JFK Files

Dohnjoe

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Whats clear to me is some people on here would believe in the tooth fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. The real conspiracy theorists here are the ones claiming this is the act of a Lone wolf. That is just lunatic stuff and unfortunately the media have been pulling the wool over your eyes for years.

Operation Northwood and Mongoose show that the CIA wouldnt think twice of a bit of collateral damage and blow up their own people. So to answer an earlier question of who are implicated I believe the CIA have questions to answer and some people who had political motivations at the time. CIA stands for central intelligence agency. Not a whole pile of intelligent knocking together of heads back then. Look at Watergate. Was that a conspiracy? No. They tried to manipulate and subvert the truth. If people dont believe that its crazy that the most powerful man in the worlds brain can go missing and cant believe the testimony of medical professionals in Parkland then I give up.

Apart from personal world views and incredulity, who pulled the trigger? from where? how many shots? where is the evidence of those shots? who ordered than person? names, dates with evidence

Ipso

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

We should believe a poster on boards.ie over a person who worked for the CIA and lead secrets operations for the CIA? And was documented to be the ringleader of the Watergate breakin? I think he has better credientials than you let on?

Would you believe someone from the CIA who said there was no conspiracy?

Tipsy McSwagger

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Whats clear to me is some people on here would believe in the tooth fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. The real conspiracy theorists here are the ones claiming this is the act of a Lone wolf. That is just lunatic stuff and unfortunately the media have been pulling the wool over your eyes for years.

Operation Northwood and Mongoose show that the CIA wouldnt think twice of a bit of collateral damage and blow up their own people. So to answer an earlier question of who are implicated I believe the CIA have questions to answer and some people who had political motivations at the time. CIA stands for central intelligence agency. Not a whole pile of intelligent knocking together of heads back then. Look at Watergate. Was that a conspiracy? No. They tried to manipulate and subvert the truth. If people dont believe that its crazy that the most powerful man in the worlds brain can go missing and cant believe the testimony of medical professionals in Parkland then I give up.

Also for the people who are not familiar with the totality of this story. LBJ appointed Warren commission to investigate this case and they were mandated to display to public that LHO acted alone. They werent interested in counter views. This theory began to unwind in 70s as Americans saw Zapruder film for first time. House select committee had their own investigation and concluded it was probable that there was a conspiracy. Thinly veiled there were teams of shooters dotted around Dealey plaza that day.

If you ever have the chance to go to Dallas like I did firstly get to a steakhouse in Forthworth but if you have time visit the grassy knoll, Dallas Tek building and 6th floor museum (for a bit of background)

You will have to ask Bobby Kennedy what he did with his brothers brain, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/brain.txt

Cheerful Spring

Ipso wrote: »

Would you believe someone from the CIA who said there was no conspiracy?

I listen to people who have connection with the event. CIA members can have opinion, but they are in the dark as everyone else. I not blaming everyone at the CIA for Kennedy death, but there was a cover up. Oswald had two identities when we got caught. He also had I.Ds with his picture, but he was not Lee Harvey Oswald. On those I.D's his name was Alek James Hiddell.

Cheerful Spring

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Whats clear to me is some people on here would believe in the tooth fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. The real conspiracy theorists here are the ones claiming this is the act of a Lone wolf. That is just lunatic stuff and unfortunately the media have been pulling the wool over your eyes for years.

Operation Northwood and Mongoose show that the CIA wouldnt think twice of a bit of collateral damage and blow up their own people. So to answer an earlier question of who are implicated I believe the CIA have questions to answer and some people who had political motivations at the time. CIA stands for central intelligence agency. Not a whole pile of intelligent knocking together of heads back then. Look at Watergate. Was that a conspiracy? No. They tried to manipulate and subvert the truth. If people dont believe that its crazy that the most powerful man in the worlds brain can go missing and cant believe the testimony of medical professionals in Parkland then I give up.

Also for the people who are not familiar with the totality of this story. LBJ appointed Warren commission to investigate this case and they were mandated to display to public that LHO acted alone. They werent interested in counter views. This theory began to unwind in 70s as Americans saw Zapruder film for first time. House select committee had their own investigation and concluded it was probable that there was a conspiracy. Thinly veiled there were teams of shooters dotted around Dealey plaza that day.

