Cork GAA Discussion Thread

caddy16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122074953#Comment_122074953

Trying to be mr popular, it was a clear yellow card. I try not to comment on most of your posts because it's clear you've never hurled so I'll just revert to ignoring you again.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122074975#Comment_122074975

i am not trying to mr popular , i call it as i see it , dont worry i hurled too obviously not as good as yourself of course

remember last year when you stuck in me because i said the clare v cork game in cusack park was poor game with an exciting finish that made the standard look better then what it was ,

i think you were corrected by about 3 other posters on it , it took you only 5 minutes to be corrected tonight , in my opinion you haven't a notation in what you are talking about and more then me can see it so ignore away

Straight Talker

You'd think putting 3 24 on the scoreboard would be enough to win the game.

We just concede way too many scores. I just get the impression that the players are just left to their own devices with regards to tactics and the gameplan etc.

You'd like to think we have it in us to give Limerick a game but a monumental improvement will be required.

Since that most recent strike we've had occasional flashes of promise nearly pulling an all Ireland out of the bag in 2013, winning Munster titles in 2014, 2017 and 2018 and getting to an all Ireland final in 2021.

Overall though there's been a lot of false dawn's and disappointment over the last fifteen or so years.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075025#Comment_122075025

to be honest it the scoreline reflected the game its self and what was at stake , like the goal hoggie got at the end was criminal by clare roary hayes had his back to the ball as it went over his shoulder , bit it was one of the most off the cuff second halves you would ever see ,

i do feel though the subs made no impact whatsoever , coleman weakened the team , rob o flynn and luke meade made no impact either , robbie couldnt win any ball that was pucked down on top of him , and diarmuid ryan really came into the game once harnedy went off and actually set up the final clare goal

niall o leary was unlucky , but he probably was stupid given the man in charge of the game , i stand on what i say about adam hogan for once we got the rub of the green today

chrisd2019

There seemed to be no plan for puck out today, so many Clare scores originated from possession lost from Cork puckouts. Lost track of the number of long puckouts to the corner forwards that were turned over by Clare and converted into score for Clare.

Also there was no plan to slow down the game when well ahead.

Straight Talker

Pat Ryan was an all Ireland winning manager at U20 level the same as Ben O'Connor.

I just thought the senior teams performances would be greatly improved under him by now. Instead we're going backwards! At least John Meyler and Kieran Kingston were able to navigate their way out of Munster!

Cork under Pat Ryan so far come across as a very brainless team to me. We have no hurling smarts whatsoever.

Ben O'Connor is a Cork hurling legend and all Ireland winning captain. I just think a senior team with him in charge would be a lot tougher and more organised etc.

In fairness his U20 teams will always die for the jersey. I just think that's the way to go and make 2025 the year we just go for broke with the younger players like in 1999 and 2013.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075097#Comment_122075097

the short to medium puck outs were a disaster , but when changes were made in meade and o flynn everything went clares way , i expected much more from both today especially robbie , dalton was a huge loss going off too though

Cork2021

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075097#Comment_122075097

there definitely was a plan for puck outs, every team down to junior b level has a plan, it’s keepers distribution was god damn awful! Don’t mind your ref or sendings off, it was losing our own puck outs that lost it. Collins isn’t a top class keeper, his accuracy is terrible. When we went 7 points up, he directly gave Clare 1-3 within 5-7 minutes

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075134#Comment_122075134

the ben cunningham situation is ridiculous , he should have played at least 3 league games this year and be ready to start against waterford , not one word was spoken about either kyle hayes or ciaran mcfaul at the start of the championship so if the rumor that ryan didnt want on the panel because of a court case then its a joke

Straight Talker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075204#Comment_122075204

The Ben Cunningham case has been dealt with by the courts. Limerick have a player who assaulted someone starting on their team! Pat Ryan has a duty to the people of Cork to select the strongest possible panel available. Michael Mullins the u20 captain last year should be on the panel as well.

I'm not expecting that it's a case of Ben O'Connor waving a magic wand and everything turning good overnight. As i said earlier we have no settled team, and Pat Ryan is two years into his tenure as manager now.

At the current moment in time with just the one championship win to his name, he's on course to be our worst manager since Charlie McCarthy in 1988 and Con Roche in 1989! In fairness though at least both Charlie and Con were great players for Cork.

