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Earning my go-faster stripes...

  • 18-08-2017 1:05pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭


    After much lurking, I'm dipping my toe in this running log business. I've learned so much from reading many of the logs here already, and it's time to start properly tracking what I'm doing and where it gets me (or doesn't).

    Quick background: I'm female, early-ish 30s, with no real history of sport/exercise at all bar going to the gym a bit and walking practically everywhere I go. I've dabbled in running a few times previously (the typical couch to 5k stint on a couple of occasions) but it never stuck until about 9/10 months ago when I got the bug badly, and so far it has stuck. I've been running 5 days a week, lately around the 30 mile a week mark, give or take a few.

    I'm slow, but I enjoy training and when I pick a plan I stick to it, to the point where in the last 6 months I haven't missed a single planned run. Recently I started experiencing bouts of extremely low energy and some dizziness, and my paces got even slower. Took myself off to the GP and was told I have practically no iron at all, so I'm now dosing myself with the stuff and hoping my paces start to improve a bit.

    My first real running goal was to complete a half marathon, which I finally did last weekend (the Rock 'n' Roll Half) in the pleasantly-surprising-to-me time of 1:57:5x. Now that that's done I'm keen to think about what's next.

    Current PBs

    5K | 24:36 | August 2017 (Parkrun) or
    | 25:44 | April 2017 (race)
    5 mile | 43:16 | May 2017
    10K | 53:00 | June 2017
    HM | 1:57:5x | August 2017


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Let's kick this off with a recap

    13/08/2017
    My first half marathon. I followed a Boards graduate plan for this (despite not being a marathon graduate) Training had gone well but I had no idea what kind of time to aim for, never having run a long race before. I had dreams of going sub 2:00 but didn't think that was remotely realistic with how bad I had been feeling lately, and on a hilly course too. So I thought 2:10 was more realistic, and that would have been fine with me. But I told myself that if I felt good on the morning I'd start off just behind 2 hour pace and see how it felt. And it turned out that it felt pretty good. And somehow, it continued to feel pretty good for the rest of the race.

    I posted here a while back asking for advice on pace, and got great advice, especially from Testosterscone (author of the very plan I was following) who suggested starting out at 9:10 pace for a few miles and picking it up if I could after that. So that's what I did.

    First half (ish)
    Miles 1-7 - 9:11, 9:07, 8:56, 9:40, 8:57, 8:48, 8:55


    Bit messy at the start - I couldn't find the 2 hour pacers so entered a corral beside the 55 min 10k pacers. Eventually saw the 2 hr sign a corral or two back but it was too late to move. Figured I'd slow down and catch them on the way. Stupid. Luckily I realised in time that that would put me well over 2 hours as I would have started before them, so I just set off on my own and winged it.
    I kept an occasional eye on my watch to make sure I wasn't starting off too fast, but for the most part I just went by feel. And it felt good. I couldn't believe how comfortable I felt out there. Running through the city was lovely. High-fived a few kids - great boost that.

    My lovely boyfriend had gotten up early to drop me to the start, and then went back to cheer me on at various points. Saw him for the first time at Heuston, and ran over to high-five him too (it was the order of the day). On from there up the hill to the Royal Hospital. I though this would be a killer, but it was fine. Onwards! Chatted to a few people along the way which really made the day for me. I love the camaraderie of runners.

    Got through Chapelizod and heard the announcement for the 10k runners to separate off, where it almost went horribly wrong for me as I have trouble telling my left from right at the best of times, so when I heard the announcer clearly say "10k runners stay left and half marathoners to the right" I started to obediently trot over to the park side of the road before realising in time that no, right was the other way.

    Second half
    Miles 8 - 13.1 - 9:20, 9:26, 8:24, 8:37, 8:57, 8:32 (+ 1:04 for the last 0.1 miles)

    This was where it was supposed to get interesting (i.e. hills for days). I slowed a bit coming into the park and up Chesterfield Ave, but got back on track fairly quickly. I had run this part of the route several times in training and I knew those hills in the park could hurt, but somehow they didn't bother me at all in the race. I saw lots of people walking up them but I didn't feel any urge to walk. I didn't even seem to slow down much. Passed my one-man support team here again and shouted at him to get off his bum. He shouted back that I should stop chatting and put the effort into running. Fair point. But I was enjoying myself... :) At this point I knew the end wasn't too far away and I didn't really want it to be over.

    Mile 12 was really the only point in the whole race where it felt like an effort, though still manageable. I had none of the evil thoughts about stopping, or slowing, that I usually get at some point during a race. Swallowed a fly around this point - sneaky little creature attempted to throw off my whole race. Started coughing like a maniac which caused a few alarmed glances from the two lads either side of me.

    I knew I had more in me towards the end, but was afraid of calling on it too early. I was a bit too cautious maybe. Waited until I turned the last corner back onto Chesterfield when the finish line was just up ahead to go for it, passing a few people on my way. Crossed the line and couldn't believe it when I looked at my watch. I knew by that stage that I had managed sub 2 hours, but I was astounded to see 1:57:59 once I'd stopped my watch.

    Official chip time: 1:57:5x. Happy out.

