ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

whiskeyman

munsterlegend wrote: »

I think Spanish authorities waiting for father to arrive from Australia. Unfortunately from what I have read online the child is not missing and is a victim of this attack.

Ah ok.
Most media I saw have 'reported missing'
https://www.google.ie/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/17/victims-las-ramblas-terror-attack/amp/

I guess it's probably waiting to ensure body is ID'd.

munsterlegend

whiskeyman wrote: »

Ah ok.
Most media I saw have 'reported missing'
https://www.google.ie/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/17/victims-las-ramblas-terror-attack/amp/

I guess it's probably waiting to ensure body is ID'd.

His mother was injured in the attack so no one to identify the poor lad I suppose. It was the same in London where a Spanish person was reported missing for 3 days and then confirmed as a victim.

pjohnson

kraitor wrote: »

look to be honest there is information about galway, not exactly in the public domain but any dog in the street in galway can tell ya the story,

to be fair if you want exact adressees and locations pm me,

and as u said urself i don't care if it;s galway or dublin, i agree with that

I'm guessin ya didn't pull in Carbon so was a bit cranky at 5.30am. I hope the JC went well for ya.

wakka12

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/russia-stabbings-siberia-surgut-injured-knife-terror-latest-a7901646.html
8 people stabbed in Russia city of Surgut this morning, 2 in critical condition.
May be the 4th terrorist attack in europe in 48 hours after Barcelona, Cambrils and Turku.

branie2

Who could be next?

Snake Plisken

According to the Indo there are over 70 on the Jihadi sympathisers watchlist, it was only thought to be 30 or 40 before but the list has grown! These are scum who are communicating and providing logistical support with suspected terror activists in Europe.

timthumbni

Snake Plisken wrote: »

According to the Indo there are over 70 on the Jihadi sympathisers watchlist, it was only thought to be 30 or 40 before but the list has grown! These are scum who are communicating and providing logistical support with suspected terror activists in Europe.

I think you could probably double that and still be underestimating tbh.

We have become soft and naive in Western Europe. Let's hope we wake up before it's too late...

Barry Badrinath

branie2 wrote: »

Who could be next?

Dun Dun Duuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnn!

Stay tuned to find out!

Samaris

Poor kid. Yeah, it will remain officially "missing" status until the body is identified as a matter of course. Prevents declaring someone dead and then realising that the body is someone else.

conorhal

Snake Plisken wrote: »

According to the Indo there are over 70 on the Jihadi sympathisers watchlist, it was only thought to be 30 or 40 before but the list has grown! These are scum who are communicating and providing logistical support with suspected terror activists in Europe.

I'm baffled as to why that list isn't reduced to zero by tomorrow, none of these people were here 20yrs ago, I doubt many of them are 'home grown' so we have a golden opportunity that the likes of France and the UK missed a generation ago to say, 'see ya! and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!' as they get deported en mass.

FrancieBrady

conorhal wrote: »

I'm baffled

I'm baffled that people believe a word the Indo writes.

conorhal

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm baffled that people believe a word the Indo writes.

You seem to be baffled by the fact that the guards had 70 people on a watch list as possible islamist terrorists? Despite a couple of those on that list being arrested for terror related offenses, and one participating in a terrorist attack in London this year?
I'm also baffled by the reflexive response of some, to having genuine terrorists in their midst, be a glib ' but the Indo eh? amirite?'

Samaris

conorhal wrote: »

I'm baffled as to why that list isn't reduced to zero by tomorrow, none of these people were here 20yrs ago, I doubt many of them are 'home grown' so we have a golden opportunity that the likes of France and the UK missed a generation ago to say, 'see ya! and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!' as they get deported en mass.

I wouldn't doubt too much regarding home-grown. A lot of them are, so that does make things awkward. There may also be small fry being tracked to get at bigger fish for many of the likely suspects. Whack-a-mole is one option, but without cutting the head off the cells, it's like weeding dandelions by pulling off the flowers rather than getting at the roots. Sure, it'll make them less visible (and may well take out a few who would actually commit an attack), but it leaves the roots free to keep infesting.

branie2

Security at Spanish tourist sites is going to be reinforced

AlekSmart

end of the road wrote: »

not in my opinion, but in fact. he was spanish


It doesn't matter. what he identifies himself as is irrelevant, he was Spanish.

Au contraire.

In the context of the current Islamic campaign against Western values and people,it matters VERY much what he (and his fellow savages) identify themselves as.

These attacks have a purpose enshrined deep within the perpetrators Islamic beliefs,which view the largely Catholic/Christian Spanish population as kuffir,Infidel,unbeliever...whatever of the multiple derisory Koranic classifications you feel most comfortable using.

