Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

The new route doesn't accept db staff travel.

So it has started already where staff can't travel unless they pay.

Before anyone says this is right, db staff were given info stating they would be able to travel on all routes including those taken over from db.

And dublin bus allow go ahead drivers free travel i presume (not).

punisher5112

soundman45 wrote: »

And dublin bus allow go ahead drivers free travel i presume (not).

Ok

end of the road

soundman45 wrote: »

And dublin bus allow go ahead drivers free travel i presume (not).

it's not relevant as dublin bus drivers were told their travel would be excepted on services that were once with the company and which are no longer, and it seems this hasn't been stuck to.

if there has been an agreement that dublin bus will except any staff discounted or other travel benefit from another company, then they do except them and their travel, and like go ahead excepting dublin bus drivers staff travel, it must be enforced.

amcalester

end of the road wrote: »

it's not relevant as dublin bus drivers were told their travel would be excepted on services that were once with the company and which are no longer, and it seems this hasn't been stuck to.

if there has been an agreement that dublin bus will except any staff discounted or other travel benefit from another company, then they do except them and their travel, and like go ahead excepting dublin bus drivers staff travel, it must be enforced.

Who told them and was there ever such an agreement in place?

It seems strange that competing companies would be expected to honour competitors internal agreements. DO GA offer free travel to their own employees?

I'm assuming free staff travel is a DB initiative and not an NTA one.

loyatemu

end of the road wrote: »

it's not relevant as dublin bus drivers were told their travel would be excepted on services that were once with the company and which are no longer

but that's not the case with 175 - it's a new route.

LuckyLloyd

Take a step back here for two seconds. Surely it's in everyone's interests for DB drivers to be extended the privilege of free travel on GA routes and vice versa. I know some are blinded by ideology and want to strike blows for the wonders of the free market at every opportunity, but surely it would be a common sense low impact decision to help foster a slight bit of good will. No?

howiya

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Take a step back here for two seconds. Surely it's in everyone's interests for DB drivers to be extended the privilege of free travel on GA routes and vice versa. I know some are blinded by ideology and want to strike blows for the wonders of the free market at every opportunity, but surely it would be a common sense low impact decision to help foster a slight bit of good will. No?

Can't see a problem with it once it's reciprocated between the two companies. Doesn't even cost GA anything as fare revenue belongs to the NTA

sharper

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Take a step back here for two seconds. Surely it's in everyone's interests for DB drivers to be extended the privilege of free travel on GA routes and vice versa. I know some are blinded by ideology and want to strike blows for the wonders of the free market at every opportunity, but surely it would be a common sense low impact decision to help foster a slight bit of good will. No?

I don't have a problem with it but the last I want to hear about is threats of industrial action over it.

Dub13

Dub13 wrote: »

If you have a kid going to school on a bus driven by a lad just off a night shift driving a taxi to make ends meet you will start to care soon enough.

If he can't make ends meet, maybe he should reduce his spending?

Or, put in a bit of effort and upskill. There are double digit pay increases out there for anyone that wants them.

end of the road

sharper wrote: »

I don't have a problem with it but the last I want to hear about is threats of industrial action over it.

why would there be threats of industrial action over it. unless there is an actual agreement in place and it's not being enforced then industrial action won't make any difference.

salonfire wrote: »

If he can't make ends meet, maybe he should reduce his spending?

Or, put in a bit of effort and upskill. There are double digit pay increases out there for anyone that wants them.

he has reduced his spending to the absolute minimum and it still doesn't work, he can't afford to pay the bills without doing a couple of jobs.
upskilling isn't always viable either financially or other.

Dub13

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Take a step back here for two seconds. Surely it's in everyone's interests for DB drivers to be extended the privilege of free travel on GA routes and vice versa. I know some are blinded by ideology and want to strike blows for the wonders of the free market at every opportunity, but surely it would be a common sense low impact decision to help foster a slight bit of good will. No?

Should be like London with all transport work's getting free transport on the full network regardless of who they work for. Be a nice perk to working very unsocial hours.

Bray Head

What % of DB drivers use DB to get to work?

punisher5112

Bray Head wrote: »

What % of DB drivers use DB to get to work?

Who cares, they have to use it as part of many duties.

I know people working in offices on €70-€80k and they are given it for free not even under the tax free ones.

Management in cie, clerical staff get even more perks as they can travel on all.

Stephen15

Tfl staff are entitled to travel on all modes regardless of what bus operator they drive for. Bus staff are entitled to travel for free on buses, tube, tram and overground likewise tube staff are entilted to travel on buses for free. Should be the same here.

Stephen15

Bray Head wrote: »

What % of DB drivers use DB to get to work?

I would say many do. I see plenty of DB staff taking buses. How does the CIE pass work is scanned like a leap card or do you just show it to the driver. Most bus drivers seem to know each other so there's no need to scan it.

sharper

Dub13 wrote: »

Be a nice perk to working very unsocial hours.