    Final thoughts:
    I had been really unsure about how this would go, so I was cautious and kept waiting for some awful suffering that never came. In the end I felt so comfortable throughout that I finished wondering if I could have (should have?) pushed harder and tried to go a bit faster. Then again, maybe if I had it would all have fallen apart. Who knows. I thought all along that I would have to choose between enjoying my first half marathon (by taking it easy) and running a time I wanted (by pushing myself). In the end I managed to both enjoy it and finish faster than I ever hoped. So really I couldn't have asked for better. I'll take that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Welcome to the logs :) Your times are very similar to my PB's, will be following with interest :) Well done in the R&R and best of luck with your next goal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    Best of luck! I have very similar times to you, and I plan to do the same next year once I finish with this final marathon training cycle! I'll follow with interest!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Welcome to the logs :) Your times are very similar to my PB's, will be following with interest :) Well done in the R&R and best of luck with your next goal.

    Thank you! Your log is one of the ones I've been following for a good while now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    chrislad wrote: »
    Best of luck! I have very similar times to you, and I plan to do the same next year once I finish with this final marathon training cycle! I'll follow with interest!

    I'm dying to try a marathon some day (some day = hopefully Dublin 2018). Even more so now that I've done the half. Good luck with the rest of your marathon training!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    eyrie wrote: »
    Thank you! Your log is one of the ones I've been following for a good while now!

    :o:o You won't learn anything over there though, unless you can learn from my mistakes :D.
    eyrie wrote: »
    I'm dying to try a marathon some day (some day = hopefully Dublin 2018).

    See you there so ;). It's great that your marathon goal is over a year away, it's more than achievable and with tons of time to build up to it you'll have a fantastic debut. I presume you're following the novices thread too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Huzzah!


    eyrie wrote: »
    5K | 24:36 | August 2017 (Parkrun) or
    | 25:44 | April 2017 (race)
    5 mile | 43:16 | May 2017
    10K | 53:00 | June 2017
    HM | 1:57:5x | August 2017

    Well, you're definitely not slow! I shall be following your log with interest as your times are ones that I would aspire to (loonnnngg term). I also have half an eye on DCM 2018 ;)

    Have you any goals in the shorter term?

    Best of luck with the log :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Your 5k, 5m and 10k times are very similar to mine also. Your HM time however is 12 mins faster so you've given me something to shoot for lol!! And I had a similar experience with almost non existent iron reseeves recently enough as well. It's no fun :(

    Best of luck with the log & the running! I'll be following with interest :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    :o:o You won't learn anything over there though, unless you can learn from my mistakes :D.
    Ah now! You've done plenty that I can only dream of!
    See you there so ;). It's great that your marathon goal is over a year away, it's more than achievable and with tons of time to build up to it you'll have a fantastic debut. I presume you're following the novices thread too?
    Oh only a bit obsessively ;) It was the novices thread last year that really gave me the bug!
    Huzzah! wrote: »
    Well, you're definitely not slow! I shall be following your log with interest as your times are ones that I would aspire to (loonnnngg term). I also have half an eye on DCM 2018 ;)

    Have you any goals in the shorter term?

    Best of luck with the log :)
    Thank you! Ah I always feel slow, particularly because my easy run pace is crazy slow. Yesss - get on the DCM '18 train!
    ariana` wrote: »
    Your 5k, 5m and 10k times are very similar to mine also. Your HM time however is 12 mins faster so you've given me something to shoot for lol!! And I had a similar experience with almost non existent iron reseeves recently enough as well. It's no fun :(

    Best of luck with the log & the running! I'll be following with interest :)
    Well my HM time was much faster than I was expecting too! So I'm sure you're well able. Mind you I wasn't training for a marathon at the same time, so that makes it easier ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    eyrie wrote: »
    Thank you! Ah I always feel slow, particularly because my easy run pace is crazy slow. Yesss - get on the DCM '18 train!

    Don't worry about that. My easy pace on my first marathon was close to 11:40 for the long, long runs. It's 10:20 this year. I would say it gets easier in time, but it doesn't really, you just get faster :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    chrislad wrote: »
    Don't worry about that. My easy pace on my first marathon was close to 11:40 for the long, long runs. It's 10:20 this year. I would say it gets easier in time, but it doesn't really, you just get faster :D
    Ha, thanks for the encouragement... kind of :) But actually it's really good to hear that - my easy pace is often right around your old easy pace, so it's good to know improvement is possible. Often feels like nothing is changing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Looks like I picked a great time to start a training log - i.e. the time I have done the least actual running I've done in over a year. Hmmm...
    Sure we'll forget about last week (we can do that, right? ;) ) which was lost to post HM recovery, brief sickness, and putting in long overdue time with family and friends instead of going out running.
    So onto this week! Plan was to get back in the swing properly, albeit a bit more gradually if needed. I haven't got any particular plans/goals at the moment, but I'm thinking of targeting a 10k in 6/8 weeks as a start.
    With that in mind, I set my alarm for early this morning and headed out for 45-60 mins easy running. Except that 15 mins in I thought I was going to puke and had to crouch down on the side of the road until my stomach settled enough to gingerly walk back home. Not a good start! Lesson learned: don't take iron tablets on an empty stomach and go straight out for a run, especially when said stomach was already fairly dodgy the night before. Will do better tomorrow. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭ariana`


    eyrie wrote: »
    Looks like I picked a great time to start a training log - i.e. the time I have done the least actual running I've done in over a year. Hmmm...
    Sure we'll forget about last week (we can do that, right? ;) ) which was lost to post HM recovery, brief sickness, and putting in long overdue time with family and friends instead of going out running.
    So onto this week! Plan was to get back in the swing properly, albeit a bit more gradually if needed. I haven't got any particular plans/goals at the moment, but I'm thinking of targeting a 10k in 6/8 weeks as a start.
    With that in mind, I set my alarm for early this morning and headed out for 45-60 mins easy running. Except that 15 mins in I thought I was going to puke and had to crouch down on the side of the road until my stomach settled enough to gingerly walk back home. Not a good start! Lesson learned: don't take iron tablets on an empty stomach and go straight out for a run, especially when said stomach was already fairly dodgy the night before. Will do better tomorrow. :(