To suggest that these peoples self-identies are irrelevant,is denying the very obvious reality that their Radical Muslim identity is the ONLY justification they can use to explain,what to most other observers,is murderous psychopathic abberance. :mad:

Widdershins

I've just seen a photo of a friend tagged on Facebook having drinks at Las Ramblas. It just seems weird to be drinking and socialising right after what happened there. I actually think people should stop doing these solidarity things and carrying on like it is ok People need to show the governments it is not ok, only then will they to do something.

McCrack

Widdershins wrote: »

I've just seen a photo of a friend tagged on Facebook having drinks at Las Ramblas. It just seems weird to be drinking and socialising right after what happened there. I actually think people should stop doing these solidarity things and carrying on like it is ok People need to show the governments it is not ok, only then will they to do something.

Your friend is doing the right thing.

Terrorists will not succed so long as people continue normal day to day life.

The moment that stops the ***** have won

Widdershins

McCrack wrote: »

Your friend is doing the right thing.

Terrorists will not succed so long as people continue normal day to day life.

The moment that stops the ***** have won

Every person they slaughter is a success in their mind. That's their idea of success. To kill as many as they can. They don't take peoples caution as a score. And pretending everything ok is nonsense. It's unnatural. Also I find it disrespectful to be socialising at the site of recent mass slaughter.

deaddonkey15

Widdershins wrote: »

I've just seen a photo of a friend tagged on Facebook having drinks at Las Ramblas. It just seems weird to be drinking and socialising right after what happened there. I actually think people should stop doing these solidarity things and carrying on like it is ok People need to show the governments it is not ok, only then will they to do something.

Indeed. Apparently people were flooding Twitter with cat photos so images of the Barcelona attack wouldn't be seen and enjoyed by the attackers. Too many people think they are making a difference and that we are somehow "winning" by carrying on as normal, tweeting "thoughts and prayers", using clever hashtags (#nothingtodowithislam, #thingsthatleavelondonreeling #refugeeswelcome #lovetrumpshate), getting a temporary filtered FB profile pic etc. whilst real people continue to be killed and maimed with alarming regularity. The people who are intent on bringing death and destruction to Europe must be laughing at how pathetic it all is and how easy it is for them to attack again as a result.

AlekSmart

Widdershins wrote: »

I've just seen a photo of a friend tagged on Facebook having drinks at Las Ramblas. It just seems weird to be drinking and socialising right after what happened there. I actually think people should stop doing these solidarity things and carrying on like it is ok People need to show the governments it is not ok, only then will they to do something.

But,the vast majority of people are NOT doing "solidarity things".

People,including presumably,your friend,are simply carrying on with their lives as best they can.
We can do this perfectly well,whilst coincidentally lobbying Governments to increase our protection levels,something which we cannot do if we retreat into a bunker far from the real World.

To suggest that the interpretation of the Koran instilled in some wild eyed 17 year old Spanish Muslim,by a devious manipulative,probably on-line,bearded Imam should be allowed to alter our Western normality,cuts to the chase about what level of acceptance we give to Radicalization from whatever belief structure it comes.

Eat,drink and be merry,for Tomorrow we Die,may well turn out to be accurate for some,but for the majority of US,it's business as usual and,up yours ISIS

Widdershins

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Indeed. Apparently people were flooding Twitter with cat photos so images of the Barcelona attack wouldn't be seen and enjoyed by the attackers. Too many people think they are making a difference and that we are somehow "winning" by carrying on as normal, tweeting "thoughts and prayers", using clever hashtags (#nothingtodowithislam, #thingsthatleavelondonreeling #refugeeswelcome #lovetrumpshate), getting a temporary filtered FB profile pic etc. whilst real people continue to be killed and maimed with alarming regularity. The people who are intent on bringing death and destruction to Europe must be laughing at how pathetic it all is and how easy it is for them to attack again as a result.

Pointless empty gestures. This is not a war on our feelings or our self confidence.

Samaris

Widdershins wrote: »

Pointless empty gestures. This is not a war on our feelings or our self confidence.

Whatever about whether or not I agree with how they were going about it (undecided), that ..actually absolutely is what it is. That is what terrorist campaigns are - to cause terror to force people to their will.

Widdershins

Samaris wrote: »

Whatever about whether or not I agree with how they were going about it (undecided), that ..actually absolutely is what it is. That is what terrorist campaigns are - to cause terror to force people to their will.

Their aim is to kill, maim and conquer. To say they ''win'' if the public are scared suggests that people think that is their goal, but killing, maiming and conquering is their goal, not frightening people. Safety, staying alive, preventing more mass murder, and sending the message that it needs to stop is vital, and it's not being achieving by sad little - well meaning- attempts at defiance and sing songs and holding hands and lighting tea lights. They aren't trying to make us bargain or talk to them, this is not the IRA. What terrorist groups like the IRA want and how we respond to that does not apply here.

timthumbni

We (Western Europe) have to admit we have become soft and flabby.

