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However, the reason why WWI and WWII were so destructive was precisely because of the reasons I outlined above. If a tribe in Africa wants to wipe out another tribe across the plains, then the human costs is quite small and also very inefficient. If a fully industrialised nation state wants to go to war with another industrialised nation state then the means of destructive are in order of magnitude a lot higher, hence more death and destruction. Think spears versus nuclear weapons.
The only difference to the butchery is there weaponry as you say. Neither group is all the more enlightened, as we see people will if things go the wrong way, engage in wanton butchery. Also, it should be noted technological advancement was not equally spread through out Europe. For example, the Germans were easily able to conquer Poland, who were at a steep technological disadvantage.Take the power of the atom. It wasn't some tribe in the Amazon who discovered it nor learned how to split it. They were men of European origins. Why? Because over time the scientific method was created among another 101 reasons. Galileo, Cornipicious, Socrates, Aristotle, Newton, Edison and so on.
Standing on the shoulders of Giants and all that.
I would think the splitting of the atom a grave error, one of the worse our species has ever made, and one that may yet see the end of us. Its not really something to celebrate our species ability to annihilate ourselves in so short an amount of time.
You cherry picked you thinkers. Here is another list Confucius, Sun Tzu, Satyendra Nath Bose, Mencius, Abū Bakr Muhammad ibn Zakariyyā al-Rāzī, Saadia Gaon, Avicenna, Rumi. Its not hard to construct a completely biased list. All people have had there great thinkers, a lot of whom built on work done by others from other cultures. The best thinkers tend not to artificially limit themselves like that.So, yes. We Europeans were and pretty much still are more enlightened than others, warts and all. Faux indignation of uncomfortable truths not withstanding. I ask anyone then to name a culture, nation state or civilisation that is superior, so much so you would like to live there. I expect a giant tumbleweed to float past me now.
Plenty of European expats living all over the world.
As for civilizations being superior. Its pretty much swings and roundabouts. One day your on top and eventually it all comes tumbling down. It wasn't that long ago that civilized European were doing there damnedest to kill each other (most recent bout of butchery occurring during my lifetime in the 90s), I remember refugees coming from what were until the butchery started perfectly civilized places, or so they taught.0 -
The actively cover up and destroy evidence. I mentioned operation legacy several times already
As opposed to the US which put things under seal? there are far more conspiracy theories about American activities. Most countries (I'm actually assuming that all countries do so) will select certain past activities and make them unavailable to the public for 50/60/100 years.World of difference between not dwelling on certain parts of history and the active destruction of historical evidence. You are not comparing like with like at all.
Of course, I'm not.As I said the Brits are rather efficient, when it comes to covering up there own crimes and you have yet to provide any evidence to the contrary.
Except I never claimed they didn't. I merely point out that there are plenty of countries that behaved horribly. Until you introduced hiding or destroying historic information, we were talking about their behavior.The thing about the Brits is that they loved to promote people of a certain class. We still see some of that today even in the UK.
Um. 'Class' was always a major mark of distinction/division. It's only relatively recently that our societies are moving away from it. But once again, I don't see how it makes the British worse than other empires in Europe or the rest of the world.
Irish people chose to serve within the Empire for their own benefit. If they chose to ignore their heritage and embrace their English side, then that's on them.It was deliberate tactic to play one group against another. Divide and rule is actually pretty well covered btw. These tactics by the British empire are still causing trouble to this day the world over, including our own island.
Yup. Sure. That kind of tactic was used in the conquest of Scotland. Very effective in Ireland. Irish people very willing to take some land/money/bribe to turn on their own people, allowing the English in. I guess the English learned it from the Romans. Or the Germans (HRE). And why not use it? Cut down on casualties for very little actual cost.
You can look at the way that Britain "managed" Ireland and find similar tactics being used worldwide,So, only a minority of Irish people were actually involved.
Well, yes, since most Irish were dirt poor. Money was king. Buy your rank in the military, buy your seat in politics, etc. Would severely hamper peoples ability to get a high position. And you'll find the same within English society where it was a minority who had any power/influence, especially in nations that arose from a Monarchy/'lords' system.Empire always found willing locals to help them oppress there own people in exchange for power, money etc. Its nothing new, and doesn't really change a lot.
No, but it does put a bit of a spike in your desire to highlight the British Empire as being the worst.Vast majority were still colonized and willing locals doesn't really change that.