    Oh god love ya! I find the iron tablets really really hard on my stomach too. I take Ferrograd C and the only way i can tolerate them is to take them at night, last thing before i go to bed, so far i've been fine to run the next morning. They make me puke when i take them in the morning even without running after :rolleyes:

    On the positive side though well done on getting up early :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Welcome !! Ferrograd C for me as well ! The joys of low iron ! We have similar times as well and I also have my eye on DCM 2018.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Bluesquare wrote: »
    Welcome !! Ferrograd C for me as well ! The joys of low iron ! We have similar times as well and I also have my eye on DCM 2018.

    Oooh running twins! :P Except actually your times are faster than mine ;) Like you I would LOVE to get sub-50 for a 10k, but it seems like a pipe dream! I've only run one 10k race though, so I suppose in time maaaaaybe? Good luck with yours!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Finally got back to a bit (just a little bit) of actual running this week, woo! It started badly with the near-vomiting on Tuesday's run, but began to settle back into normal after that. I read a document that was posted in the main forum here about HADD training (heart rate training with mostly easy running for an extended phase) which was fascinating, and thought about giving it a go. So I played around with it for my three remaining runs this week. I'd love to try it out properly, but I'm not sure now is the time. Hmmm...

    Wednesday 23rd August (morning)
    4.25 miles easy - 12:31 avg pace - 141 (149) HR avg (max)

    Slow. So slow. But I was determined to keep heart rate below 142 and apparently this is what it took.

    Thursday 24th August (morning)
    5 miles easy - 12:02 avg pace - 142 (150) HR avg (max)

    Same deal as yesterday, but the pace ended up a tiny bit quicker. Still glacial. Felt nice though if I'm honest, very relaxing.
    Made it back to the gym for some strength training too. Legs have lost a lot of strength in the 3 weeks since I've last been (stayed away in the lead up to and after the half marathon).

    Friday 25th August (morning)
    4.5 miles - 10:18 avg pace - 158 (167) HR avg (max)

    Let myself go wild with this one! Goal (per the HADD document) was heart rate between 155-160. Fun to get to speed up a bit! Thought it would be quicker though. But it felt very comfortable.

    Off on holidays tomorrow so that might be it for this week, although I'll get out on Sunday if I can. Packing the runners anyway! I'll get a few runs in for next week but I'm holding off on starting a new structured plan till I get back. Then it's time to think seriously about what's next...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Ahem... where were we?

    Went away on holidays for a week and running took a backseat to doing other things while there, which seems only right and proper given that I'm not training for anything specific anymore... *sniff*
    I managed two very scenic runs and 3 hikes in the week so it wasn't all sitting around, though there was plenty of that too.

    Quick and dirty round up:

    Sunday 27th: 6 miles easy - 11:02 avg pace
    144 (155) HR avg (max)
    Lovely evening run along canal paths in Wales. Nothing like a bit of run tourism.

    Monday 28th - 2 hour hike

    Tuesday 29th: 6 miles easy - 11:29 avg pace
    145 (156) HR avg (max)
    Same route as Sunday, but slower. I'm always slower first thing in the morning.

    Wednesday 30th August - 12 mile hike (not one but TWO mountains climbed! :) )

    Friday 1st September - another hike, not sure of the details (no Garmin so who knows if it even really happened?)

    Nothing for the weekend :(

    Really would love to do more hill walking regularly, but it's hard to fit around running. Now, home and time to get back into a routine!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    So I think I've decided on a vague plan of action for the next while. Rather than targeting races for a bit I want to build up my base, and most of all I want to get my easy run pace up to something more respectable so that I can get through more miles. Therefore I'm going to attempt a phase of mostly easy running by heart rate, and then a mix of easy and sub-LT running (also by heart rate) following the HADD protocol, with the goal being to gradually increase each of those paces relative to the same HRs, if that makes sense. We shall see...
    If anyone has any experience of this please feel free to share!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭ariana`


    eyrie wrote: »
    So I think I've decided on a vague plan of action for the next while. Rather than targeting races for a bit I want to build up my base, and most of all I want to get my easy run pace up to something more respectable so that I can get through more miles. Therefore I'm going to attempt a phase of mostly easy running by heart rate, and then a mix of easy and sub-LT running (also by heart rate) following the HADD protocol, with the goal being to gradually increase each of those paces relative to the same HRs, if that makes sense. We shall see...
    If anyone has any experience of this please feel free to share!

