Cheltenham Antepost Tickets

With the NH season beginning to heat up a bit I thought an Antepost thread might be a bit of fun (especially when looking back on it!!)

Ive only one so far; a small trixie with:

Faugheen 6-1 CH
Douvan 3-1 Ch Chase
Thistlecrack 5-1 Gold Cup

sdoc13

Faugheen 11/4

maximo31

Footpad (Arkle) 16-1.

Copper_pipe

Kesselring 50/1 ew (Supreme)

Father Hernandez

Death Duty - RSA 10s & Faugheen - CH 6s double @ 77/1

Nice chunk on Faugheen @ 5/2 yesterday

North Hill Harvey @ 16s ew Arkle

Moon Dice

Samcro - Ballymore, Cause of Causes - X Country

Got a few doubles and trebles with Might Bite in the King George

madmoose

Samcro at 5/1 now is shocking, thankfully alot of us are on at the tasty prices.

Next destination looks a neptune player and stormed up the hill in the bumper, needs 2m4 or more though.

Slattsy

madmoose wrote: »

Samcro at 5/1 now is shocking, thankfully alot of us are on at the tasty prices.

Next destination looks a neptune player and stormed up the hill in the bumper, needs 2m4 or more though.

5s could still be big come March.
It'll win another race or two here and can see this going off 2s or less. Will be up there with Faugheen as one of the Irish bankers.

Death Duty a prime example, a lot of people will steam into it.

Raging I missed the bigger prices though.

WickIow Brave

Slattsy wrote: »

5s could still be big come March.
It'll win another race or two here and can see this going off 2s or less.

It will go off odds on.

madmoose

No point piling in now at 5/1 when he could get injured or go another race. Bigger prices yeah but not that.

Father Hernandez

Did some research last night and Faugheen & Samcro double is 16/1 with some bookies, certainly worth putting €10/€20 on

Motivator

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Did some research last night and Faugheen & Samcro double is 16/1 with some bookies, certainly worth putting €10/€20 on

It’s not worth it as Faugheen won’t be winning any Chanpion Hurdle. What wins it? I don’t know yet, but it won’t be Faugheen.

I nailed my colours to the mast with Melon last year. I said he wouldn’t win the Supreme. Did he run better than I thought he would? Yes, but he still didn’t win.

The shorter Faugheen goes, the more I will lay him for so I hope he continues to be bigged up by everyone!

akelly02

bigged up?

Hes a champion hurdle winner and more importantly a machine who is in a very weak division.

All in.

WickIow Brave

Melon wins the Champion Hurdle.

akelly02

WickIow Brave wrote: »

Melon wins the Champion Hurdle.

with patrick on i suppose

Motivator

akelly02 wrote: »

bigged up?

Hes a champion hurdle winner and more importantly a machine who is in a very weak division.

All in.

Bigged up after Sunday yes. Nothing outstanding about Sunday bar the fact he didn’t fall. He beat Jezki,who looks gone at the game to be honest, and a couple of handicappers.

The 2m division looks probably it’s weakest in many years and the upcoming Champion Hurdle will be the weakest of the Championship races at the Festival for the second year in a row. I hope Elliott throws in a surprise such as Apples Jade because she’d probably beat all of them over 2m.

Very simple though, Faugheen won’t be winning a Champion Hurdle in 2018.

Mgoraf

Faugheens time figure on Sunday was only 6 pound worse than his best ever run in the Irish champion. It most certainly was an impressive return and if he can build on thst he'll destroy the field in March imo.

WickIow Brave

Motivator wrote: »

Very simple though, Faugheen won’t be winning a Champion Hurdle in 2018.

Why not? What is your reasoning?

akelly02

Motivator wrote: »

Bigged up after Sunday yes. Nothing outstanding about Sunday bar the fact he didn’t fall. He beat Jezki,who looks gone at the game to be honest, and a couple of handicappers.

The 2m division looks probably it’s weakest in many years and the upcoming Champion Hurdle will be the weakest of the Championship races at the Festival for the second year in a row. I hope Elliott throws in a surprise such as Apples Jade because she’d probably beat all of them over 2m.

Very simple though, Faugheen won’t be winning a Champion Hurdle in 2018.

What price will you lay me so?

danganabu

Motivator wrote: »

I nailed my colours to the mast with Melon last year. I said he wouldn’t win the Supreme. Did he run better than I thought he would? Yes, but he still didn’t win.

You did, you also said that Ruby wouldnt ride him and that he would be available at a double figure price. Lessons to be learnt but it appears you have learnt nothing!

realdanbreen

Motivator wrote: »

Very simple though, Faugheen won’t be winning a Champion Hurdle in 2018.

