Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Straight Talker

The moral of the story here i think is to keep your discipline and take your goal chances. We should have had a bigger lead than two points at half time imo. Ruthless calls are needed from here onwards to save our season. I'm just not sure that Pat Ryan is the man to make them. Brion Saunderson needs to be in goal the next day anyway. Patrick Collins has had more than enough chances at this stage.

ShamoBuc

Saunderson should start the next day, but Ryan won't make that change I think. He should but he won't. A real pity as the team yesterday would probably have won with him on goal.

Collins was realistically our worst player.

Played poorly in Waterford too, costing us with his poor puckouts.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075558#Comment_122075558

It's a pity you didn't do that Google-inspired summary of the Kyle Hayes case before you needlessly posted a lie about his assault charge. Didn't take much effort did it?

Straight Talker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075813#Comment_122075813

You're just being petty for the sake of it now. If his sentence wasn't suspended then he would've been jailed for two years. That's enough time wasted on you on ignore you go. Go and waste someone else's time please.🙄 You aren't a moderator here so lose that high and mighty attitude.

awaywithyou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075645#Comment_122075645

Go back to Jimmy Barry murphy time in charge of team... in his first year in 1996 cork were hammered.. there was improvement in 97.. things went backwards in 98 when clare hammered cork... but then the breakthrough came in 99 in Waterford game.. Pat Ryan played midfield and a fine player he was.. bit of patience might be no harm... I do think Pat does come across as a little Conservative in his management style... I might be wrong

carq

i see the retroactive glossing over of kyle hayes actions is in full swing- nothing to see here!

sure it was only violent disorder!

Straight Talker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075849#Comment_122075849

The thing is though we do have Ben O'Connor waiting in the wings to take over as manager. If we change keepers the next day then that would be a sign that Pat Ryan is learning from his mistakes. I wouldn't say we went backwards in 1998 either. We won our most recent league title that year, and won our first championship game (apart from Kerry in 1995) since 1992 as well that year.

keeponhurling

He might not be the best man for the job, but Pat Ryan hasn't had a lot of luck.

So narrowly eliminated last year after some good performances. Two narrow defeats this year, yesterday's game really could have gone either way. What cost them was poor discipline, and by experienced lads too.

The 2nd yellow card was done when Cork had the ball, so cost them a point also from the free in. Clare were really on the ropes at one stage late on and a stupid foul by Cahalane gave them an easy free in and a chance to regroup. These ultimately cost them.

Clearly Ryan is trying to blend in the younger players while keeping some experience around. It's a devastating blow to be possibly out again in the group stages, with a longer run the younger players would grow into it…

It is conceivable that at some point these narrow defeats turn into narrow wins.

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075976#Comment_122075976

There are a few things about Pat Ryan that simply doesn't cut the mustard.

1. He doesnt know his best starting 15. The team he started against Waterford was a poor call.

2. He is too slow to make changes and not tactically inept. Worse than Kingston and Meyler ever were.

3 Persistently going with the old lads and that includes Hoggie. Yes Hoggie is one of the best players to put on the Cork jersey but imo he should be just an impact sub now or 50 mins player max if he starts. Cahalane and Lehane have never been good enough and should never put on the Cork jersey again. Yes they are giving huge committment to Cork and we thank them for that but the latter two are simply not good enough and never were.

4. The goalkeeper is an issue and he needs replacing. He shouldn't ever start for Cork again. He's useless.

5. Cork are too open in defense, this is going back years to 2013.

6. Cork didn't take the league seriously this year and last. They need to start doing so because we all know they can't produce it when it matters in championship and short seasons are now becoming the norm for Cork hurling.

7. Not enough u20 players were brought into the panel from All Ireland winning teams. Why isn't this happening when Cork hurling is going through a crisis?

8. The Cork team are now a bunch of bottlers and that tag needs to change fast or we will become the Offaly of Munster hurling disappearing into the horizon. Until we turn it around, we are always going to be the softies in the hurling world.

9. Limerick will still beat us when everything is on the line for Cork hurling but people be still happy with Cork if they lose and dare not question or criticise the performance. We are accepting lower standards in Cork hurling now for a county with a proud hurling tradition.

thesultan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122074933#Comment_122074933

Did Eoin Downey not do the same in the first half.

thesultan

A few things from yesterday.

Firstly Clare two of Clare's most influential players were very quiet for the most part of the game but when they were needed Fitzgerald and Ryan stood up.

They all talk about Joyce being this great centre back but that's two games in a row he has got cleaned .

Fitzgibbon had a great goal chance than he funked with a very poor shot and this on Quillivan with not much confidence after the previous week.

Cork supporters except the team to be winning as they have won a few 20's All Ireland . Tipp have won a few too and they look a mile off the pace.

Straight Talker

@thesultan Well Pat Ryan is not blooding enough of those u20 all Ireland winning players! We'd just like to see a team that's well coached and organised, and a team that doesn't keep conceding sloppy goals, and sloppy points from puckouts.