    No specific experience but I know by running more miles at easy pace I saw my hr drop for the same distance & pace. Best of luck with the plan! You'll be well ahead of the game for DCM 2018 should you choose to go that route ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Huzzah!


    eyrie wrote: »

    Really would love to do more hill walking regularly, but it's hard to fit around running. Now, home and time to get back into a routine!

    I was going to suggest that given that you were without a goal race, you could combine your love of hiking and running and give Run the Line a go: http://runtheline.ie/

    But then I saw this:
    eyrie wrote: »
    If anyone has any experience of this please feel free to share!

    I did about 6 weeks (I think) of the first phase of HADD over winter last year. I love easy running, but it took me a while to get used to running quite as easy as HADD suggests. I was reduced to walking on hills a few times. I think I'd probably manage it better now that I'm fitter. I'll be interested to see how you go. It's definitely something I'd do again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    eyrie wrote: »
    So I think I've decided on a vague plan of action for the next while. Rather than targeting races for a bit I want to build up my base, and most of all I want to get my easy run pace up to something more respectable so that I can get through more miles. Therefore I'm going to attempt a phase of mostly easy running by heart rate, and then a mix of easy and sub-LT running (also by heart rate) following the HADD protocol, with the goal being to gradually increase each of those paces relative to the same HRs, if that makes sense. We shall see...
    If anyone has any experience of this please feel free to share!

    I did this too, probably coming up on 2 years ago now and like Huzzah I found it hard to adjust to running at a much slower pace initially but you definitely see the paces increasing and the HR dropping as the weeks go on. I'd certainly recommend it if you have the time to dedicate to it.

    Did you do your max HR test yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Huzzah! wrote: »
    I was going to suggest that given that you were without a goal race, you could combine your love of hiking and running and give Run the Line a go: http://runtheline.ie/

    Run the Line sounds amazing! But it doesn't really suit me so I think I'll have to give it a miss for now. Would love to do it in the future though. I'll be keen to hear how you get on!
    Huzzah! wrote: »
    I did about 6 weeks (I think) of the first phase of HADD over winter last year. I love easy running, but it took me a while to get used to running quite as easy as HADD suggests. I was reduced to walking on hills a few times. I think I'd probably manage it better now that I'm fitter. I'll be interested to see how you go. It's definitely something I'd do again.
    I did this too, probably coming up on 2 years ago now and like Huzzah I found it hard to adjust to running at a much slower pace initially but you definitely see the paces increasing and the HR dropping as the weeks go on. I'd certainly recommend it if you have the time to dedicate to it.

    Did you do your max HR test yet?

    Very interesting to hear your experiences, thanks both of you! It seems worth trying anyway. At the moment my easy pace is so slow that it's really hindering me from doing proper training I think, so improving that would make everything else more possible (or so goes the theory/hope!). Given that I'm already so slow for easy runs, it actually doesn't mean slowing down much for me, just being more disciplined and consistent with it. I'm willing to give it a go for a while anyway and see what happens, and now seems like a good time.

    AGYR - I haven't done a specific max HR test, but I'm working off a max reading from a 5k which was 192. I suspect my true max could be a tiny bit higher but it's probably close enough to be usable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Well this was a bit of a weird one. And by weird, I mean mostly bad. Plan was (is) lots of easy running, keeping to the heart rate zone of 140-145. Hadd says that at the start you may need to go up to 150 until you adjust, so I'm allowing a bit of wiggle room. Even still, I found my heart rate soaring despite moving just about as slowly as I possibly could. Made for a fairly frustrating experience, to be honest. No room for ego here when you're "running" but barely overtaking the walkers out for a stroll. But this is a long term game and I'll keep at it.

    Goal for all runs: Keep HR between 140-145

    Monday 4th: 5.2 miles / 11:38 avg pace / 147 (162) HR avg (max)
    The smallest incline sent the HR upwards. Otherwise fine.

    Tuesday 5th: 5 miles / 11:28 avg pace / 145 (155) HR avg (max)
    Who cares about running, I finished my book! Been slogging through Moby Dick for a million months now and I finally finished it. I thought running my first half marathon was a good achievement but it's got nothing on this ;)

    Wednesday 6th: 5.05 miles / 11:58 avg pace / 145 (153) HR avg (max)
    Ran on a treadmill for the first time in a very long time. Now I remember why I stopped doing that.

    Thursday 7th: 4.07 miles / 12:24 avg pace / 145 (156) HR avg (max)
    Runmute home with my backpack. Awful! Into the wind the whole way but no matter how slowly I went the heart rate kept rising. This one was painful.

    Friday 8th: 5.1 miles / 12:25 avg pace / 145 (156) HR avg (max)
    Runmute into work this time, backpack again. Marginally less awful than yesterdays.

    We'll see what the weekend brings...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Your very patient - after one days experience my head was melted . Although I'm liking this new average heart rate setting! You can join me on sub 4 quest for DCM next year .........

    Just need to find the right plan!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Eyrie, if it helps at all, those paces look very similar to the ones I was doing when I started HADD too, they will come down and it won't take very long (a few weeks I bet before you start noticing differences). The wind will affect this too, so does running on grass (I find!).

    Just at note on HADD, you can't use avg HR for HADD, it must be Max - 50 (or -40 in the beginning as you said).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Huzzah!


