Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

L1011

punisher5112 wrote: »

Who cares, they have to use it as part of many duties.

I know people working in offices on €70-€80k and they are given it for free not even under the tax free ones.

Management in cie, clerical staff get even more perks as they can travel on all.

CIE group staff only get the ticket required to get them to work and a few Irish Rail travel warrants a year on top of that. That works out as SHZ bus and rail for most but not all. Its not some all-system ticket

Stephen15

If there is going to be revised timetables on the 45a, 59, 63 and the 75 for when GAI start operating that will have to be released over the weekend surely in order for two weeks notice to be given so Ile keep my eyes peeled for any information.

devnull

Timetable changes for Phase 1 and Phase 2 now outlined on the Go-Ahead website with frequency increases indicated.

Phase 1– 45A, 75, 63 & 59
The NTA has given Go-Ahead Ireland an indicative date for switchover of services as Sunday 7th October 2018. Go-Ahead Ireland, in conjunction with the NTA, is aiming to have all timetables on their joint digital platforms (websites, twitter etc.) well in advance of implemention .

However, the following is a route by route guide to any changes made to the above routes.

45A /45B

Daytime frequency enhanced to every 20 minutes, and every 30 minutes each evening and Sunday daytimes.

Existing journeys diverting via Shanganagh Cliffs Estate are numbered 45B to distinguish them from the standard route, but apart from this the route is the same as the 45A.

59

Departure times between Dun Laoghaire and Dalkey and vice versa have been coordinated with service 111 where possible to offer more evenly spaced departures along these roads.

The route stays the same and there are no route variations.

63

Weekday daytime frequency remains every 30 minutes with first and last bus times broadly similar but enhanced to every 30 minutes each evening and Sunday daytimes.

75

Existing journeys via Sandyford Business Park will remain and be augmented at peak periods. These enhance the number of peak journeys between Dundrum and Tallaght.

The route is changed in Dundrum to now serve Main Street, Taney Road and Sydenham Road to allow for better travel opportunities with connections on to the Luas green line.

The timetable has been coordinated with the route 175 between Dundrum and Tallaght to offer more evenly spread departures throughout the day.

First and last journey times are similar and additional Sunday morning and evening journeys will be introduced.

Phase 2 – 111, 184 & 185
These services launch on Sunday, 21st October 2018.

111

On Mondays to Saturdays there are earlier trips from Dun Laoghaire towards Brides Glen to allow for better connections to the Luas green line.

A brand new Sunday service is being introduced to offer an hourly frequency, with the first journey from Brides Glen leaving at 09:33 and the final journey leaving at 23:33.

Departure times between Dun Laoghaire and Dalkey and vice versa have been coordinated with service 59 where possible to offer more evenly spaced departures along these roads.

The route stays the same and there are no route variations.

184

The timetable has been designed to connect with revised DART services at Greystones to and from Newtownmountkennedy.

The first and last journeys are broadly similar but the Mondays to Fridays evening frequency increases to every 30 minutes. On Saturdays and Sundays, there will be many extra journeys operating every 30 minutes, compared to current service provision of every hour on Saturdays and 2 hours on Sundays.

185

Significant improvements have been made to make the timetable easier to understand.

Each day, there will be departures every 30 minutes from Bray DART station to Palermo Estate, with one of these continuing every hour to Powerscourt via Enniskerry.

First and last journey times are similar to the current service except there earlier journeys on Sunday mornings.

StreetLight

Would have been an extra touch to see the trips on the 75 via Sandyford BD renumbered as 75A, but anyhow it's nice to see the dividends for extra capacity finally coming into play.

howiya

May have missed this but have DB announced what they'll be doing with their extra capacity once the changeover takes place?

loyatemu

devnull wrote: »

Timetable changes for Phase 1 and Phase 2 now outlined on the Go-Ahead website with frequency increases indicated.

I don't see this on their website - do you have a link?

loyatemu

loyatemu wrote: »

I don't see this on their website - do you have a link?

FAQ link on their page

Stephen15

Any idea when the revised timetables will be published in full

Stevek101

Timetables up for the next set of routes.


https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/



45a Timetable Commences 7th of October
59 Timetable Commences 7th of October
63 Timetable Commences 7th of October
75 Timetable Commences 7th of October

devnull

Stevek101 wrote: »

Timetables up for the next set of routes.


https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/



45a Timetable Commences 7th of October
59 Timetable Commences 7th of October
63 Timetable Commences 7th of October
75 Timetable Commences 7th of October

Just posted a new thread here to discuss these to give it more prominence.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057914681

Qrt

Stevek101 wrote: »

Timetables up for the next set of routes.


https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/



45a Timetable Commences 7th of October
59 Timetable Commences 7th of October
63 Timetable Commences 7th of October
75 Timetable Commences 7th of October

I think Go-Ahead publishing the timetables is a tragedy. We should be directing everyone towards the TFI Journey Planner. If they release their own app I'll deem this whole handover an utter f***-up!