If the transport network ran on unsocial hours it would be.

ax586

Stephen15 wrote: »

Tfl staff are entitled to travel on all modes regardless of what bus operator they drive for. Bus staff are entitled to travel for free on buses, tube, tram and overground likewise tube staff are entilted to travel on buses for free. Should be the same here.

Go-ahead staff can only travel on Go-ahead vehicles...Dublin bus staff can can travel on GO-ahead bus once they have there travel pass

devnull

ax586 wrote: »

Stephen15 wrote: »

Tfl staff are entitled to travel on all modes regardless of what bus operator they drive for. Bus staff are entitled to travel for free on buses, tube, tram and overground likewise tube staff are entilted to travel on buses for free. Should be the same here.

Go-ahead staff can only travel on Go-ahead vehicles...Dublin bus staff can can travel on GO-ahead bus once they have there travel pass

Well if GoAhead staff can't travel on Dublin Bus then that is wrong. All staff should travel on each others service or none at all if you ask me.

ax586

devnull wrote: »

Well if GoAhead staff can't travel on Dublin Bus then that is wrong. All staff should travel on each others service or none at all if you ask me.

It was in the contract when go-ahead took over

AlekSmart

ax586 wrote: »

It was in the contract when go-ahead took over

Can you direct us to this Contract please ?...a link or even a screenshot ?

ax586

AlekSmart wrote: »

Can you direct us to this Contract please ?...a link or even a screenshot ?

Sorry Alex
I was training to day for go-ahead and was told this today

punisher5112

Well then staff at go ahead don't know what the craic is.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

The staff of Dublin bus have an agreement for free travel on the 10% routes but I can't remember if the 175 was in there for free travel or not


But as an agreement was made, Dublin bus staff are entitled to hold free travel on the likes of the 18 etc once they transfer over.

But I agree that if they want to do it right then it should be TFI free transport for all everywhere

Dub13

You have Dublin bus drivers parking there car in phibsboro and walking to start work in the city and back again on there break and then walking back to phibsboro when finished work. All the time a tram line is in full operation beside them. Its crazy as its a 15/20 min walk or a 5 min tram trip so from the NTA point of view should be more productive.

The same issue is happening in cunningham road garage with staff getting into and out of the city when starting and finishing work.

Its a silly setup and common sense should prevail here and all transport works should be free on transport in the city. There are 1,000s of transport workers in the city and free staff travel is one of the few benefits or perks they get for working 364 days a year and near 24/7. In London with its many different transport operators when you start working for any of the companies you get Free travel for you and a nominated partner/family member on the TfL network. I can not understand why its not the same here, it would not cost anything and would make it more attractive to work in all the companies.

dublinman1990

New press release is up on GAI's website about the rollout of their next phases in their Autumn/Winter schedules.

They called the 175 release "Phase 0". Whatever that means.

They will have Phase 1 & 2 commencing on the 7th & 21st of October.

They will have Phase 3 on the 2nd of December.

Phase 4 will remain unchanged on the 20th of January 2019.

Phase 0 - Route 175 – operational since 9th September 2018

Phase 1 - Routes 45A, 75, 63 & 59 – 7th October 2018

Phase 2 - Routes 111, 184 & 185 – 21st October 2018

Phase 3 - Routes 17A, 33A, 33B, 102, 104 & 220 – 2nd December 2018

Phase 4 - Routes 17, 18, 76, 76A, 114, 161, 236, 238, 239 & 270 – 20th January 2019

https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/newsroom-2/go-ahead-gears-autumn-schedules/

Stephen15

My guess would be phase 3 and 4 would be divided over the course of a few weeks don't think they'll be all done at
once. Phase 1 and 2 were meant to be all done at once.

Dravokivich

Bray Head wrote: »

What % of DB drivers use DB to get to work?

It'll depend on their shifts. My da either drives, cycles or use the bus depending on the shift he's doing. Because they vary so much and their isn't a proper gradual step up / step down (Tuesday he was finishing the last run on his route, Wednesday was a relief day, Thursday he was up at 5am to do one of the first runs of his route) he drive more than the others.

He has the option to be marked in, but he doesn't take it because he knows someone else is going to lumped with those messed up patterns so doesn't see the point.

Stephen15

What about those staff shuttle buses that run in the wee hours especially for drivers to get to work. I wonder will GAI run any of them?

Dravokivich

The ghost bus seemed nothing more than novelty when my Da started with Dublin Bus. But it quickly wore off whenever there was a significant gap between it, his shift start, and any preceding services.

ax586

Stephen15 wrote: »

What about those staff shuttle buses that run in the wee hours especially for drivers to get to work. I wonder will GAI run any of them?

They do