'I just want a home for my children' - mum on housing list for 12 years

aligator_am

gctest50 wrote: »

The place needs babies though or the aging population thing will get worse


"There'll be a million over-65s in Ireland by 2031"

Yeah but this place needs babies who'll grow in to adults that will actually work, not turn in to spongers like their parents.

corner of hells

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Fathers need to become visible in the tear enducing trials of those with multiple children looking for social housing.

I heard the Limerick woman on radio earlier and her travails with her labour on her fifth child. No mention of a daddy at all. None, nor was it asked.

Maybe I am just a horrible person altogether at this stage.

Not at all , you make a valid point .
Providing housing like what's provided for that woman in Limerick just creates a generational sense of entitlement to be housed.
Her children will see nothing wrong with being housed by a housing association or a local authority and their children too.
It needs to be addressed at an early age where people learn to realise that being totally dependent on charities, local authorities or whatever housing association is available is not the norm.

In saying that some groups in society do need to supported and housed in society.

splinter65

suicide_circus wrote: »

This is a side effect of the welfare state. The welfare state rewards poor decisions.

The welfare state insists that there’s equality of consequences.
Everyone agrees that there has to be equality of opportunity.
But there shouldn’t be equality of consequences.
If 2 girls leave school at 18 having done the LC and one decides to knuckle down and work hard at 3rd level, maybe get a weekend job in a bar, get her degree, get an entry level job in the profession of her choice and work her way up maybe having a good job, nice house, nice car, fiancée maybe at about 32/33 then the other one, who partied too much at college dropped out went on the dole had a couple of kids from short term relationships and ended up back living at home DOESNT deserve to have priveleges as the first girl.
Sorry, she just doesn’t.
Currently there’s an expectation that you can **** up as much as you like for as long as you like and your still entitled to come out of it smelling like roses.
Sorry, that’s just wrong.

Spanish Eyes

corner of hells wrote: »

Not at all , you make a valid point .
Providing housing like what's provided for that woman in Limerick just creates a generational sense of entitlement to be housed.
Her children will see nothing wrong with being housed by a housing association or a local authority and their children too.
It needs to be addressed at an early age where people learn to realise that being totally dependent on charities, local authorities or whatever housing association is available is not the norm.

In saying that some groups in society do need to supported and housed in society.

The lady in question sounded like a great mother and had a good and positive attitude really. But when I heard that she was about to go into labour on her FIFTH child, and the child was in neonatal care while they were in the hotel, I questioned where the Dad was. Never mentioned at all in the interview. Family and friends yes, but Dad, no, nothing.

Surely there was a father there somewhere if she was about to give birth?

But it is never mentioned EVER. Free houses for the mammy who has a baby or two or more. Sorry for the cynicism. But you'd have to have blinkers on now.

corner of hells

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Not at all , you make a valid point .
Providing housing like what's provided for that woman in Limerick just creates a generational sense of entitlement to be housed.
Her children will see nothing wrong with being housed by a housing association or a local authority and their children too.
It needs to be addressed at an early age where people learn to realise that being totally dependent on charities, local authorities or whatever housing association is available is not the norm.

In saying that some groups in society do need to supported and housed in society.

The lady in question sounded like a great mother and had a good and positive attitude really. But when I heard that she was about to go into labour on her FIFTH child, and the child was in neonatal care while they were in the hotel, I questioned where the Dad was. Never mentioned at all in the interview. Family and friends yes, but Dad, no, nothing.

Surely there was a father there somewhere if she was about to give birth?

But it is never mentioned EVER. Free houses for the mammy who has a baby or two or more. Sorry for the cynicism. But you'd have to have blinkers on now.

You're not being cynical , what you're doing is "pointing out the elephant in room" , it's a question that's screaming out to be asked.

I've said it before, I work in homeless services with people who will never be housed appropriately. Individuals with dual diagnosis, mental ill health , chronic addictions etc .
Oddly enough I actually believe the state has no intention of ever building huge swathes of council houses again and rightly so.

Rent has to be addressed along with
Leases to properties for 5 ,10 15 year leases etc.

Wheeliebin30

Hopefully this right to house thing comes in and I can stop paying my mortgage.

Seems im also paying for other people's mortgages im sick of paying twice.

suicide_circus

splinter65 wrote: »

The welfare state insists that there’s equality of consequences.
Everyone agrees that there has to be equality of opportunity.
But there shouldn’t be equality of consequences.
If 2 girls leave school at 18 having done the LC and one decides to knuckle down and work hard at 3rd level, maybe get a weekend job in a bar, get her degree, get an entry level job in the profession of her choice and work her way up maybe having a good job, nice house, nice car, fiancmaybe at about 32/33 then the other one, who partied too much at college dropped out went on the dole had a couple of kids from short term relationships and ended up back living at home DOESNT deserve to have priveleges as the first girl.
Sorry, she just doesn’t.
Currently there’s an expectation that you can **** up as much as you like for as long as you like and your still entitled to come out of it smelling like roses.
Sorry, that’s just wrong.