Couldn't agree more.

danganabu

It's very easy say who 'wont' win a race 4 months in advance maybe throw up an alternative and it might look a bit more credible, ye have both basically tipped a 4/9 shot in 4 months time :D

realdanbreen

I have Defi Du Seuil winning the CH @ 8-1

danganabu

realdanbreen wrote: »

I have Defi Du Seuil winning the CH @ 8-1

Has been exceptionally impressive as a juvenile and as a 4 time course winner is a big danger, but Triumph winners have a terrible record in this and has a stoe to find with Buveur D'air and a stone and a half with a prime Faugheen.

I think people are actually forgetting how good Faugheen is/was. He is basically 9/4 to turn up.

Motivator

danganabu wrote: »

You did, you also said that Ruby wouldnt ride him and that he would be available at a double figure price. Lessons to be learnt but it appears you have learnt nothing!

Did Melon not hit double figures on the exchange on the Thursday beforehand? The reason being Ruby hadn't made up his mind on what he was riding and it wasn't as straightforward a choice as everyone thinks.

Anyway, the horse put up a better performance than I expected but still didn't win the race so I'm not sure where you're going with your "lessons to be learned" remark. I layed the horse and got the result right.

I think the ones who ploughed into Melon on the back of what Joe Soap down in their local Ladbrokes told them should be the ones learning lessons. I watched Melon in Leopardstown from the moment he stepped off his lorry to the minute he stepped back on it and nothing impressed me about him. I base all of my assumptions about horses based on what I see with my own two eyes, not on what other people say. I've watched racing long enough to know that a near 10yo, coming back from an injury severe enough to keep him off the track for nearly two years, can't win the premier 2m hurdle of the year.

As for what beats him, I've already said I don't know. I don't think we'll know until a few weeks beforehand when the market takes shape and we've a better idea of what will definitely run. I think someone (probably Elliott) will do a Nicky Henderson on it and re-route something into the race. I'm hoping it's Apples Jade but I don't think that will happen.

Motivator

realdanbreen wrote: »

I have Defi Du Seuil winning the CH @ 8-1

Would love to see this but I think he'll need another year. If he was to win a Champion Hurdle he would need to win all his races between now and March. That would put him at what, 10 or 11 races in a row unbeaten? With 4 or 5 of those wins at Grade 1 level. If that were to happen, that would make him (in theory) the best 2m hurdler we've ever seen as that has surely never been done before?

Defi Du Seuil is top class but I'm not sure he's a Champion Hurdler, he probably will be in 2019 but I think 2018 could come too soon. Would love to see him do it but tomorrow should tell us a lot.

Shemale

Its barmy to write off Faugheen after Sunday, never mind opposition or times, he visually looked very good.

Looks a weak renewal so not sure why you would be so keen to oppose.

krustydoyle

I'm actually a little embarrassed about the amount of ante post bets I've done this year but I'll list a few.. Their all for small stakes too.. Nothing bigger than 5er ew mainly

North Hill Harvey (Arkle) 33's
Slate House (Supreme) 33's
Fagan (4 Miler) 50's
Red Jack (Supreme) 25's
River Wylde (Arkle) 25's

And a lot more that aren't coming to me right now

danganabu

realdanbreen wrote: »

I have Defi Du Seuil winning the CH @ 8-1

Bubble well nd truely burst, if he is the biggest dangfer to Faugheen, then I think Ii can start spending my money already!

danganabu

Motivator wrote: »

Did Melon not hit double figures on the exchange on the Thursday beforehand? The reason being Ruby hadn't made up his mind on what he was riding and it wasn't as straightforward a choice as everyone thinks.

Anyway, the horse put up a better performance than I expected but still didn't win the race so I'm not sure where you're going with your "lessons to be learned" remark. I layed the horse and got the result right.

I think the ones who ploughed into Melon on the back of what Joe Soap down in their local Ladbrokes told them should be the ones learning lessons. I watched Melon in Leopardstown from the moment he stepped off his lorry to the minute he stepped back on it and nothing impressed me about him. I base all of my assumptions about horses based on what I see with my own two eyes, not on what other people say. I've watched racing long enough to know that a near 10yo, coming back from an injury severe enough to keep him off the track for nearly two years, can't win the premier 2m hurdle of the year.

As for what beats him, I've already said I don't know. I don't think we'll know until a few weeks beforehand when the market takes shape and we've a better idea of what will definitely run. I think someone (probably Elliott) will do a Nicky Henderson on it and re-route something into the race. I'm hoping it's Apples Jade but I don't think that will happen.

:D thats a lot of waffle for one post, well done!

Motivator

danganabu wrote: »

:D thats a lot of waffle for one post, well done!

We’ll see about waffle in March when you’re crying over your twenty quid ante post bet on Faugheen.

danganabu

Motivator wrote: »

We’ll see about waffle in March when you’re crying over your twenty quid ante post bet on Faugheen.

lol patethic, and why am I not surprised!!

If you are wiling to match the 9/4 available I will be more thn willing to place a proper bet with you, I'm sure we can find someone to act an an escrow here.