    Eyrie, if it helps at all, those paces look very similar to the ones I was doing when I started HADD too, they will come down and it won't take very long (a few weeks I bet before you start noticing differences). The wind will affect this too, so does running on grass (I find!).

    Just at note on HADD, you can't use avg HR for HADD, it must be Max - 50 (or -40 in the beginning as you said).

    For the laugh, I looked back on my first few "runs" following HADD. I definitely could've walked the distance at much the same pace. If you do a search for HADD in the logs, you'll see people reporting similar experiences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Bluesquare wrote: »
    Your very patient - after one days experience my head was melted . Although I'm liking this new average heart rate setting! You can join me on sub 4 quest for DCM next year .........

    Just need to find the right plan!
    Plenty of time to research the right one! I'm excited already even though it's over a year away!
    Eyrie, if it helps at all, those paces look very similar to the ones I was doing when I started HADD too, they will come down and it won't take very long (a few weeks I bet before you start noticing differences). The wind will affect this too, so does running on grass (I find!).

    Just at note on HADD, you can't use avg HR for HADD, it must be Max - 50 (or -40 in the beginning as you said).
    Thanks, it's reassuring to hear that! I'm hoping it starts to improve soon, because it's painfully slow at the moment! And ummm, I know it's supposed to be max under 145, but I haven't managed that yet no matter how hard I try!
    Huzzah! wrote: »
    For the laugh, I looked back on my first few "runs" following HADD. I definitely could've walked the distance at much the same pace. If you do a search for HADD in the logs, you'll see people reporting similar experiences.
    Glad I'm not the only one! Thanks :) It's really good to be able to read about other people's experiences actually, makes me think there might be light at the end of the (slow) tunnel!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Saturday 9th: 7.8 miles / 11:58 avg pace / 144 (154) HR avg (max)
    Shortest "long" run ever. I definitely managed the slow part though. Retraced a bit of the route of the RnR half just for fun/nostalgia.

    Sunday 10th: No running but a short hike in between torrential rain showers instead.

    Mileage for the week: 32.2

    And that's a wrap on week 1 of my HADD experiment! I'd love to this that this week will see me become magically faster, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it might take a little longer :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Well done on week 1 of HADD training. I'll be following with interest ;)
    Bluesquare wrote: »
    Your very patient - after one days experience my head was melted . Although I'm liking this new average heart rate setting! You can join me on sub 4 quest for DCM next year .........

    Just need to find the right plan!

    I can't believe i was just reading back and got excited when i saw this :eek::eek::eek::eek: So much for never again and i haven't even go to the start line of this year yet :pac::pac::pac::pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    ariana` wrote: »
    Well done on week 1 of HADD training. I'll be following with interest ;)



    I can't believe i was just reading back and got excited when i saw this :eek::eek::eek::eek: So much for never again and i haven't even go to the start line of this year yet :pac::pac::pac::pac:

    Oh but just think how much easier the second one is bound to be! (I assume, based on no experience whatsoever ;) ) People aren't lying when they say it's a bug are they??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Bluesquare wrote: »
    Your very patient - after one days experience my head was melted . Although I'm liking this new average heart rate setting! You can join me on sub 4 quest for DCM next year .........

    Just need to find the right plan!
    eyrie wrote: »
    Oh but just think how much easier the second one is bound to be! (I assume, based on no experience whatsoever ;) ) People aren't lying when they say it's a bug are they??

    I don't know does anything about running ever get easier :confused: We're always trying to go longer or go faster or both so it never really feels any easier does it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Time to get caught up here! Recap for last week:

    I knew this week was always going to be a bit interrupted due to some travel planned for the weekend, so aim was just to keep it going as much as I could. Pleased to say that things felt a teeny tiny bit better this week! Still slow as molasses and getting random HR spikes but slightly fewer of those. It's a start!

    Goal for all runs: 140-145 HR

    Monday 11th - 5.3 miles / 11:57 avg pace / 143 (151) HR avg (max)
    Very windy. Up and out early (6.30 :o) - first time going out while it was still dark. Not sure how the morning running will go when we get into winter...

    Tuesday 12th - 5.4 miles / 11:19 avg pace / 143 (152) HR avg (max)
    This one felt much easier, which the pace reflects. Evening instead of morning though, and that always makes a difference for me.

    Wednesday 13th - 5.3 miles / 11:34 avg pace / 145 (153) HR avg (max)
    Meh, this one wasn't great. Was feeling fairly stressed and I noticed that the heart rate would spike whenever I let my thoughts get carried away, so I'm blaming this one on having a lot on my mind.

    Thursday 14th - 5 miles / 11:30 avg pace / 142 (150) HR avg (max)
    Can't remember anything about this one now! Oops.

    Friday 15th - 3 miles / 11:19 avg pace / 143 (151) HR avg (max)

    Only had time for a short one. Went fine!

    Saturday 16th - Unplanned Rest Day
    A VERY late night the previous night (and far too many glasses of wine) put paid to my grand plan of an early morning long run. After that it was travelling all day so no opportunity for one either. Headed to Cork to see The National in the opera house. What a gig! Worth missing a run for ;)

    Sunday 17th - Planned rest day
    Knew I'd never manage anything today as I was driving from Cork straight back up to the airport, and away for work.