MJohnston

Qrt wrote: »

I think Go-Ahead publishing the timetables is a tragedy. We should be directing everyone towards the TFI Journey Planner. If they release their own app I'll deem this whole handover an utter f***-up!

Didn't someone say they have to publish the timetables 2 weeks in advance of any change though? Presumably it will be on the Journey Planner too

Qrt

MJohnston wrote: »

Didn't someone say they have to publish the timetables 2 weeks in advance of any change though? Presumably it will be on the Journey Planner too

Yeah but the whole plan of the public not noticing the new operator is kinda falling apart at very seam.

Stephen15

Qrt wrote: »

Yeah but the whole plan of the public not noticing the new operator is kinda falling apart at very seam.

It's a bit riddiculous the NTA had 4 years to plan since when they first announced that certain routes would be tendered. Hopefully this will be a temporary issue.

Stephen Gawking

Anyone know if the handover of routes has been delayed? I saw something online yesterday saying that the route handover would be delayed but for the life of me I cannot remember where I saw it.

L1011

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

Anyone know if the handover of routes has been delayed? I saw something online yesterday saying that the route handover would be delayed but for the life of me I cannot remember where I saw it.

Probably the nonsense / wishful thinking posted by an idiot on here, repeatedly

Stephen Gawking

I don't think it was on here to be honest but thanks. Time to search Twitter me thinks.

L1011

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

I don't think it was on here to be honest but thanks. Time to search Twitter me thinks.

Same idiot posting there then probably

AlekSmart

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

Anyone know if the handover of routes has been delayed? I saw something online yesterday saying that the route handover would be delayed but for the life of me I cannot remember where I saw it.

Nope,but a small reshuffle,at the request of the NTA. :eek:

Phase 1– 45A, 75 (75A), 63 (63A) & 59

The NTA has given Go-Ahead Ireland an indicative date for switchover of services as Sunday 7th October 2018. Go-Ahead Ireland, in conjunction with the NTA, is aiming to have all timetables on their joint digital platforms (websites, twitter etc.) well in advance of implemention .

However, the following is a route by route guide to any changes made to the above routes.

45A /45B

Daytime frequency enhanced to every 20 minutes, and every 30 minutes each evening and Sunday daytimes.

Existing journeys diverting via Shanganagh Cliffs Estate are numbered 45B to distinguish them from the standard route, but apart from this the route is the same as the 45A.

59

Departure times between Dun Laoghaire and Dalkey and vice versa have been coordinated with service 111 where possible to offer more evenly spaced departures along these roads.

The route stays the same and there are no route variations.

63 (63A)

Weekday daytime frequency remains every 30 minutes with first and last bus times broadly similar but enhanced to every 30 minutes each evening and Sunday daytimes. Please note, the start and end point on all routes – including 63 & 63A – are the same. The A route journeys via Foxrock as outlined on the timetable.

75 (75A)

Existing journeys via Sandyford Business Park will remain and be augmented at peak periods. These enhance the number of peak journeys between Dundrum and Tallaght.

The route is changed in Dundrum to now serve Main Street, Taney Road and Sydenham Road to allow for better travel opportunities with connections on to the Luas green line.

The timetable has been coordinated with the route 175 between Dundrum and Tallaght to offer more evenly spread departures throughout the day.

First and last journey times are similar and additional Sunday morning and evening journeys will be introduced.

Please note, journeys via Sandyford Business Park are numbered 75A as outlined on the timetable.

Phase 2 – 111, 184 & 185

These services launch on Sunday, 21st October 2018.

111

On Mondays to Saturdays there are earlier trips from Dun Laoghaire towards Brides Glen to allow for better connections to the Luas green line.

A brand new Sunday service is being introduced to offer an hourly frequency, with the first journey from Brides Glen leaving at 09:33 and the final journey leaving at 23:33.

Departure times between Dun Laoghaire and Dalkey and vice versa have been coordinated with service 59 where possible to offer more evenly spaced departures along these roads.

The route stays the same and there are no route variations.

184

The timetable has been designed to connect with revised DART services at Greystones to and from Newtownmountkennedy.

