bench covering Porter? Wow.


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    #389
    molloyjh
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    he can't play in every game.

    Absolutely not, but he's only played once since coming off against Monty in the first half 7 weeks ago.


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    irishfan9
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Abdaladze on the bench covering Porter? Wow.

    well he is next in line at tighthead.


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    #391
    molloyjh
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Are there concerns over Isa?

    I'm excited to see Larmour there.

    As much competition in the back 3 as we've ever had. Just need to develop that in midfield now and our backs will be set.

    Returned from injury last week and is back out this week. Maybe they are resting him with the Christmas period in mind, but I'd have thought if he was to feature in Europe he'd need some more game time this week.


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