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ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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    #1292
    Nettle Soup
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    tonycascarino wrote: »
    Just because you are born in a stable it doesn't make you a horse. I'd say he was about as Spanish as Darby O'Gill

    Stupid post. Are you saying he was not Spanish?

    It's best to accept the facts and assess them rather than act the ostrich. We are dealing with a 17 year old Spaniard who was somehow radicalised enough to murder 14 innocent people by driving at speed through a crowd. This is the kind if lunacy we are dealing with. It's a difficult enemy to engage or defeat.


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    #1293
    Nettle Soup
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    tonycascarino wrote: »
    ...in your opinion. In mine, he was North African to the core. Deal with it.

    :D

    You have to laugh. You're making great progress on the solution then.


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    #1294
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    Stupid post. Are you saying he was not Spanish?

    It's best to accept the facts and assess them rather than act the ostrich. We are dealing with a 17 year old Spaniard who was somehow radicalised enough to murder 14 innocent people by driving at speed through a crowd. This is the kind if lunacy we are dealing with. It's a difficult enemy to engage or defeat.

    You are determined to identify this 17 year old as Spanish to fit your narrative. Do you honestly believe that he himself identified himself as Spanish?

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    #1295
    Nettle Soup
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    You are determined to identify this 17 year old as Spanish to fit your narrative. Do you honestly believe that he himself identified himself as Spanish?

    He is a Spanish citizen. Why are you so shocked?
    We have seen this before. You guys sound annoyed by this fact.

    Oh and what is my narrative? Thrill me with your acumen...


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    #1296
    Lukker-
    Registered Users Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    EuropaMoon wrote: »
    Fact is, AntiFa (or neo fascists) are alligning themselves with radical Islam.

    That's a strawman argument there.

    I'm no fan of ANTIFA, but whatever about them clashing with Falangists. In my mind, 2 groups of idiots. But how does that align anybody with radical Islam?


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    #1297
    SafeSurfer
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    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    He is a Spanish citizen. Why are you so shocked?
    We have seen this before.

    Oh and what is my narrative? Thrill me with your acumen...

    I think you have your head in the sand. So what if he is a Spanish citizen. He was 17. I think it is pathetic that you see it as a victory that this terrorist was born in the west not in an Arab country. What does that prove?
    Did he kill 13 people because of his Spanish culture and heritage? Of course not.

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    #1298
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    Who gives a sh*te what he called himself. He is a dirty scumbag chicken **** child killing bastard


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    #1299
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    You can be sure that his Spanish citizen status means more to a few people on here than it does to himself.


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    #1300
    end of the road
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    tonycascarino wrote: »
    ...in your opinion. In mine, he was North African to the core. Deal with it.


    not in my opinion, but in fact. he was spanish
    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    You are determined to identify this 17 year old as Spanish to fit your narrative. Do you honestly believe that he himself identified himself as Spanish?


    it doesn't matter. what he identifies himself as is irrelevant, he was spanish.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1301
    Nettle Soup
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    I think you have your head in the sand. So what if he is a Spanish citizen. He was 17. I think it is pathetic that you see it as a victory that this terrorist was born in the west not in an Arab country. What does that prove?
    Did he kill 13 people because of his Spanish culture and heritage? Of course not.

    So I call ye ostriches and you reply with the utter nonsense above? What age are you?
    At least I can acknowledge facts and consider the difficultly in fighting this terrorism. Some of you clowns can only deal in black + white causes and solutions.


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    #1302
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    So what if he is a Spanish citizen.
    Are you seriously suggesting it would have been deemed irrelevant if this ISIS nutjob marauded into Spain on Mrs Merkel's initiative?

    If course it's bloody relevant. It would have been relevant if he had recently immigrated, but the fact is that he (like many, or most of his kin) are Europeans.

    That is relevant. It forces us to ask serious questions about European countries' domestic (non immigration) policies.


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    #1303
    SafeSurfer
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    end of the road wrote: »
    not in my opinion, but in fact. he was spanish

    You obviously are not aware of the definition of nationality.

    Are all people born in Northern Ireland British?

    Answer me that please.

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    #1304
    SafeSurfer
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    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    So I call ye ostriches and you reply with the utter nonsense above? What age are you?
    At least I can acknowledge facts and consider the difficultly in fighting this terrorism. Some of you clowns can only deal in black + white causes and solutions.

    Ageist as well as deluded. You are the one who sees things in black and white terms. Are people born in Northern Ireland British?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #1305
    Nettle Soup
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    end of the road wrote: »
    not in my opinion, but in fact. he was spanish

    it doesn't matter. what he identifies himself as is irrelevant, he was spanish.

    Someone sees sense...and we both know that identifying home grown minors (u18) as terrorist risks is a lot harder than imported unknown risks.


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    #1306
    SafeSurfer
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Are you seriously suggesting it would have been deemed irrelevant if this ISIS nutjob marauded into Spain on Mrs Merkel's initiative?

    If course it's bloody relevant. It would have been relevant if he had recently immigrated, but the fact is that he (like many, or most of his kin) are Europeans.

    That is relevant. It forces us to ask serious questions about European countries' domestic (non immigration) policies.

