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Today's daily terror attack location is Belgium.

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    #92
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    jackofalltrades wrote: »

    Care to list off a few attacks by westerners in the Middle east?


    Heres one

    Another

    Some more.


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    #93
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Didn't Trumps first military act result in the death of a number of civilians including a child?


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    #94
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Heres one

    Another

    Some more.
    Your just listing military attacks by the US though, they're not exactly attacks by "westerners".


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    #95
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Your just listing military attacks by the US though, they're not exactly attacks by "westerners".

    Attacks by western terrorists no?

    People who have been told to go over there and kill them people because they present a threat to your way of life.

    No different than the isis people who are convinced to go out there and kill them people who present a threat to your way of life.

    The only difference is the "west" use much more efficient weapons.


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    #96
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    RustyNut wrote: »
    The only difference is the "west" use much more efficient weapons.
    Yes but it's not the "west", it's mainly the US and sometimes a handful of other countries.
    There are more western countries not engaged in military action in the middle east than those who are.
    Describing these actions of that of "the west" creates a false "us V them" scenario.
    You're ascribing blame to countries that have had no hand in these attacks.
    It's as bad as blaming all muslims for the actions of a few Islamists.


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    #97
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Didn't Trumps first military act result in the death of a number of civilians including a child?

    How dare you bring trump into this. He's the only only making sense.

    #terrosistsarefinepeople


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    #98
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Ok something I don't get about the idea that if the west stops attacks on the middle East the problem will go away is that a lot of the attacks were on leaders that were instrumental in keeping fundamental Islamists in line?
    Secondly I am no fan of the Saudis at all and too much is done to give them legitimatecy but say the current government falls it's not going to be replaced by someone nicer, Al-Qaida's whole motivation was to stop the yanks propping up a regime that is insufficiently pious.


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    #99
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Yes but it's not the "west", it's mainly the US and sometimes a handful of other countries.
    There are more western countries not engaged in military action in the middle east than those who are.
    Describing these actions of that of "the west" creates a false "us V them" scenario.
    You're ascribing blame to countries that have had no hand in these attacks.
    It's as bad as blaming all muslims for the actions of a few Islamists.

    And you think the fucktards inspiring/directing these attacks are less discriminatory?


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    #100
    [Deleted User]
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    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    How dare you bring trump into this. He's the only only making sense.

    #terrosistsarefinepeople

    Only if they're white and neo-nazis.


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    #101
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    gw80 wrote: »
    How about a middle eastern map with all the attacks on middle eastern countries by other middle eastern countries

    How about a map of middle eastern countries who gladly take western money and weapons to attack other middle eastern countries,
    That would be interesting

    How about a map of all the European countries that have attacked other European countries and indeed non-European lands?
    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Care to list off a few attacks by westerners in the Middle east?

    Really? Are you that ignorant? :rolleyes:

    British war on Mesopotamia 1920s.

    French war on Syria 1920s.

    Zionist ethnic cleansing in Palestine ongoing since 1948.

    British, French, Zionist attack in Egypt 1950s. Western propaganda calls these war crimes the "Suez Crisis". Goebbels eat your heart out.

    British war on Yemen 1960s.

    American attacks in Lebanon 1980s.

    American and British attacks on Iraq 1990-91, 1998, 2003 to today.

    American war on Afghanistan 2001 to today.

    Western attacks on Libya 2011.


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    #102
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Heres one

    Another

    Some more.

    "It's only terrorism when 'they' do it."


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    #103
    satguy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭satguy


    We can have lots more candlelight vigils. That seems to be how we deal with this mess.


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    #104
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Do cars hate us for not being Muslim? No
    Do they want to destroy our way of life? No
    Do they want use to live in submission? No

    Have car manufacturers made great strides in terms of car safety? Yes
    Are there car manufacturers who are setting dates from which their cars won't be involved in a collision that leads to a fatality? Yes

    Your comparison is a bunch of whataboutery, deflection driven nonsense.

    My point is that the hysterics have driven people to be afraid about something statistically insignificant.

    232 people die each day on European roads, but you don't hear about people being afraid to get in a car.