In fairness we kept fighting until to the end against what is probably the second best team in the country with 14 men, but we really do need to smarten up tactically.

Slow the game down a bit when on top that sort of thing etc.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075836#Comment_122075836

No pettiness. You said he was convicted of assault. I pointed out that you were wrong which you were and you admitted that albeit in a rigmarole roundabout way but you admitted it. It's no more complicated than that.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075854#Comment_122075854

Never mentioned "it was only......." - those are your words. Just correcting a blatant lie.

Straight Talker

It's hard to win anything when you don't have a dominant half back line, and no one up front to win the ball apart from Seamus Harnedy.

It's been this way for well over a decade, and until it's resolved then we'll be continuing to bang our heads against a brick wall at senior level.

If we do lose to Limerick then hopefully we'll still be in with a chance going into the Tipperary game. I looked at the Tipp thread earlier and they seem to be even more despondent than us!

The historical main two biggest powers in Munster hurling possibly playing off to avoid the wooden spoon! At least Tipp to be fair did win an all Ireland as recently as five years ago though.

The White Feather

The Cork V Kerry Minor Football Quarter final game will be on youtube tomorrow night from 18.55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zolmd-AMoM

ShamoBuc

Mod Note

This is the Cork thread - move on from Hayes chat please as that is best commented on elsewhere at this stage..

zetecescort

both the u20 football on Wednesday and u20 hurling on Friday will be live on TG4

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078373#Comment_122078373

How could we still be in with a chance with 3 losses?

ShamoBuc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078974#Comment_122078974

Limerick beat everyone.... Tip beat Waterford......Clare beat Tip and Waterford and we beat Tip..... goes to scoring average then.

sportsfan90

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078974#Comment_122078974

If 2 teams finish level on points it goes on head to head between those 2 teams. If three or more teams are level on points, then it goes on scoring difference across all the matches. I think (open to correction) that it's slightly different in Leinster where the scoring difference would only be counted in the matches involving those counties.

If Limerick and Clare win the rest of their group matches, we beat Tipp and Tipp beat Waterford, then 3 counties would finish level on 2 points each and the team with the best scoring difference would get third spot. Tipp already look in trouble if this is the case, but then again Cork and Waterfords scoring difference could also take a dent against Limerick aswell.

Basically we want Tipp to beat Waterford this weekend.

lukin

I'll probably have a few people disagreeing with me on this but I don't think a team that loses two games should be allowed go amy further in the championship. It would feel a bit hollow for me.

namloc1980

Jaysus lads that's a bit of a stretch there. It would be absolutely embarrassing for Cork to get through with 3 losses.

lukin

The Cork v Kerry minor football game tomorrow night is on TG4's YouTube channel

https://twitter.com/SportTG4/status/1784974470513307648/photo/1

BarryNumber1

A question on the sending off for any expert on the (actual) rules… I had to re-watch the sending off again and a few things struck me… as pointed out the ref didn't consult with linesmen and he was back towards the half way line, while O'Donoghue did aim to cut off O'Donnell it was shoulder-to-shoulder and no elbows raised. If O'Donoghue is significantly bigger than O'Donnell physics will dictate O'Donnell will come off worse.

There's a lot of aggressive shouldering in hurling, starting with the throw in and those seem to be fine. Later on in the All-Ireland series players will be getting bigger hits and those won't be called either. So, what's the official reason for the sending off here?

sportsfan90

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079239#Comment_122079239

I think any of Cork, Tipp and Waterford would bite your hand off right now for scraping through in that manner. It’s just the way results go sometimes, Clare didn’t get through in 2019 with 4 points and another year it’s possible that 2 points could get a team through.

Same as any league really, Liverpool got second place in the soccer one year with 97 points, another year Newcastle with points in the high 60s got the same second place finish. All Cork can do is try to win their remaining games and hope it’s enough.

Straight Talker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078974#Comment_122078974

If Waterford lose to Tipp, Limerick and Clare there would be one, albeit it's a tall order alright. I'd happily take it. Any extra games we can get the better imo.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079365#Comment_122079365

What makes you think an extra game means we can get better? Losing like this in Munster shouldn't be acceptable but I get a sense a lot of Cork fans are now happy to be also-rans and to scrape through. Getting through with 3 defeats would be grim and far from something to be happy about about. Could mean Ryan would hang on for another year also. Wouldn't be good.

ShamoBuc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079415#Comment_122079415

We lost 2 games, by narrow margins, playing crap in one of them, quite a lot of major decisions went against us and had a man sent off in both. We could easily have had 1 or 2 wins.

If we had 2 performances as bad as Tip's first one, then fair enough. But we didn't.

Ryan will be gone at the end of the season anyway.

BarryNumber1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079780#Comment_122079780

3 year term, no?