    Mileage for the week: 24

    Lower than I had intended, but not the end of the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Huzzah!


    eyrie wrote: »

    Saturday 16th - Unplanned Rest Day
    A VERY late night the previous night (and far too many glasses of wine) put paid to my grand plan of an early morning long run. After that it was travelling all day so no opportunity for one either. Headed to Cork to see The National in the opera house. What a gig! Worth missing a run for ;)


    Mileage for the week: 24

    Lower than I had intended, but not the end of the world.

    Five days' running seems like a decent week to me. Very jealous you were at The National gig. What a band!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Huzzah! wrote: »
    Five days' running seems like a decent week to me. Very jealous you were at The National gig. What a band!

    I know, so good! I've seen them a few times now and I think this was the best.

    Oh yes five days is fine, just I didn't have any kind of a long run. Must try harder!

    Are you feeling any better now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Huzzah!


    eyrie wrote: »

    Are you feeling any better now?

    Yep, thanks - most of the discomfort has gone from my chest. Going to try a recovery run shortly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    A bit more disruption for this week before I could properly settle back into the normal running routine. I was away on a work trip on Monday, flew back Tuesday. No opportunity for any running on the Monday, but I headed out for a short one when I got back from the airport the next day.

    It was a week of ups and downs running-wise, really. Two terrific days (Thurs & Fri) where everything felt the easiest it has in ages. Then an absolute slog of a fairly short LSR on Sunday which just a struggle throughout, for no reason that I could come up with. Left me scratching my head and glad it was over. But hey it's a new week, time to start it all over again :)

    Goal for all runs: 140-145 HR

    Monday 18th - Planned rest day
    Abroad for work and no way I could run. Istanbul - never been before and didn't get to see much but it left an impression. Will definitely go back.

    Tuesday 19th - 4.15 miles / 11:32 avg pace / 142 (152) HR avg (max)
    Felt easy and comfortable. Nice to be back out.

    Wednesday 20th - 5 miles / 11:44 avg pace / 144 (156) HR avg (max)
    Treadmill. Misery. Effort felt very easy but I think the heat in the gym caused the HR to be high regardless.

    Thursday 21st - 5.6 miles / 10:54 avg pace / 142 (150) HR avg (max)
    Best run in ages! Not really sure where it came from but I enjoyed every minute. All miles bar the fifth were under 11mins.

    Friday 22nd - 6.3 miles / 11:07 avg pace / 142 (151) HR avg (max)

    Finally remembered to do some strides, which were fun! Again the whole run felt good.

    Saturday 23rd - Rest Day
    I've started a part-time Masters, and today was a school day all day. Amazing how exhausting sitting in a chair all day and paying attention can be! No running :(

    Sunday 24th - 8.1 miles / 11:50 avg pace / 147 (160) HR avg (max)
    Hideous run! Felt wrong from the outset. No matter how slowly I went I couldn't get the heart rate to stay down at all. Slogged through it but it was a relief to get to the end.

    Mileage for the week: 29.15


    My rough aim has been to bump my mileage up to high 30s (and ultimately beyond) but it's proving harder than expected. Will keep at it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Am I really into the fourth week of this already? I'd love to say I've noticed an improvement so far, but in all honesty I have yet to manage a single run where I kept my heart rate in the target range throughout. Average HR yes, but I've always had at least one pesky spike up to 150 or above. Feels pretty frustrating. But I've got time to give it, so I will stick with it.

    Monday 25th - 5.14 miles / 11:50 avg pace /143 (151) HR avg (max)
    Runmute home with the backpack. Kept having to slow down to keep the effort in check. Frustrating.

    Tuesday 26th - 4.11 miles / 11:00 avg pace /144 (152) HR avg (max)
    Lunchtime run, hence shorter distance. Bit quicker this time but I felt it too. Bit lightheaded the last few runs, something feels off. Haven't been sleeping well so maybe it's just that?

    Wednesday 27th - 5 miles / 12:18 avg pace /143 (152) HR avg (max)
    The frustration continues... :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Huzzah!


    I was thinking of you this morning on my recovery runmute, which sounds a bit odd but it's all downhill and I was really struggling to keep my heart rate in the right zone. Brought me right back to my Hadd days.

    It is frustrating but I wouldn't worry tooooo much if it's just the odd spike. It'll drive you bananas, otherwise. You just need to be careful that you're not spending a lot of time outside the required parameters and justifying it on the basis that the average is correct, if you get me? Although, I could be wrong!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Couldn't have picked a worse time to decide to start a running log, apparently. The few weeks since I started this have been the least consistent I've had since I started running! Partly due to having finished my goal race at that time, but it has continued now as I've gone back to college part time on top of normal work, and I just can't prioritise running as much as I had been. It's frustrating, and I feel like I'm not making the progress I would like, but there's not much I can do about it really. It's a phase, and as long as I can keep running reasonably consistently (even if less than I'd like), I'll just have to be content with that for now.
    I managed one more easy run last week, but the weekend was devoted to studying and I didn't get out at all.

    New week now, new start!

    Monday 2nd October - Pilates & 5 miles / 12:09 avg pace /142 (152) HR avg (max)

    Not much to say about that one. Effort was actually mostly in range until the last third and a few random spikes on uphill drags.
    Back to Pilates for the first time in aaaaages. Not as torturous as I was expecting.