The snowflake fear of offending people has left us lying like a flaccid drunk at a bordello.

We need to wise the **** up and very quickly...,

AlekSmart

Widdershins wrote: »

Every person they slaughter is a success in their mind. That's their idea of success. To kill as many as they can. They don't take peoples caution as a score. And pretending everything ok is nonsense. It's unnatural. Also I find it disrespectful to be socialising at the site of recent mass slaughter.

I certainly don't see disrespect in any of it.

I see a culture,admittedly far more exhuberant than our own,doing what it does best.

I can remember witnessing a Funeral in Italy some years back,and being shocked at the attendees braaking into applause and whistles as the coffin left the Church,with the deceased's relatives being clasped and cheek-kissed by other mourners.

I was gobsmacked,as was my missus,but now many years later I see it as the expressive nature of the region being given full freedom,a freedom I have often since wished we had at our own Funeral proceedings.

Living a normal life,but using the knowledge of the levels to which Radical Islam will sink to impose it's dictats on Infidels,can only inspire a heightened degree of awareness and vigilance amongst us all...That,above all else,will serve to frustrate more of these attacks,certainly more that barricading our fearful,shaking selves in our houses will ever do.

FrancieBrady

conorhal wrote: »

You seem to be baffled by the fact that the guards had 70 people on a watch list as possible islamist terrorists? Despite a couple of those on that list being arrested for terror related offenses, and one participating in a terrorist attack in London this year?
I'm also baffled by the reflexive response of some, to having genuine terrorists in their midst, be a glib ' but the Indo eh? amirite?'

Its an article which doesn't even bother to quote a garda. So it is the opinion of Tom Brady.
The Into is synonymous with sensationalism around this subject matter.

AlekSmart

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Its an article which doesn't even bother to quote a garda. So it is the opinion of Tom Brady.
The Into is synonymous with sensationalism around this subject matter.

So....is there anybody on this watch-list ?

Do our authorities have the interest to maintain one ?

What would a "sensational" figure be...or more pertinently,what number would you accept as meh...that's grand ?

FraR

In the German newspaper FAZ Kyai Haji Yahya Cholil Staquf, the General secretary of the largest Muslim organization in Indonesia, gave several statements about the connection between Islam and terrorism:

The West has to stop labelling criticism of the religious basis of extremism as Islamophobe. There is a clear connection between fundamentalism, terror and the basic assumptions of Islamic orthodoxy.

Three centres of concerns: relationship of Muslims to non-Muslim, relation to state and to law
classically: relationship of Muslims to non-Muslim is of segregation and hostility. Today this is unreasonable and makes a peaceful cohabit in a multicultural and multi-religious society in the 21. century tendentiously impossible.

In Islamic tradition the concept of the state is a universal, unified state for all Muslims with a single ruler at the top, which unifies the Muslim world against the non-Muslim world.

Many Muslims believe that there are several unchangeable Islamic laws, also known as sharia. It has to be very clear that the laws of the state are above these religious laws.

suicide_circus

^^^^ this stuff won't stop until islam has a serious reformation. There is a fundamental problem with compatability with modern western society. I'll go all caps so there is no doubt: THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH ORDINARY MUSLIMS BUT WITH SOME ISLAMIC DOCTRINE. And since the koran is the literal and unalterable word of God, it does not allow for ammendments or reformations.

Most religions become problematic once you start taking them literally (see all human history) and unfortunately that's what's happening within islam right now.

conorhal

Samaris wrote: »

I wouldn't doubt too much regarding home-grown. A lot of them are, so that does make things awkward. There may also be small fry being tracked to get at bigger fish for many of the likely suspects. Whack-a-mole is one option, but without cutting the head off the cells, it's like weeding dandelions by pulling off the flowers rather than getting at the roots. Sure, it'll make them less visible (and may well take out a few who would actually commit an attack), but it leaves the roots free to keep infesting.

Deport them and then you deal with the roots, your post perfectly characterizes the establishment paralysis on the issue, no but's, ifs or whatabouts, act, just boot them.
A very small number would be second generation, very few will have been born here so get them out. Then go deal with the rest of the problem. I get so frustrated with the 'well, there's nothing we can do really attitude', what the politicians are really saying is that there's nothing we want to do least we seem a wee bit racist and so we're more comfortable doing nothing at all.
We need to deal with this problem now before it grows. The fiddling while Rome burns needs to stop, the hand wringing needs to stop and the odd inertia regards addressing the problem needs to end because 'we told you so' will be cold comfort on the day you loose a family member that was ambling up Grafton St. at the wrong time.