If you ever have the chance to go to Dallas like I did firstly get to a steakhouse in Forthworth but if you have time visit the grassy knoll, Dallas Tek building and 6th floor museum (for a bit of background)

Warren Commission report only holds together if the Magic Bullet traveled the path they describe. Unfortunately for them the Parkland Hospital doctors who operated on Kennedy said the first bullet entry was the throat area, below the adam apple of JFK.

The Warren Commission changed this saying the bullet entry was near the neck area, and it path lead it to exit the throat. This is dishonest and unfortunately the got away with it. We have photographs of President Kennedy bloody clothing and they show a small circle opening near the back of the shirt he wore that day. If the bullet impacted this area it would not be possible for the magic bullet theory to work. So they changed the entry wound location to be closer to the neck area. The evidence is 4 maybe bullets got fired that day.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Warren Commission report only holds together if the Magic Bullet traveled the path they describe. Unfortunately for them the Parkland Hospital doctors who operated on Kennedy said the first bullet entry was the throat area, below the adam apple of JFK.

The Warren Commission changed this saying the bullet entry was near the neck area, and it path lead it to exit the throat. This is dishonest and unfortunately the got away with it. We have photographs of President Kennedy bloody clothing and they show a small circle opening near the back of the shirt he wore that day. If the bullet impacted this area it would not be possible for the magic bullet theory to work. So they changed the entry wound location to be closer to the neck area. The evidence is 4 maybe bullets got fired that day.

Forget the Warren Commission. We now have 3D model capability. Watch this.

Cortina_MK_IV

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Whats clear to me is some people on here would believe in the tooth fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. The real conspiracy theorists here are the ones claiming this is the act of a Lone wolf. That is just lunatic stuff and unfortunately the media have been pulling the wool over your eyes for years.
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Generally speaking do you think it is possible for a lone gunman to carry out an attack like this?

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Forget the Warren Commission. We now have 3D model capability. Watch this.

Meaningless video when we have the original autopsy drawings. You clearly see where the doctors on scene believed a bullet had impacted Kennedy. This clearly is a back wound below the neck.



Kennedy shirt and Jacket. Clear as day the bullet impacted nowhere near the neck area line of his body.

Whiplash85

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

Generally speaking do you think it is possible for a lone gunman to carry out an attack like this?

Why of course it is possible for one person to committ these acts. Look at Vegas shootings or Anders Brevik etc. Why it is possible that a lone wolf could committ dozens of killings. The story requires context though. There are too many holes in the story of the Warren commission for it to be true. I always ask myself would Oswald be convicted today in court and the answer is he wouldn't. The evidence is highly circumstantial. There is not a chance he gets convicted. Multiple witnesses saw shooters at the grassy knoll. Indeed there was a stampede of people up the grassy knoll. No one saw Oswald in the window. 2 co workers saw him around first floor having a coke literally minutes before he was supposed to be up on a snipers nest trying to take out the president.

Whiplash85

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

You will have to ask Bobby Kennedy what he did with his brothers brain, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/brain.txt

Oh yes because if God forbid someones brother died that would be one of the things they'd do right, steal their brothers brain. Jesus Christ

Cheerful Spring

Taken from the Internet.

The Warren report's first draft said: "A bullet had entered his [President Kennedy's] back at a point slightly below the shoulder to the right of the spine." Had that stood, the trajectory would have made it impossible for the bullet that struck Kennedy to come out his neck, and then somehow critically wound Connally.

This guy seems to be awarded for lies and coverup, he became President.

Warren Commission member Congressman Gerald Ford pressed the panel to change its description of the wound and place it higher in Kennedy's body. Ford wanted the wording changed to: "A bullet had entered the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine." The panel's final version was: "A bullet had entered the base of the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine."


This crucial change only came to light in 1997, when the Assassination Record Review Board released handwritten notes made by Ford that had been kept by J. Lee Rankin, the Warren Commission's chief counsel.

Changing evidence to be more precise? And the media left this guys answer stand

When the alteration was brought to Ford's attention in 1997, he said it "had nothing to do with (thwarting) a conspiracy theory" and was made "only in an attempt to be more precise[/B] W


Assassination researcher Robert Morningstar, however, called the change "the most significant lie in the whole Warren Commission report." He pointed out that if the bullet had hit Kennedy in the back, it could not have gone on to strike Connally the way the commission said it did. Morningstar contended that the effect of Ford's editing suggested that a bullet hit the president in the neck – "raising the wound two or three inches. Without that alteration, they could never have hoodwinked the public as to the true number of assassins."