Again you are effectiely giving us a 4/9 tip and acting johnny big balls about it :D

Motivator

danganabu wrote: »

lol patethic, and why am I not surprised!!

If you are wiling to match the 9/4 available I will be more thn willing to place a proper bet with you, I'm sure we can find someone to act an an escrow here.

Again you are effectiely giving us a 4/9 tip and acting johnny big balls about it :D

Ok fine, send me on your money. We’ve never met but I’m good for it I swear 🙄

How am I giving you a “tip” exactly?

danganabu

Motivator wrote: »

Ok fine, send me on your money. We’ve never met but I’m good for it I swear ��

How am I giving you a “tip” exactly?

Google escrow there and you might understand how it works :rolleyes:

My point is that is very easy to simply say x wont win, provide a credible alternative and your claim might have some substance.

Motivator

danganabu wrote: »

Google escrow there and you might understand how it works :rolleyes:

My point is that is very easy to simply say x wont win, provide a credible alternative and your claim might have some substance.

So essentially you want me to pick the winner of the Champion Hurdle for you to take me seriously?

danganabu

Motivator wrote: »

So essentially you want me to pick the winner of the Champion Hurdle for you to take me seriously?

No, I did not say that. But your simple assertion that Faugheen wont win is weakened by not providing an alternative, it is very easy to name horses that wont win races the trick is to find the ones that will!

Anyway I know your modus operandi by this stage so I will leave you be, haven't the energy tbh!

My poor thread

danganabu

TheTorment wrote: »

My poor thread

Apologies torment, I'll let it get back on track

Faugheen, Samcro and Might Bite (King George) is my big trixie.

jimjamcos

Keep it simple lads.

Have a bet, and a good bet, on Faugheen/Samcro double @ 14/1 right now.

Will be less than 10/1 tomorrow when Samcro goes sub 3/1.

Shemale

jimjamcos wrote: »

Keep it simple lads.
Have a bet, and a good bet, on Faugheen/Samcro double @ 14/1 right now.

You are being done there Jim, Faugheen and Samcro should be around 35/1 in a double, Faugheen can be got at 6/4 and Samcro at 14/1

sdoc13

Shemale wrote:

You are being done there Jim, Faugheen and Samcro should be around 35/1 in a double, Faugheen can be got at 6/4 and Samcro at 14/1

That's 4 the supreme. Neptune best price 5s

Shemale

sdoc13 wrote: »

That's 4 the supreme. Neptune best price 5s

I am so out of touch I hadn't heard of him until today, the sooner college is out of the way the better!!

Cheers Doc, had seen he has been running over 2 so figured it was Supreme.

Urindanger

Samcro still at a good price even after that display. 16/1 still on PP.

jimjamcos

Urindanger wrote:

Samcro still at a good price even after that display. 16/1 still on PP.

Wrong race

Urindanger

jimjamcos wrote: »

Wrong race

Although you're probably right still too hard to tell. Nevertheless price has shortened noticeably on both markets. Took him at 16.5 and 5 in separate markets on the Exchange and they're now at 11 and 3.05. Will trade out closer to post.

jimjamcos

Trainer, jockey and market all point strongly to 2m4 Ballymore hurdle.

Very unlikely he'll have a run over 2m before then so extremely unlikely that trainer will run him over 2m on likely the fastest ground he's faced at festival and risk him being taken out of his comfort zone.

He's a point-to-pointer owned by Giggy and not trained by Mullins thankfully, so think we're safe enough he'll go longer race mentioned.

Only danger is injury.

krustydoyle

krustydoyle wrote: »

I'm actually a little embarrassed about the amount of ante post bets I've done this year but I'll list a few.. Their all for small stakes too.. Nothing bigger than 5er ew mainly

North Hill Harvey (Arkle) 33's
Slate House (Supreme) 33's
Fagan (4 Miler) 50's
Red Jack (Supreme) 25's
River Wylde (Arkle) 25's

And a lot more that aren't coming to me right now

Few more now i have them in front of me

Sayar (Supeme) 33's
On The Blind Side (Albert Bartlett) 16's
Bacardys (JLT) 16'S
Red Jack (Ballymore) 20's
Ballyward (Albert Bartlett) 25's
Ballyandy (Arkle) 25's

piplip87

Thistlecrack gone out to 12s with PP. Took that price after todays run as he may just have needed it. Will wait and see how my other selections run over the next few weeks.

redzerdrog

Absolutely horrendous price after today's performance. Given it is ante post and not non runner no bet. There was zero positives from today and has to be odds against he even makes it to the festival

WickIow Brave

There's needing the run and then there's what Thistlecrack did today.

piplip87

Yes but 20 quid at 12/1 is worth a shot. I guess after the King George it will become clearer. If he bounces back to form there then the 12/1 will be valuable. If not its only 20 quid.