But it should be acknowledged as being a factor. As I said previously, criticism of another nationality tends to ignore the behavior of their own groupings. British rule in Ireland would never have been so complete without Irish people willing to serve in the police, the Army etc.0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »Except I never claimed they didn't. I merely point out that there are plenty of countries that behaved horribly. Until you introduced hiding or destroying historic information, we were talking about their behavior.
Except that was the whole point of my very first point in this thread, about people hiding what they did in the past............ You seem to be talking around what I have actually said. 0 -
So, yes. We Europeans were and pretty much still are more enlightened than others, warts and all. Faux indignation of uncomfortable truths not withstanding. I ask anyone then to name a culture, nation state or civilisation that is superior, so much so you would like to live there. I expect a giant tumbleweed to float past me now.
We're also way better at killing each other, getting depressed and self destructing in a bad way on a societal level (multiculturalism, feminism, atomization), white collar crime, causing massive blowups in the financial sector and other countries through colonization, nihilism, stupid economic policies which cause the deaths of millions (socialism) and rationalizing away the most ridiculous things that can get people in serious trouble in the long run.
If Europeans are superior at creating and advancing civilization (which we are), then we're also way better at destroying it.
This is my fundamental disagreement with some of the Alt Right. I can't see whites as superior in anyway for that reason.0 -
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The only difference to the butchery is there weaponry as you say. Neither group is all the more enlightened, as we see people will if things go the wrong way, engage in wanton butchery. Also, it should be noted technological advancement was not equally spread through out Europe. For example, the Germans were easily able to conquer Poland, who were at a steep technological disadvantage.
But the question you have to ask yourself, how did that weaponry come about? Isn't there not an inherent advancement and enlightenment to invent these weapons? Gunpowder was taken from the Chinese but was refined and advanced by Europeans. If two peoples go to war, one bring spears, the other bring machine guns, what people are more advanced?
The Poles still had infantry, tanks, airplanes and so forth. Tribes in Africa and elsewhere would still have spears.
I would think the splitting of the atom a grave error, one of the worse our species has ever made, and one that may yet see the end of us. Its not really something to celebrate our species ability to annihilate ourselves in so short an amount of time.
Perhaps, but its great to see all that in hindsight. The alternative of course is to live in caves, afraid that the next technological advanced will cull the human race.You cherry picked you thinkers. Here is another list Confucius, Sun Tzu, Satyendra Nath Bose, Mencius, Abū Bakr Muhammad ibn Zakariyyā al-Rāzī, Saadia Gaon, Avicenna, Rumi. Its not hard to construct a completely biased list. All people have had there great thinkers, a lot of whom built on work done by others from other cultures. The best thinkers tend not to artificially limit themselves like that.
Satyendra Nath Bose is a good example of someone standing on the shoulders of giants. He is a product of the western university system. Oh, he went to University in Calcutta you say. Yes, but it was founded in 1857 under a Western secular system, under the British. It is a good example of Europeans exporting the secret sauce so that other peoples from different cultures can tap into it.
Anyway, I did not say my list was exhaustive and indeed there were other great thinkers out there who were not European. However, the vast majority of progress and technological advancements has occurred under Western Liberal systems.
The Chinese were great thinkers but became insular and inward looking since the 13th century.
The Arab world pioneered many things including maths, yet Islam got their claws in and nothing of note has been writing in the Islamic world for the past 500 years has mattered. Since then, Europeans have steamed ahead.
Plenty of European expats living all over the world.
Weird comment, Yes they are, Mostly in places like USA, Australia, Canada and the like. I suppose no one from the 3rd world wants to come to Europe?As for civilizations being superior. Its pretty much swings and roundabouts. One day your on top and eventually it all comes tumbling down. It wasn't that long ago that civilized European were doing there damnedest to kill each other (most recent bout of butchery occurring during my lifetime in the 90s), I remember refugees coming from what were until the butchery started perfectly civilized places, or so they taught.
So I take your refusal to name one, means that in fact there are no societies or civilisations from now to the past you would have preferred to live in. Good, I agree. Western civilisation has been pretty much on top for the past 2500 years apart from a bit of a gap maybe called the dark ages where the Arab world and Chinese were quite advanced themselves.
It is weird that people who take the view that all cultures are equal yet ask them if they would like to move to these other equal cultures, they say no. Maybe they are just insecure about the dice roll life has given them?0 -
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