Tipsy McSwagger

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Apart from personal world views and incredulity, who pulled the trigger? from where? how many shots? where is the evidence of those shots? who ordered than person? names, dates with evidence

You will be waiting a long time for an answer.

Are Am Eye

So Cheerful Spring you're questioning the position of the entry wound of the second shot from behind. Ok. Are you still maintaining that a CIA spy fired a 'Mauser' Rifle from the depository to make this wound. If so why are there are lies about this. You also stand by the main line conspiracy that a french criminal (Lucien Sarti) working at the behest of the CIA conspiracy group was behind the picket fence in the stock yard. So if he was the main killer then why is the shot from behind significant.

What exactly is your sequence of events?

Whiplash85

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Apart from personal world views and incredulity, who pulled the trigger? from where? how many shots? where is the evidence of those shots? who ordered than person? names, dates with evidence

Its not incredulity or personal world views. I have literally read thousands of government documents on this and listened to witness interviews. It probably makes me a saddo but world history is my thing. I believe there were 4 shots. There were 3 shells found in the snipers nest and one live round in the chamber. I am no mathematician but the numbers don't add up.

There are a lot of questions there in what is a really difficult case. Sometimes people have an aversion to even trying to understand difficult scenarios. If you asked most people during the global economic crisis about derivatives or CFD's their eyes would glaze over. even though it might mean that the bank that they owed money to is now owned by a vulture fund and wants to foreclose on their mortgage. But I digress, this is a riddle wrapped up in an enigma and I would guess some of the people that were part of this act dont even know some of the other people who were in on it.

Ultimately though I believe it was a CIA and mafia lead attack on JFK with LBJ up to his neck in it and some wealthy oil benefactors in Texas.

I believe shots was fired from Dallas Tex building, Grassy Knoll and a storm drain. The evidence of those shots lies in the entry wounds as described by doctors at parkland. Also multiple and I mean multiple witness testimony describing one shot sounding like a firecracker and a much different sounding 2nd and 3rd shots that came very close together indicating different shooters. Those 2nd and third shots were supposed to have being fired in 2.3 seconds and were one head shot and one near head shot with a bolt action rifle ( again indicating different shooters).

With regards to the last part of your question. Names and dates etc. It was probably planned at a party in Clint Murchinsons house in which LBJ was at.

Tipsy McSwagger

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Meaningless video when we have the original autopsy drawings. You clearly see where the doctors on scene believed a bullet had impacted Kennedy. This clearly is a back wound below the neck.



Kennedy shirt and Jacket. Clear as day the bullet impacted nowhere near the neck area line of his body.

Why does Kennedy reach for his neck then and literally put both his hands around his throat?

Whiplash85

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

You will be waiting a long time for an answer.

You just chime in with smart alecy remarks. I bet you are a holocaust denier too. You haven't being able to challenge one assertion. As a wise man said consensus is a terrible thing. When reached, thinking stops. I bet you never even had a brain to start with and instead leave others do the thinking for you.

Whiplash85

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Why does Kennedy reach for his neck then and literally put both his hands around his throat?

Grab your neck and see do your elbows rise to the level or your shoulders. Then watch the film again.

Cheerful Spring

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Why does Kennedy reach for his neck then and literally put both his hands around his throat?

You do realize the Parkland Hospital doctors said the first bullet hit the the throat area, from the front ( it was the entry point?)

The Magic bullet ( impacting Kennedy neck at the back) and it exited the throat. Different versions of the same event.

We now know the Warren Commission lied about were Kennedy got hit with the first bullet. They had to manipulate evidence to convince people of their findings.

Are Am Eye

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You do realize the Parkland Hospital doctors said the first bullet hit the the throat area, from the front ( it was the entry point?)

These Doctors while they might have done a fine job in the hopeless task of saving his life, they seemed to to misconstrue the gun wounds he had. They stuck a tracheostomy straight through the exit wound of shot two. Without recording that they'd done so. Thus forgetting that that exit wound exited.