    Tuesday 3rd - 5 miles / 12:35 avg pace /143 (150) HR avg (max)
    Slow. Slow. Slow. Runmute into work with the backpack. AND worst of all I was carrying food in my backpack for the day and when I got in it had burst and smushed all over my work clothes. Woe!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭gypsylee


    Tuesday 3rd - 5 miles / 12:35 avg pace /143 (150) HR avg (max)
    Slow. Slow. Slow. Runmute into work with the backpack. AND worst of all I was carrying food in my backpack for the day and when I got in it had burst and smushed all over my work clothes. Woe![/QUOTE]

    Oh God love you! Not a great start to your work day. Hope the day improves for you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    gypsylee wrote: »
    Oh God love you! Not a great start to your work day. Hope the day improves for you.

    Thanks! I managed to clean up most of the damage so I think I'm getting away with it! Now I just hope I don't mysteriously smell of apple bran muffin (the offending item)... :o At least it wasn't soup or curry or something!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    eyrie just came across your log today. Congrats on the R&R, a great debut half and a great report.

    You will see your times coming down the more running you do. You have great patience, I'd have giving up the HAAD after week one:o It will stand to you and you will be delighted with the results.

    Regarding your weekend and studying, it might be a good idea to schedule a short run in, as it will refresh you, give you a break from study and it will make you feel less guilty.

    I will be following the log and your progress with interest, my original PBs were very similar to yours and some days I can't believe how far I've come.

    Happy Running.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Younganne wrote: »
    eyrie just came across your log today. Congrats on the R&R, a great debut half and a great report.

    You will see your times coming down the more running you do. You have great patience, I'd have giving up the HAAD after week one:o It will stand to you and you will be delighted with the results.

    Regarding your weekend and studying, it might be a good idea to schedule a short run in, as it will refresh you, give you a break from study and it will make you feel less guilty.

    I will be following the log and your progress with interest, my original PBs were very similar to yours and some days I can't believe how far I've come.

    Happy Running.

    Thank you!! I've read your log since joining here but had to just go back to the start when I read your comment, and wow! Makes me think there's hope yet... Not that I can imagine ever doing half of what you've done, that's some impressive variety you've got going on!

    I think you're 100% right about the balance between studying/running too - last weekend was too heavily all-in-the-head, I'll make sure to get out for a run to keep me sane this weekend. Helps the studying in the long run I reckon!

    Thanks for commenting :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Wednesday 4th - 4 miles / 12:30 avg pace /140 (149) HR avg (max)

    Lunchtime hop on the treadmill. FINALLY managed to keep the HR below 150 the entire time! Although that's about the only positive thing I can say about this one :(

    Thursday 5th - 5.12 miles / 12:35 avg pace /143 (152) HR avg (max)

    I seem to be getting slower, not faster. Pretty sure it was meant to go the other way... This was a runmute in the morning with the backpack, so I'm going to try and blame it on that!

    Friday 6th - 4.75 miles / 12:38 avg pace /139 (148) HR avg (max)

    Hallelujah! One more for the under 150 HR bank. We'll ignore the fact that it should really be under 145... Baby steps! Oh and let's also ignore how painfully slow this was, can we??

    Saturday 7th - 8.06 miles / 11:47 avg pace /143 (152) HR avg (max)

    "Long" run day. This actually felt great! Fun and relaxed, like I could have run all day. There were a few spikes going uphill into the wind near the start, but after that the effort was within range too. So, better.

    And Sunday was a rest day.

    Weekly mileage: 31.96 miles

    I'm really starting to miss hard workouts (who am I? Didn't think I'd ever say that) and races.
    While I've been frustrated by seeming to get slower rather than faster following this method, I can also say that 6 days running in a row has never felt so easy on my body. I'm really hoping if I stick with it a bit longer the paces will start to pick up too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    The week didn't pan out exactly as planned, meaning the weekend was a bit of a (well total!) fail. I was away for it so I knew Saturday would be out, but thought I'd get back in time for a long run on Sunday evening. I didn't. :( I feel the long runs are really important in this kind of training since there seems to be so little else to drive any adaptations, given that it's all easy pace. So I'm annoyed with myself for missing it, but it couldn't be helped. Onwards!

    Monday 9th - Pilates + 5.12 miles / 11:49 avg pace / 142 (153) HR avg (max)
    Lovely run! Headed out after work. Felt very comfortable. I was itching to go faster towards the end, but held back. HR/effort was actually fairly consistent throughout - the max reading was an anomaly from a hill about halfway.

    Tuesday 10th - 5.26 miles / 12:03 avg pace / 143 (153) HR avg (max)
    Heavy backpack for the runmute to work. Forgot to bring all the necessary supplies in yesterday. Whether it was down to that or not, this felt harder than it should have. Didn't pay as much attention as I should have to keeping the heart rate in the right place either.

    On reflection, this and several of the harder runs from recent weeks have been to/from work with the backpack. I just don't enjoy it. Convenient though, but will try to prioritise regular unencumbered runs when possible.

    Wednesday 11th - 3.51 miles / 12:16 avg pace / 141 (148) HR avg (max)
    Ordered some new runners. Short on time at lunchtime so hit the treadmill for a short stint. Felt very easy and relaxed. Noticed the HR starting to climb about 25 mins in, which I'm fairly sure is due to the heat in the gym.