BarryNumber1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122074840#Comment_122074840

Brainless, but especially brainless considering it was O'Donnell who is crafty out and acted like it was a head injury the way he went down. Clare have been doing that a bit and Ryan should have had the Cork players prepped, esp for the time wasting by Clare towards the end of the game. That Red plus equally brainless puck outs cost Cork the game. Still fair play to Clare they did what they had to do to win.

Wouldn't like to see Pat Ryan go… When Cork were flying today they were great. That said it will be another year or so for Cunningham and that other Barrs man Buckley to get into the senior squad. That's when Cork will have their chance.

Hopefully Cork will put it up to Limerick and Tipp in the next 2 games and we'll see how it pans out.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075270#Comment_122075270

of course it has , but so what , bring the lad into the panel ye need him , he is a quality hurler , if ryan is holding him back its pure stupid for that reason

Straight Talker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075318#Comment_122075318

Exactly that's what i was getting at, the courts have dealt with the issue so management shouldn't be using that as an excuse to leave him out of the panel. Especially when we have lads in other counties doing worse! A Cork team with Ben Cunningham, Michael Mullins, Will Buckley and a few more will be a lot stronger next year. I just think Pat Ryan doesn't seem to be the man to get the best out of what we have in Cork.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075388#Comment_122075388

any player that is good enough at 19 used to be 18 we throw them in straight away , adam hogan a perfect example , why are cork waiting for them lads to turn 22 or 23 ,it makes no sense

look back at the cork team that played clare in the league , 7 of them are gone off the panel and all young lads

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075270#Comment_122075270

Who's the Limerick played that assaulted somebody? If it's Kyle Hayes you have in mind he was found not guilty of assault and a retraction would be appropriate. Legal people can be sensitive about loose comments like that. If it's someone we're unaware of maybe you'd say who it is?

Seadin

How many years will Cork go before they bridge the gap from 2005? If they are good enough to reach an All Ireland final they still probably lose a final before they win it.

I would safely say they are 5 years away anyway. No where good enough presently and Ryan isn't the man. He can't read the game and make changes quick enough and still resorts to playing the older players who haven't been good enough . What does Damien Cahalane and Conor Lehane have to do to not make the team? Collins being major problem too and won't drop him. He can't find his own players he's colour blind. He is costing us points I'm every game.

No point hoping for a miracle against Limerick, they will beat us out the pairc and it's coming lads. Our season is over. Tipp could beat us as well and that would finish our season as the worst team in Munster outside of Kerry. Depressing times being a Cork GAA supporter. Always find a way to lose now.

Straight Talker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075514#Comment_122075514

It was a high profile court case. A lot of people of commented about it both here and elsewhere, but yes he was found not guilty of assault. He was found guilty on two counts of violent disorder instead and given a two year suspended sentence for it. Anyway have you anything Cork GAA related to say at all?

Straight Talker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075519#Comment_122075519

Things might change with Ben O'Connor as manager and some more u20's blooded, but i do worry that we wont see a senior all Ireland in either code this side of 2030. Clare, Kilkenny and possibly Galway are Limericks main challengers right now. Ourselves, Tipperary, Waterford, Wexford and Dublin are tier two hurling counties at the moment imo. The footballers are showing great improvement under John Cleary so far though.

Straight Talker

There's still a few of the anti strike/pro Frank crowd around the place as well. Seanie McGrath was a great player for Cork, but he was a very vocal critic of the striking players during that most recent strike. He used to write articles for the Evening Echo. He did not come across to me, as being a particularly astute hurling man in them i have to say! He was a selector with the seniors under JBM as well, but he's now a selector with the minors under that other establishment man John Meyler!

To be fair to John though we did win a Munster title under him and he was very unlucky against Limerick in that 2018 all Ireland semi final as well.

I just don't see people like Seanie McGrath as being a part of the solution going forwards. People have spoken about Tomas Mulcahy being Cork manager over the years. I was never in favour of it, but he is an inspirational figure from our past who might be able to gee up and motivate the players.

Really though Ben O'Connor should be senior manager next year unless Pat Ryan pulls a rabbit or two out of the hat! I think Liam Sheedy expressed his interest in the Cork job once before as well on the Sunday Game. That wouldn't be a bad option if he genuinely still wants it. I honestly couldn't care less where the manager is from once Cork start winning again!

Straight Talker

The moral of the story here i think is to keep your discipline and take your goal chances. We should have had a bigger lead than two points at half time imo. Ruthless calls are needed from here onwards to save our season. I'm just not sure that Pat Ryan is the man to make them. Brion Saunderson needs to be in goal the next day anyway. Patrick Collins has had more than enough chances at this stage.