    Some lone idiot with a knife in some city most people have likely never visited injures a soldier and people are in hysterics and trying to cover themselves in bubble wrap and lock all the doors.

    If would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. Go out and enjoy your life and quit worrying about something that is statistically insignificant and extremely unlikely to ever effect you.


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    #105
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    How about a map of all the European countries that have attacked other European countries and indeed non-European lands?



    Really? Are you that ignorant? :rolleyes:

    British war on Mesopotamia 1920s.

    French war on Syria 1920s.

    Zionist ethnic cleansing in Palestine ongoing since 1948.

    British, French, Zionist attack in Egypt 1950s. Western propaganda calls these war crimes the "Suez Crisis". Goebbels eat your heart out.

    British war on Yemen 1960s.

    American attacks in Lebanon 1980s.

    American and British attacks on Iraq 1990-91, 1998, 2003 to today.

    American war on Afghanistan 2001 to today.

    Western attacks on Libya 2011.
    So you think the Military action of American and Britain are somehow the opposite side of the coin to Islamist attacks?
    Was the truck attack in Nice a North African attack?


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    #106
    Il Fascista
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    My point is that the hysterics have driven people to be afraid about something statistically insignificant.

    232 people die each day on European roads, but you don't hear about people being afraid to get in a car.

    Some lone idiot with a knife in some city most people have likely never visited injures a soldier and people are in hysterics and trying to cover themselves in bubble wrap and lock all the doors.

    If would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. Go out and enjoy your life and quit worrying about something that is statistically insignificant and extremely unlikely to ever effect you.

    If only people like you could think beyond your own time on earth, then maybe you'd see why others are worried. No one complaining here thinks they'll be a victim of one of these attacks!


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    #107
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Il Fascista wrote: »
    If only people like you could think beyond your own time on earth, then maybe you'd see why others are worried. No one complaining here thinks they'll be a victim of one of these attacks!

    I'm of the opinion that the "close all borders and deport them all" brigade are the ones only thinking about their own time on earth.


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    #108
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    My point is that the hysterics have driven people to be afraid about something statistically insignificant.

    232 people die each day on European roads, but you don't hear about people being afraid to get in a car.

    Some lone idiot with a knife in some city most people have likely never visited injures a soldier and people are in hysterics and trying to cover themselves in bubble wrap and lock all the doors.

    If would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. Go out and enjoy your life and quit worrying about something that is statistically insignificant and extremely unlikely to ever effect you.
    Alright lets hear about your statistics then.
    What are the odds of someone being caught up in a terrorist attack?
    Whether that's being killed, injured, taken hostage, having a gun pointed at you(regardless of who does it), being told to get on the floor by police, having to run for your life or fend off some kind of attack.
    Then there's people who witness these attacks whether they see or hear them.
    And also people who tend to the injured or dying, people who work in hospitals, the police, fire brigade and people who clean blood off the streets.
    Then you have to take into account all the family members, colleagues and friends off the above, who are either directly affected or hear stories of the above happening.
    Terrorism has a significantly more profound effect than just the actual victims involved.

    You comparison to road deaths is flawed.
    Very few people are killed through malice on our roads.
    If people were being deliberately targeted on a regular basis then I guess people would start to get afraid of going out driving/walking/cycling.


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    #109
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Alright lets hear about your statistics then.
    What are the odds of someone being caught up in a terrorist attack?
    Whether that's being killed, injured, taken hostage, having a gun pointed at you(regardless of who does it), being told to get on the floor by police, having to run for your life or fend off some kind of attack.
    Then there's people who witness these attacks whether they see or hear them.
    And also people who tend to the injured or dying, people who work in hospitals, the police, fire brigade and people who clean blood off the streets.
    Then you have to take into account all the family members, colleagues and friends off the above, who are either directly affected or hear stories of the above happening.
    Terrorism has a significantly more profound effect than just the actual victims involved.

    The majority of that applies to all incidents, including traffic collisions.

    Unless you are going to claim more than 2.5 million EU citizens are effected by terrorism, then the statistic rounds to 0% of the population being effected by it.