Yep nail on head. It also locks people into dependency.
Take a single unemployed parent with two kids who is housed by the state and is receipt of a plethora of state benefits. If this parents decides to better themselves through education and gets a job, they will see their benefits melt away. If they want the other parent of their kids to move in with them so they're kids can live with both parents, they will see benefits melt away.

Ash.J.Williams

Pic in the paper of a youngone and 4 kids living "in one room in her mothers house" surely she doesn't stay in room 24/7 and can watch tv downstairs or use the kitchen anyway she was staring at the camera like "give me a f**ing house"

Ash.J.Williams

Doltanian wrote: »

Married couples should be prioritised and a fair equitable system of Divorce introduced to prevent women taking men with wealth to the cleaners. If it was up to me I would get rid of Divorce entirely in favour a system of annulments with the Church overseeing it.

What?

Arcade_Tryer

seamus wrote: »

Because the state has created this situation.

Some people might be brought up with the ethos to get working early, get into extra education, do crappy hours for crappy pay, burst your bollox doing unpaid overtime, live in hovels and bedsits, socialise constantly, and you might get to be a partner in an accounting firm like Daddy is by the time you're forty.

Other people are raised being told to apply for social welfare early, get on the housing list, live in substandard accommodation, have a couple of kids, and you might get a house by the time you're 30. They don't know any different. It's generational knowledge - their grandparents were given a house by the state and never taught the value of earning for oneself, so they've never been taught the same.

Neither are "right" per se, but one of them costs the state money, and unnecessarily puts the individual at danger of not only poverty, but also disease, mental illness and early death.

A credible argument could be made that clever accountants cost the state an awful lot of money as well. All this anger directed downward at those on social welfare in a week where the entire global community was essentially slapped on the face and told to wake up to the true entitlement culture destroying society seems wholly misdirected.

Good news showing that the family hubs are working. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/family-hub-was-the-best-thing-i-could-finally-cook-a-meal-for-my-daughter-36309515.html

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

Good news showing that the family hubs are working. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/family-hub-was-the-best-thing-i-could-finally-cook-a-meal-for-my-daughter-36309515.html

I am delighted for them. Yet another single mum though.... they are everywhere now popping out kids like smarties. Should be able to support themselves if they want to have children, or prevent it if you don't. We have come a long way from the Condom Trains way back when.

But anyway, despite my negative thoughts, this lady was living at home with her child. Many under 30s are also living at home because they cannot afford the rents today.

Hubs for everyone I say! Oh and where is Daddy?

Galwayguy35

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Hopefully this right to house thing comes in and I can stop paying my mortgage.

Seems im also paying for other people's mortgages im sick of paying twice.

It will never end.

People who work hard to try and give themselves a decent life will be always expected to carry the useless spongers who have no interest in ever getting a job.

These wasters have nothing else to do only breed the next generation and on and on it goes.

And of course they vote in hard left baboons like Daly and Boyd Barrett who tell them how hard done they are and they shouldn't have to pay for anything.

A Law

My favourite part is where she is looking forward to getting her "forever home"...... from south Dublin county council!!

Spanish Eyes

joefuss1986 wrote: »

My favourite part is where she is looking forward to getting her "forever home"...... from south Dublin county council!!

And get it she will. While others stay home living with parents because they have decided not to have children when they cannot support them fully, and also cannot afford rents in cities either.

It is great that people are sorted don't get me wrong. But on the other hand there is a cohort of people out there who have NO children, great degrees, pushed themselves and are stuck. Where is the assistance for them now?

Two tier society. Gimme gimme gimme, and those that pay for all this but get nothing back either. Very sad for those who are trying to succeed.

corner of hells

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

joefuss1986 wrote: »

My favourite part is where she is looking forward to getting her "forever home"...... from south Dublin county council!!

And get it she will. While others stay home living with parents because they have decided not to have children when they cannot support them fully, and also cannot afford rents in cities either.

It is great that people are sorted don't get me wrong. But on the other hand there is a cohort of people out there who have NO children, great degrees, pushed themselves and are stuck. Where is the assistance for them now?

Two tier society. Gimme gimme gimme, and those that pay for all this but get nothing back either. Very sad for those who are trying to succeed.

Part of criteria for living in a family hub is that the person "must" agree to look for rented property.
She's under an illusion if she thinks SDCC are just going to rock up and offer her a property soon.
As far as they are concerned she's housed.