ShamoBuc

Saunderson should start the next day, but Ryan won't make that change I think. He should but he won't. A real pity as the team yesterday would probably have won with him on goal.

Collins was realistically our worst player.

Played poorly in Waterford too, costing us with his poor puckouts.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075558#Comment_122075558

It's a pity you didn't do that Google-inspired summary of the Kyle Hayes case before you needlessly posted a lie about his assault charge. Didn't take much effort did it?

Straight Talker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075813#Comment_122075813

You're just being petty for the sake of it now. If his sentence wasn't suspended then he would've been jailed for two years. That's enough time wasted on you on ignore you go. Go and waste someone else's time please.🙄 You aren't a moderator here so lose that high and mighty attitude.

awaywithyou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075645#Comment_122075645

Go back to Jimmy Barry murphy time in charge of team... in his first year in 1996 cork were hammered.. there was improvement in 97.. things went backwards in 98 when clare hammered cork... but then the breakthrough came in 99 in Waterford game.. Pat Ryan played midfield and a fine player he was.. bit of patience might be no harm... I do think Pat does come across as a little Conservative in his management style... I might be wrong

carq

i see the retroactive glossing over of kyle hayes actions is in full swing- nothing to see here!

sure it was only violent disorder!

Straight Talker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075849#Comment_122075849

The thing is though we do have Ben O'Connor waiting in the wings to take over as manager. If we change keepers the next day then that would be a sign that Pat Ryan is learning from his mistakes. I wouldn't say we went backwards in 1998 either. We won our most recent league title that year, and won our first championship game (apart from Kerry in 1995) since 1992 as well that year.

keeponhurling

He might not be the best man for the job, but Pat Ryan hasn't had a lot of luck.

So narrowly eliminated last year after some good performances. Two narrow defeats this year, yesterday's game really could have gone either way. What cost them was poor discipline, and by experienced lads too.

The 2nd yellow card was done when Cork had the ball, so cost them a point also from the free in. Clare were really on the ropes at one stage late on and a stupid foul by Cahalane gave them an easy free in and a chance to regroup. These ultimately cost them.

Clearly Ryan is trying to blend in the younger players while keeping some experience around. It's a devastating blow to be possibly out again in the group stages, with a longer run the younger players would grow into it…

It is conceivable that at some point these narrow defeats turn into narrow wins.

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075976#Comment_122075976

There are a few things about Pat Ryan that simply doesn't cut the mustard.

1. He doesnt know his best starting 15. The team he started against Waterford was a poor call.

2. He is too slow to make changes and not tactically inept. Worse than Kingston and Meyler ever were.

3 Persistently going with the old lads and that includes Hoggie. Yes Hoggie is one of the best players to put on the Cork jersey but imo he should be just an impact sub now or 50 mins player max if he starts. Cahalane and Lehane have never been good enough and should never put on the Cork jersey again. Yes they are giving huge committment to Cork and we thank them for that but the latter two are simply not good enough and never were.

4. The goalkeeper is an issue and he needs replacing. He shouldn't ever start for Cork again. He's useless.

5. Cork are too open in defense, this is going back years to 2013.

6. Cork didn't take the league seriously this year and last. They need to start doing so because we all know they can't produce it when it matters in championship and short seasons are now becoming the norm for Cork hurling.

7. Not enough u20 players were brought into the panel from All Ireland winning teams. Why isn't this happening when Cork hurling is going through a crisis?

8. The Cork team are now a bunch of bottlers and that tag needs to change fast or we will become the Offaly of Munster hurling disappearing into the horizon. Until we turn it around, we are always going to be the softies in the hurling world.

9. Limerick will still beat us when everything is on the line for Cork hurling but people be still happy with Cork if they lose and dare not question or criticise the performance. We are accepting lower standards in Cork hurling now for a county with a proud hurling tradition.

thesultan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122074933#Comment_122074933

Did Eoin Downey not do the same in the first half.

thesultan

A few things from yesterday.

Firstly Clare two of Clare's most influential players were very quiet for the most part of the game but when they were needed Fitzgerald and Ryan stood up.

They all talk about Joyce being this great centre back but that's two games in a row he has got cleaned .

Fitzgibbon had a great goal chance than he funked with a very poor shot and this on Quillivan with not much confidence after the previous week.

Cork supporters except the team to be winning as they have won a few 20's All Ireland . Tipp have won a few too and they look a mile off the pace.