    150,000 people are either killed or permanently disabled in traffic incidents in the EU each year. That may sound like a very high figure, but it's a tiny 0.02% of the total population and also statistically insignificant.

    24/7 news, everyone having internet access and social media have caused this hysteria. The most extreme opinions stand out. Blows my mind that people feed off it. Genuinely get excited by such insignificance to the extent mass deportations and a Big Brother like State are required.

    Mind numbing stupidity.


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    #110
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    What do you want? After hours becoming "hourly terror alert news"

    This is your mess, Joey. You were one of the biggest cheerleaders for open border mass immigration, despite some very experienced international experts spelling out to you what the security consequences would be.

    You broke it, so suck it up and deal with it now.


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    #111
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    The majority of that applies to all incidents, including traffic collisions.
    Some of it applies to all incidents, some of the scarier bits don't.
    Unless you are going to claim more than 2.5 million EU citizens are effected by terrorism, then the statistic rounds to 0% of the population being effected by it.

    150,000 people are either killed or permanently disabled in traffic incidents in the EU each year. That may sound like a very high figure, but it's a tiny 0.02% of the total population and also statistically insignificant.
    How many of those people in traffic accidents were deliberately targeted?
    Are people driving/cycling or walking around worried about being targeted because they aren't a muslim.
    You seem to be continually ignoring that part of my argument.
    24/7 news, everyone having internet access and social media have caused this hysteria. The most extreme opinions stand out. Blows my mind that people feed off it. Genuinely get excited by such insignificance to the extent mass deportations and a Big Brother like State are required.

    Mind numbing stupidity.
    People have been worried about terrorist attacks long before the advent of 24/7 news, the internet and social media.


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    #112
    Widdershins
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    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Some of it applies to all incidents, some of the scarier bits don't.

    How many of those people in traffic accidents were deliberately targeted?
    Are people driving/cycling or walking around worried about being targeted because they aren't a muslim.
    You seem to be continually ignoring that part of my argument.
    People have been worried about terrorist attacks long before the advent of 24/7 news, the internet and social media.

    And traffic incidents aren't 'part of' anything. They're not part of a wider plot, they're not deliberate, and they're something people can control to some extent, be it by not drink driving, by wearing seatbelts etc. etc. So people can do everything in their power to prevent them, and there's not much to discuss really. That's why there are threads on Islamism instead of threads on the other example.

    The traffic comparison is deeply flawed but it's all people like that poster actually have with which to deflect attention away from Islamism and jihad and terrorism.

    The over-eager effort to deflect, deflect, deflect is strange. It makes sense that people will discuss this, as it's unlike any kind of war the West has experienced to date. It's a more-or-less global, guerilla war.

    A good response I once heard was ''Coronary disease was a bigger killer of Brits during the Blitz than the Luftwaffe, so does that mean they were foolish to worry about the Blitz?''

    There are only a few explanations I can think of, one is that some people are well-meaning, misguided and want to protect Muslims from what they perceive as racism, and they're just not bright enough to discern between racism and any discussion involving people who happen to mostly be brown....then some people may perhaps have a certain amount of sympathy for the Islamsts goals..and then there are others who just aren't aware of much of what has happened, is happening around the worlds so because of their very limited knowledge they find it all ''hysterical'' and overblown. Or, the deflectors are scared, themselves, and they hate that people are talking about this, because it terrifies them.


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    #113
    Ulysses Gaze
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    The majority of that applies to all incidents, including traffic collisions.

    Unless you are going to claim more than 2.5 million EU citizens are effected by terrorism, then the statistic rounds to 0% of the population being effected by it.

    150,000 people are either killed or permanently disabled in traffic incidents in the EU each year. That may sound like a very high figure, but it's a tiny 0.02% of the total population and also statistically insignificant.

    24/7 news, everyone having internet access and social media have caused this hysteria. The most extreme opinions stand out. Blows my mind that people feed off it. Genuinely get excited by such insignificance to the extent mass deportations and a Big Brother like State are required.

    Mind numbing stupidity.


    Why do you people keep on with this false equivalence?