The first and last journeys are broadly similar but the Mondays to Fridays evening frequency increases to every 30 minutes. On Saturdays and Sundays, there will be many extra journeys operating every 30 minutes, compared to current service provision of every hour on Saturdays and 2 hours on Sundays.

185

Significant improvements have been made to make the timetable easier to understand.

Each day, there will be departures every 30 minutes from Bray DART station to Palermo Estate, with one of these continuing every hour to Powerscourt via Enniskerry.

First and last journey times are similar to the current service except there earlier journeys on Sunday mornings.

Phase 3 – 17A, 102, 33A, 220, 33B & 104

The NTA has given Go-Ahead Ireland an indicative date for switchover of services as Sunday 2nd November 2018.

All information in relation to timetables – and any alterations to routes – will be communicated in due course.

Phase 4 – 18, 76, 239, 270, 238, 76A,236, 17, 114 & 161

The NTA has given Go-Ahead Ireland an indicative date for switchover of services as Sunday 20th January 2019.

All information in relation to timetables – and any alterations to routes – will be communicated in due course.

All media queries and requests for statements/interviews to Nikki Gordon on Nicola.Gordon@goaheadireland.ie & 086 7757502/087 7985759

punisher5112

On their Twitter they mention route 45 no a or b after it

RebelButtMunch

punisher5112 wrote: »

On their Twitter they mention route 45 no a or b after it

They fixed that

Stephen15

Qrt wrote: »

I think Go-Ahead publishing the timetables is a tragedy. We should be directing everyone towards the TFI Journey Planner. If they release their own app I'll deem this whole handover an utter f***-up!

Didn't realise it but Go-Ahead London's website also lists their routes and timetables so it's not exclusive to Dublin.

https://www.goaheadlondon.com/routes

devnull

Qrt wrote: »

Stevek101 wrote: »

Timetables up for the next set of routes.


https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/



45a Timetable Commences 7th of October
59 Timetable Commences 7th of October
63 Timetable Commences 7th of October
75 Timetable Commences 7th of October

I think Go-Ahead publishing the timetables is a tragedy. We should be directing everyone towards the TFI Journey Planner. If they release their own app I'll deem this whole handover an utter f***-up!

For there to be a central site it needs all operators to agree to it and play ball.

GoAhead will not be making their own app and will be using the transport for Ireland journey planner.

Lord Glentoran

Stevek101 wrote: »

Timetables up for the next set of routes.


https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/



45a Timetable Commences 7th of October
59 Timetable Commences 7th of October
63 Timetable Commences 7th of October
75 Timetable Commences 7th of October

I see they still have that mad ‘Parliamentary’ style one bus a day connection to Foxrock Village.

The campaign to reroute the Luas starts here!

stop

Still describing the 185 as to Powerscourt, thought this would be the time to fix this.

Stephen15

Go Ahead FB page says that the rebranded stop poles are temporary and will be replaced by the new design which can be seen in places along the 175 bus route.

jahalpin

I’m not sure that the current round of privatization actually goes far enough, Dublin Bus/NBRU have proven time and again that they they are not fit for purpose with excessive levels of delays and cancellations on most routes , even ignoring the delays caused by GAA fans just blocking the roads every time a match is played in Croke Park

end of the road

that go ahead have a union as will any company who would win any further routes if tendered outs?

jahalpin wrote: »

I’m not sure that the current round of privatization actually goes far enough, Dublin Bus/NBRU have proven time and again that they they are not fit for purpose with excessive levels of delays and cancellations on most routes , even ignoring the delays caused by GAA fans just blocking the roads every time a match is played in Croke Park

so, the NBRU are the cause of all the delays and cancellations. not high levels of traffic, not less bus priority measures then actually needed, boarding dwell times, etc which cause delays. not busses having issues or being delaid sufficiently by traffic that they have to run short to get back on schedule so to not delay further. privatization/tendering will of course solve all of these problems?

StreetLight

jahalpin wrote: »

I’m not sure that the current round of privatization actually goes far enough, Dublin Bus/NBRU have proven time and again that they they are not fit for purpose with excessive levels of delays and cancellations on most routes , even ignoring the delays caused by GAA fans just blocking the roads every time a match is played in Croke Park

What current round of privatisation would that be?

Private buses are so great that they can just plough through crowds on the road and anything else that stands in their way?

Qrt

StreetLight wrote: »

What current round of privatisation would that be?

Private buses are so great that they can just plough through crowds on the road and anything else that stands in their way?

Private companies and their buses aren't subjected to the limits of physics that Marxist unions force upon the market.