LollipopJimmy

A new housing estate has been built bear where I live. Fairly nice houses for where they are and very much not aimed at the 'affordable' end of the market, the ad on Facebook is full of people screaming blue murder because they are outside the price range of those reading RA etc...
Not every new build in Dublin needs to be affordable/social housing. I really am getting a pain in my hole with the sense of entitlement from people that refuse to work

ziggyman17

joefuss1986 wrote: »

My favourite part is where she is looking forward to getting her "forever home"...... from south Dublin county council!!

she should have kept her knees stuck together........ I know that sounds crude and awful, but I have a pain in arse, hearing about these single mothers with gang loads of kids and fathers tucked away so they can get all the benefits.. I bet when she does get her "forever home", loverboy will be secretly moved in within the week......they make me sick..

Doltanian

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

A new housing estate has been built bear where I live. Fairly nice houses for where they are and very much not aimed at the 'affordable' end of the market, the ad on Facebook is full of people screaming blue murder because they are outside the price range of those reading RA etc...
Not every new build in Dublin needs to be affordable/social housing. I really am getting a pain in my hole with the sense of entitlement from people that refuse to work

Do post a link to that Facebook ad please.

Wanderer78

Good to hear our homeless situation isn't as bad as other countries!

Donal55

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It will never end.

People who work hard to try and give themselves a decent life will be always expected to carry the useless spongers who have no interest in ever getting a job.

These wasters have nothing else to do only breed the next generation and on and on it goes.

And of course they vote in hard left baboons like Daly and Boyd Barrett who tell them how hard done they are and they shouldn't have to pay for anything.

The hard left have never been in govt. The problems we have stem from FF/FG/LP and PDs.

Not saying it would be much better under Daly or Barrett either but in fairness they're given far to much credit for power they haven't got.

end of the road

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Hopefully this right to house thing comes in and I can stop paying my mortgage.

yeah, you are really going to stop paying your mortage for a property you will own once you pay back the money in full, to live in one you never will own.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Seems im also paying for other people's mortgages im sick of paying twice.

you are not paying for other people's mortgages. you are not paying twice. stop playing the victim, you are not a victim. you will own a property.

Seth Brundle

Donal55 wrote: »

The hard left have never been in govt. The problems we have stem from FF/FG/LP and PDs.

Not saying it would be much better under Daly or Barrett either but in fairness they're given far to credit for power they haven't got.

The left have been in local government, the county council's that house the mothers in question

Donal55

kbannon wrote: »

The left have been in local government, the county council's that house the mothers in question

Come off it. From the 60s onwards local govt have been controlled by the two mainstream parties and govt policy has fed down to councils from the top.

The left havent been in control of any centres outside of Dublin,Cork, Waterford and maybe one or two others.

kbannon

kbannon wrote: »

The left have been in local government, the county council's that house the mothers in question

The lefties in local government are more concerned with flying the Catalonian flag over Government buildings than housing the homeless.

ScouseMouse

I have just spent weeks cleaning up a 3 bedroom house that a nigerian family had via rent allowance/HAP . Turns out family left a while back leaving a single daughter in the house, while she was working in a bank.

It took nearly 10 grand to bring it back to normal acceptable condition. While painting it a few weeks back, I listened to the radio about a poor girl from Tallaght who had to leave her rental house as the landlord wanted it back for his family. That's fair enough. But she and her kids were in a hotel and she killed herself. My heart sank. I sickened me.

Anyway, this house is now cleaned up and the council have nominated a chechnian (spelling?) family for it. They were in a house and had to leave after years, as the landlord wanted it back. So they got another house, but say they don't like it. So the council is now MOVING them to this house.

Since when do immigrant people, who don't like the house they get, get the opportunity to move, while other families are stuck in B&B's with NO house???

Note : Nothing racist about this, its a fact and I can produce this info to admin.

TheChizler

ScouseMouse wrote: »

Since when do immigrant people, who don't like the house they get, get the opportunity to move, while other families are stuck in B&B's with NO house???

Note : Nothing racist about this, its a fact and I can produce this info to admin.

Saying it doesn't make it so...

boardsuser1

ziggyman17 wrote: »

she should have kept her knees stuck together........ I know that sounds crude and awful, but I have a pain in arse, hearing about these single mothers with gang loads of kids and fathers tucked away so they can get all the benefits.. I bet when she does get her "forever home", loverboy will be secretly moved in within the week......they make me sick..

The ex who never worked a day in her life is exactly like this.

Bar the lover boy bit.

ScouseMouse

TheChizler wrote: »

Saying it doesn't make it so...

When a young local girl with kids, is in a B&B and kills herself, while you see the scam of a single girl, working in a bank, living in a 3 bedroom semi, then the house get allocated to another family who have a house and dont like it?

Putting locals first is nothing to be ashamed about.

Spanish Eyes

We are not allowed to say this anywhere else but places like this.

And even then there can be censorship about this issue depending on the mod on duty.

Keep with the program is the mantra. Homeless good, tough if you have to live with your parents and save and eventually fend for yourself.