    People died on the roads. More people die from peanut allergies.

    The key factor you all miss is - Intent.

    Did the peanut intend to kill the person? Did the car or driver intend to kill the person?

    FFS.....

    And if you really think that this is all statistically insignificant, why not just travel over to Manchester, Barcelona, Paris, Nice, Berlin et al and tell the families of those murdered..

    "Hey, sorry about you loss but...if it makes you feel any better it is statistically insignificant."

    Mind numbingly stupid alright...


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    #114
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Why do you people keep on with this false equivalence?

    People died on the roads. More people die from peanut allergies.

    The key factor you all miss is - Intent.

    Did the peanut intend to kill the person? Did the car or driver intend to kill the person?

    FFS.....

    And if you really think that this is all statistically insignificant, why not just travel over to Manchester, Barcelona, Paris, Nice, Berlin et al and tell the families of those murdered..

    "Hey, sorry about you loss but...if it makes you feel any better it is statistically insignificant."

    Mind numbingly stupid alright...

    Why does intent matter? Either way you are lying dead on the ground. Genuinely don't get the "but...but...but intent!1!!!11!!!!" argument.

    But sure....lets just go ahead and continue the hysterics brought about by dim witted individuals on social media and let's tear Europe apart ourselves out of fear someone else does it instead.


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    #115
    Zebra3
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    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    So you think the Military action of American and Britain are somehow the opposite side of the coin to Islamist attacks?
    Was the truck attack in Nice a North African attack?

    Of course they are not the opposite side of the coin.

    British and American crimes in the Middle East have slaughtered vastly greater numbers of people than these Islamist attacks in Europe.

    But let's not allow the truth get in the way of hysteria and propaganda.

    That wouldn't be good for the whores of war.


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    #116
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    How would you go about identifying who is Muslim?

    It shouldn't be that hard. Once we identify them perhaps we can make them wear a symbol visibly on their clothes... Something celestial... Like a star or maybe the crescent moon. Yeah the moon would work.


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    #117
    PuppyMcPupFace
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 255 ✭✭PuppyMcPupFace


    Why are people playing down these attacks?

    They're real, they're happening now and we'll be a statistic soon. No question.

    Do you feel you're better than others if you go round putting those "refugees welcome here " stickers up and we say "it after they've been vetted".


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    #118
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    MysticMonk wrote: »
    People like you are part of the problem.

    People who use logic? I don't believe so. However, sensationalist could very well be categorized as problematic. "Everyday"... Sensationalist tabloid clickbait. Shíts not good in Europe, but reel in the
    Negative_G wrote: »
    Another day, another attack on western society by the religion of peace.

    I see the resident AH Islamic apologist hasn't yet began their defense of all things Islam, which is surprising.

    Can't be long though.

    Having an opinion which differs from your own, or from the "deport all muslims" stance, doesn't make one an "Islamic apologist", or anything of the sort.

    As for "defense of all things Islam", I don't believe I have witnessed it on boards.ie to be honest. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it doesn't actually happen and your fond of building things of straw.


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    #119
    BoJack Horseman
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    British and American crimes in the Middle East have slaughtered vastly greater numbers of people than these Islamist attacks in Europe.

    Indeed.
    It is our fault really.
    Jihad is right & the thousands of girls of Rotherham, Oxford, Rochdale, Newcastle & so on were just retaliation.
    Tis their fault.....they were just asking for it
    Inshallah!


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    #120
    [Deleted User]
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    The stark reality is that "the West" has made enemies of these people, and then stupidly invited large segments of their populations to live here.
    If they had not been invited (or allowed to stay) then we wouldn't have threads like this. If the Jihadidsts were not here in the first place, they wouldn't be able to carry out any of these "low skill" attacks.


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    #121
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Indeed.
    It is our fault really.
    Jihad is right & the thousands of girls of Rotherham, Oxford, Rochdale, Newcastle & so on were just retaliation.
    Tis their fault.....they were just asking for it
    Inshallah!

    It's not "our fault".

    I don't support or glorify those westerners who take part or instigate war on innocent people in the Middle East.


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