Cheerful Spring

Are Am Eye wrote: »

These Doctors while they might have done a fine job in the hopeless task of saving his life, they seemed to to misconstrue the gun wounds he had. They stuck a tracheostomy straight through the exit wound of shot two. Without recording that they'd done so. Thus forgetting that that exit wound exited.

Wrong. The Doctors noticed an entry wound near the throat before they tried to save Kennedy life. The tracheostomy was placed in this area, why not, it was at the right location to stick it in to and save them time making an incision. The second shot was when the area/side of his brain exploded and he jerked to the left.

Whiplash85

Are Am Eye wrote: »

These Doctors while they might have done a fine job in the hopeless task of saving his life, they seemed to to misconstrue the gun wounds he had. They stuck a tracheostomy straight through the exit wound of shot two. Without recording that they'd done so. Thus forgetting that that exit wound exited.

It wasn't they. It was Dr Perry who was known as one of the finest doctors with a scalpal. The tracheostomy hole should be tiny but on the photos it was seen as a rather large crude gaping wound. JFK's body was tampered with

Tipsy McSwagger

Whiplash85 wrote: »

You just chime in with smart alecy remarks. I bet you are a holocaust denier too. You haven't being able to challenge one assertion. As a wise man said consensus is a terrible thing. When reached, thinking stops. I bet you never even had a brain to start with and instead leave others do the thinking for you.

So that’s a no then.

Tipsy McSwagger

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Grab your neck and see do your elbows rise to the level or your shoulders. Then watch the film again.

I think Kennedy’s brain will be found before your one.

Whiplash85

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

So that’s a no then.

I answered him already you mong. Look for the audit trail. I was asked a series of questions in post #422, you posted some drivel in #433 and 7 minutes later in post 435 I gave a detailed response to the question posed in #422.
Its like having a debate with a goldfish.

tomwaterford

Whiplash85 wrote: »

I answered him already you mong. Look for the audit trail. I was asked a series of questions in post #422, you posted some drivel in #433 and 7 minutes later in post 435 I gave a detailed response to the question posed in #422.
Its like having a debate with a goldfish.

Cant post search on the touch site??...but you seem very on edge about this....chill the CIA won't come after ya :P

Whiplash85

tomwaterford wrote: »

Cant post search on the touch site??...but you seem very on edge about this....chill the CIA won't come after ya :P

I hope not. I only applied for an Esta VISA yesterday.:D

Are Am Eye

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Wrong. The Doctors noticed an entry wound near the throat before they tried to save Kennedy life. The tracheostomy was placed in this area, why not, it was at the right location to stick it in to and save them time making an incision. The second shot was when the area/side of his brain exploded and he jerked to the left.

No they didn't record it as any kind of wound. And they were later confused by the entry wound in his back which they thought then had neither a corresponding exit wound or a slug embedded in his body.
The point being they were focused on trying to save him and made a balls of any kind of assessment of his wounds.
This means they're input on this subject such that it is must be cautiously understood in the wider context.

Tipsy McSwagger

Whiplash85 wrote: »

I answered him already you mong. Look for the audit trail. I was asked a series of questions in post #422, you posted some drivel in #433 and 7 minutes later in post 435 I gave a detailed response to the question posed in #422.
Its like having a debate with a goldfish.

I just read your post and you believe LBJ was behind it. So the guy who organized the shooting decided the best place for him to be while all these shots were being fired by Woody Harrelsons father on the grassy knoll, Pennywise in the storm drain and Joe Pesci in a building opposite the grassy knoll was 2 cars back sitting beside his wife? Ridiculous.

Are Am Eye

Whiplash85 wrote: »

JFK's body was tampered with

Usual ungrounded supposition. Whether you like it or not the wounds tally with the three shots fired from the direction of the depository. Which tally with the various amateur video footage taken at the scene that day (x3).

What you need to understand is if people hypothetically conspired to kill him they would do so in a manner which did not require independent Doctors to be in on the act and tamper with evidence.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Whiplash85 wrote: »

You just chime in with smart alecy remarks. I bet you are a holocaust denier too. You haven't being able to challenge one assertion. As a wise man said consensus is a terrible thing. When reached, thinking stops. I bet you never even had a brain to start with and instead leave others do the thinking for you.

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Grab your neck and see do your elbows rise to the level or your shoulders. Then watch the film again.

Mod note: Cut that out! If you cannot discuss civilly then find another thread to post in.

Buford T. Justice.