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TitianGerm wrote: »When you keep dying I'd say it could be
Absolutely but no need to be 'git gud' smarmy about it.
This is my opinion. It's ****e after a while and the souls formula is in burn out for me.
Consoles issues prevent the enjoyment. The input lag is atrocious. I progressed fairly far into it but get bored about 20 hours in.
Might be unpopular thought for some but Sekiro is overrated. I've played much better games this year.0 -
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Fred The Red wrote: »And their games are held on some weird higher pedestal than everyone else and seem to be immune to criticism at times.
Fair enough Fred, sorry i was just genuinely interested on what you found repetitive, i played this particular from software on PC so cant relate to the input lag, i have played all others on PS4 but didnt have input lag issues, just the dips in frame rate.
And on the point above, most of the "immune to criticism" points i see are they were too hard and gave up before learning how to play. Which from what i witnessed, happened a lot more with Sekiro since probably Demon souls i predict.
Which is because they "flipped" the combat formula in this game from "sometimes block and mostly attack" to "mostly block to sometimes attack" to simplify it, which i dont think a lot of soulsborne players grasped before they gave up, was nearly one of them meself
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Just to elaborate here I actually prefer the combat system here but timing is critical.Fair enough Fred, sorry i was just genuinely interested on what you found repetitive, i played this particular from software on PC so cant relate to the input lag, i have played all others on PS4 but didnt have input lag issues, just the dips in frame rate.
And on the point above, most of the "immune to criticism" points i see are they were too hard and gave up before learning how to play. Which from what i witnessed, happened a lot more with Sekiro since probably Demon souls i predict.
Which is because they "flipped" the combat formula in this game from "sometimes block and mostly attack" to "mostly block to sometimes attack" to simplify it, which i dont think a lot of soulsborne players grasped before they gave up, was nearly one of them meself
It's the performance that doesn't stack up to what it's trying to achieve on console.
I was left stupidly frustrated not because I was making mistakes but because the technical issues in high intensity fights were causing the problems.
It was more problematic in certain areas of the game as obviously it runs better or worse in certain sections. Again all performance related.
I'd probably feel much different if I played at a locked 60fps on PC0 -
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A lot of people give out to developers for coding to set framerates but it's a lot easier to do that when you are targeting one platform and also easier on performance. I know myself in my stint in games I would code a lot with frame checks, other than collision code which I would code with polygons or vectors to get sub pixel accuracy and no frame check issues. Which was a nightmare to code but just do not like the usual collision engines like box 2D which have frame check issues.
It's just a whole lot easier to do and on resources so no surprise mid tier Japanese developers do it.
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Robert ninja wrote: »It's a bad habit that you often see Japanese developers do from any tier. It's not really undeserving of criticism when we've got extremely old games that run just fine a triple digit framerates. It's a regression of performance capacity and scaling and that is not something that should be defended.
Japanese developers have been targeting single platforms or a single framerate for years so got into the habit while western developers have mostly been developing for PC and therefore taking into account variable framerates.
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I'm aware of that but doesn't make it not a bad habbit. I think fighting games where the moves are designed around frames is the only time when locked FPS to game logic is acceptable (and even then I'm hoping for a doubler option for multiples of 60 or whatever FPS they set the baseline). That and artistic purposes too of course like in South Park.Retr0gamer wrote: »Japanese developers have been targeting single platforms or a single framerate for years so got into the habit while western developers have mostly been developing for PC and therefore taking into account variable framerates.
Engine choices matter too though. Dead Rising is Japanese made for one platform but eventually scaled to others and unlimited fps on PC. Based MT Framework
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The engine mostly decides that though. MT Framework was a fantastic engine built for multiple platforms so would have been coded around variable frame rate. The collision engine would be a big part of it.
Dark souls phyre engine is mostly a renderer so you'd have to add your own collision code. You don't just get your collision code for free either. It's the toughest part of coding a game engine and takes up the majority of the time since it's the basis of the game actually working. If you are a small time developer then it makes sense to go for a cheap third party solution or iterate of existing game code which has probably been iterated on since the PS2 era.
It might not be acceptable but in the real world there's budgets and man power to consider.
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So for anyone lamenting Contra: Rogue Corps, and Konami f'ing it up, you might appreciate this new trailer for indie game "Blazing Chrome". The inspiration is ... subtle
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Blazing chrome looks the part, I just hope they get the design down. Cuphead nailed the contra feel so hope this does as well.
As for Rogue Corps, I still think it could end up good as it's being directed by Nobuya Nakazato who is responsible for contra 3, Hard Corp, shattered soldier, neo contra and Contra ReBirth. He has some old school chops as well as being creative director of the second best Megadrive game ever, Rocket Knight Adventures. He might pull it off despite the low budget.
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Their last game, Odallus, as an awesome homage to 8-bit Metroidvania. I'm really hoping they keep the bar as high for this 16-bit Run n' Gun'er.So for anyone lamenting Contra: Rogue Corps, and Konami f'ing it up, you might appreciate this new trailer for indie game "Blazing Chrome". The inspiration is ... subtle0 -
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Their last game, Odallus, as an awesome homage to 8-bit Metroidvania. I'm really hoping they keep the bar as high for this 16-bit Run n' Gun'er.
Nooo, you said the magic word I'm on a bit of a Metroidvania binge at the moment (Bloodstained probably not helping there), so another one goes into the backlog :-) Though the '8 bit' gives pause.
I have a threshold for retro graphics, and 8-bit is that limit; there's a lot of beauty in the limitations of pixel art, but the NES era is the wrong side of ugly for my tastes. The colour palette is too harsh on the eyes & the audio often grates. Still!0 -
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Think there's some gorgeous looking NES games. Capcom, Konami and sunsoft made gorgeous looking games and their composers made the soundchip sing. Think you are just playing the wrong NES games!
Odallus is one of those faux 8-bit games like Shovel Knight where it looks how you remember 8-bit games look rather than being totally faithful to the limitations. There's no way a NES could run a game as nice looking as Odallus.
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