    You consider him European. He would not consider himself European but I guess you believe you are right.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #1307
    end of the road
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    You obviously are not aware of the definition of nationality.

    wrong. i'm very aware of the definition, and the terrorist was spanish.
    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Are all people born in Northern Ireland British?

    none of those born in northern ireland are british, they are irish.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1308
    Snake Plisken
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    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    Stupid post. Are you saying he was not Spanish?

    It's best to accept the facts and assess them rather than act the ostrich. We are dealing with a 17 year old Spaniard who was somehow radicalised enough to murder 14 innocent people by driving at speed through a crowd. This is the kind if lunacy we are dealing with. It's a difficult enemy to engage or defeat.

    You do realise that these scum consider themselves Muslim first and probably Moroccan before Spanish!


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    #1309
    gw80
    Registered Users Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭gw80


    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    So I call ye ostriches and you reply with the utter nonsense above? What age are you?
    At least I can acknowledge facts and consider the difficultly in fighting this terrorism. Some of you clowns can only deal in black + white causes and solutions.

    Hmm, ostriches, clowns, what is it they say about resorting to name calling when losing an argument?


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    #1310
    SafeSurfer
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    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    Someone sees sense...and we both know that identifying home grown minors (u18) as terrorist risks is a lot harder than imported unknown risks.

    What a nonsense statement. You are saying that European citizens who we can track their internet search history, associations, organisations memberships etc are more difficult to identify as potential threats than unknown individuals running from a boat up s beach in Spain. This is clearly nonsense.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    You consider him European. He would not consider himself European but I guess you believe you are right.
    It's not a question of opinion, but one of fact.

    You don't choose to be Senegalese or American or Japanese by dint of will. You either are, you are not.


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    end of the road
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    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    You do realise that these scum consider themselves Muslim first and probably Moroccan before Spanish!


    irrelevant. they are still spanish. from spain if born in spain

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1313
    Snake Plisken
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    end of the road wrote: »
    wrong. i'm very aware of the definition, and the terrorist was spanish.



    none of those born in northern ireland are british, they are irish.

    Yeah and your Halawa buddy considers himself Egyptian! Or that's what he said when he was up on the stage! It's only when he was thrown in jail that he decided he was Irish


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    #1314
    Yamanoto
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    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    China??? Are you sure?
    The Chinese economy has been roaring for decades. Why would they be working in service stations in grotty Dublin??

    Best pop in & ask them.


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    #1315
    SafeSurfer
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    It's not a question of opinion, but one of fact.

    You don't choose to be Senegalese or American or Japanese by dint of will. You either are, you are not.
    This is also nonsense. One of the individuals caught up in this incident was an Irish citizen. A man born in the Philippines who chose to become an Irish citizen.
    Do you feel the same about gender? You are either one or the other? Your arguments are nonsense.

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    #1316
    mezzz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 119 ✭✭mezzz


    AT FIRST YOUR IN DENIAL,

    THEN RAGE,

    THEN ACCEPTANCE


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    #1317
    SafeSurfer
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    end of the road wrote: »
    wrong. i'm very aware of the definition, and the terrorist was spanish.



    none of those born in northern ireland are british, they are irish.
    Such hypocrisy. So nationality is fluid when it suits your arguments but rigid when it suits your narrative.
    So no one born in Northern Ireland is British?

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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    This is also nonsense. One of the individuals caught up in this incident was an Irish citizen. A man born in the Philippines who chose to become an Irish citizen.
    so then he was Irish. What's your point caller?
    Do you feel the same about gender? You are either one or the other? Your arguments are nonsense.
    Of course not.

    I guess I'm a bit of a language pedant, but one can identify as either (or neither) woman or man, but you can't just identify as being a citizen of a desired State.

    If he were Syrian or Afghani, and chose to identify as Spanish, you'd probably (quite rightfully) ridicule that.

    Similarly, I don't believe you'd find his nationality quite so irrelevant if he were a Syrian or Afghani.

    You lot must be very disappointed tonight.


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    #1319
    end of the road
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    So no one born in Northern Ireland is British?

    correct. the same as anyone born in other british ruled overseas territories that they stole from other countries aren't british. only those born in england scotland and wales are british.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Such hypocrisy. So nationality is fluid when it suits your arguments but rigid when it suits your narrative.
    So no one born in Northern Ireland is British?
    Gender is variable in the same way as religious and political affiliations are.

    But citizenship is not variable by any legal or logical means.

    Are you saying citizenship is fluid?


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    #1321
    SafeSurfer
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    so then he was Irish. What's your point caller?

    Of course not.

    I guess I'm a bit of a language pedant, but one can identify as either (or neither) woman or man, but you can't just identify as being a citizen of a desired State.

    If he were Syrian or Afghani, and chose to identify as Spanish, you'd probably (quite rightfully) ridicule that.

    Similarly, I don't believe you'd find his nationality quite so irrelevant if he were a Syrian or Afghani.

    You lot must be very disappointed tonight.

    I don't see any evidence that you are a pedant as you seem very confused.
    You are aware that people with an Irish granny can play for the Irish soccer team. Dual citizenship exists. People born in one country can become citizens of others. You rejoice that's 17 year old murderer was Spanish not Moroccan or Syrian. If this delights you then you have a very happy future.
    Do you really believe that he identified as Spanish?

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