    Thursday 12th - 6.55 miles / 11:56 avg pace / 143 (151) HR avg (max)
    Evening runmute with the backpack, but managed not to put half my worldly possessions into it this time! Extended the run a bit too. Really enjoyed this one. Felt like I could have kept going forever.

    Friday 13th - 5.1 miles / 11:52 avg pace / 143 (150) HR avg (max)

    Runmute home with backpack. Can't remember anything so I'll assume it was grand!

    Weekly mileage: 25.5 miles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Monday 16th - Duck and cover!
    No running. Hiding out from Ophelia. Went stir crazy. Should have run in the morning while it was still calm in Dublin.

    Tuesday 17th - 5.24 miles / 11:09 avg pace / 143 (150) HR avg (max)
    Back on the horse! And it seems like a few days of idleness did me good - I was raring to go and the pace was well up on recent outings for the same effort. Lunchtime spin out from the office got this one done. Still windy out.

    Wednesday 18th - Strength Class + 5.21 miles / 12:05 avg pace / 142 (149) HR avg (max)
    Lesson: one good run does not a faster runner make! Right back down to earth with this one. Felt fairly wrecked before heading out. Had done my first proper strength training session in ages earlier and the legs were tired.

    Thursday 19th - 3.01 miles / 12:14 avg pace / 142 (149) HR avg (max)
    Worse again. First thing in the morning, having barely slept. Treadmill. Legs in bits after the weights yesterday. This was never going to go very well!

    Friday 20th - 4.34 miles / 11:20 avg pace / 143 (151) HR avg (max)
    Home from work and straight out - the only way to do it on a Friday evening. Very windy out there (Storm Brian making his arrival known) but I felt springy. Really enjoyed this one.

    Saturday 21st - College all day. No running

    Sunday 22nd - 8.15 miles / 11:00 avg pace / 144 (154) HR avg (max)
    Ahh, lovely! Had an amusing chat with another runner as we passed each other going in opposite directions. He asked me was I doing "the race" next weekend. I said I wished, but I'd be watching. He said he'd done the last 5 years and was giving himself a rest. Seemed he'd earned one!Heart rate got away from me a bit but it was a hilly route.

    Weekly mileage: 25.95 miles


    Starting to think that sleep is a decisive factor for me re: pace/effort level. Everything is noticeably easier for me on a consistent basis on Sunday runs, and I think it has to be because I've slept more. I'm a really bad sleeper during the week. It's something I'd love to improve but don't really know how. Getting up early to run doesn't help either...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Huzzah!


    eyrie wrote: »

    Starting to think that sleep is a decisive factor for me re: pace/effort level. Everything is noticeably easier for me on a consistent basis on Sunday runs, and I think it has to be because I've slept more. I'm a really bad sleeper during the week. It's something I'd love to improve but don't really know how. Getting up early to run doesn't help either...

    Definitely. I do a lot of my running by heart rate and there are any number of factors which can impact on effort. Sleep is a big one. The other obvious one is heat or humidity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    Have to stick up a reminder here, for myself as much as anything, that I'm supposed to be running all runs between 140-145 HR, up to max 150 at a push. I completely failed at this so far this week so need to cop on and be more disciplined with it.

    Monday 23rd - Pilates + 4.65 miles / 11:49 avg pace / 144 (155) HR avg (max)
    Ran home from work with the backpack. Started fine but felt a bit off from the second mile onwards. Let HR get a bit away from me too. On the bright side, I finally got the nod to move up to intermediate pilates, woo!

    Tuesday 24th - 5.02 miles / 11:49 avg pace / 147 (154) HR avg (max)
    Eeek, no excuses for this one. Morning run to work with backpack. Felt pretty awful really, heavy legs and effort way out of proportion to pace. It was windy and humid, and that definitely played a part.

    Wednesday 25th - 4.28 miles / 12:05 avg pace / 152 (163) HR avg (max) - !!!
    Failure of technology. At least I think that's the only way to explain this one. HR was a good 15-20 beats higher than normal for the same pace throughout, despite everything feeling mostly very easy. Felt a bit weird/woozy in a few patches but that may have been psychological due to the watch apparently telling me I was about to spontaneously combust!

    Thursday 26th - Rest
    After the weirdness of Wednesday I decided to take a rest day. I'm still hoping it was down to watch misbehaviour but given that Monday and Tuesday's runs both felt fairly crap I decided to take a break and reset!


    Getting very excited on behalf of everyone running on Sunday! I will be out watching and cheering, and probably getting very carried away imagining myself being on the other side of the spectator line next year! Hoping it's a great day for everyone running :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    eyrie wrote: »
    Have to stick up a reminder here, for myself as much as anything, that I'm supposed to be running all runs between 140-145 HR, up to max 150 at a push. I completely failed at this so far this week so need to cop on and be more disciplined with it.

    So it's not just me that gets carried away, I struggle with the discipline to run at the proper paces most days too , It ain't easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭eyrie


    The Muppet wrote: »
    So it's not just me that gets carried away, I struggle with the discipline to run at the proper paces most days too , It ain't easy.

    Oh I'd be willing to bet there's more than a few of us in it! The irony is that it often feels like running "easy" is harder than running "hard", go figure! :confused:

    You seem to be very consistent though so I wouldn't have said discipline was a problem :)


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