Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

dublinman1990

The 114 has some changes in it's new T/T from GAI for Blackrock on Sundays & BH Mondays/Public Holidays.

Buses on this route now leave Blackrock 55 minutes past the hour on an hourly basis for those days.

The 1st 114 leaves the DART Station at 12:55 instead of 12:50 on an hourly basis all the way down to the last bus which leaves Blackrock at 21:55.

I must ask what was the reason for GAI to place the 114 leaving Blackrock 5 minutes later than usual for every bus on those days?

dublinman1990

dublinman1990 wrote: »

The 114 has some changes in it's new T/T from GAI for Blackrock on Sundays & BH Mondays/Public Holidays.

Buses on this route now leave Blackrock 55 minutes past the hour on an hourly basis for those days.

The 1st 114 leaves the DART Station at 12:55 instead of 12:50 on an hourly basis all the way down to the last bus which leaves Blackrock at 21:55.

I must ask what was the reason for GAI to place the 114 leaving Blackrock 5 minutes later than usual for every bus on those days?

Reduced running time from Blackrock shortened by leaving Blackrock later and arriving at Rockview terminus earlier, as buses had too much running time resulting in drivers having to stop at points along the route to "hold" their time

punisher5112

Make sense in the evening if it were timed with dart arrival and say 3 or 5 minutes then leave.

Maybe it is but if not it definitely should.

dublinman1990

GAI had one of their ex-London driver trainers out on part of the 18 route in Sandymount today. It was seen on RTÉ News Six-One this evening on the report on the new cycle lanes being halted in Sandymount until the new year. It is navy blue on the front & red livery from the middle up to the back of the bus. It looks very well.

punisher5112

dublinman1990 wrote: »

GAI had one of their ex-London driver trainers out on part of the 18 route in Sandymount today. It was seen on RTÉ News Six-One this evening on the report on the new cycle lanes being halted in Sandymount until the new year. It is navy blue on the front & red livery from the middle up to the back of the bus. It looks very well.

The Dublin mayor, cycled out of mansion House and hit the luas track and fell, she cycled into the track... It made news because she was so upset a bus driver beeped at her.... What an absolute numpty she is.

devnull

punisher5112 wrote: »

The Dublin mayor, cycled out of mansion House and hit the luas track and fell, she cycled into the track... It made news because she was so upset a bus driver beeped at her.... What an absolute numpty she is.

However interesting topic of discussion that might be to you and others, it's off topic for this thread. Back to the subject at hand please.

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GT89

Saw this the other day. Apparently GAI have no anti social behaviour protocol and they will not pull buses out of areas if incidents occur. This is real risk to driver and passenger safety if that's true. Dublin Bus have a protocol agreed with the unions in place to deal with incidents in particular trouble spots so why not GAI?

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/bus-drivers-admit-fear-lives-19311962

BonnieSituation

Where is this antisocial behaviour happening on the 18? Ballyfermot Road? Bizarre.

And on the 76? Neilstown and Ballyfermot Road?

GT89

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Where is this antisocial behaviour happening on the 18? Ballyfermot Road? Bizarre.

And on the 76? Neilstown and Ballyfermot Road?

I think the report was just giving examples of routes the company operate.

BonnieSituation

GT89 wrote: »

I think the report was just giving examples of routes the company operate.

You'd think they'd have stated examples of antisocial behaviour.

So as with everything on Dublin Live, it's a nonsense piece that just seeks to tar West Dublin with the antisocial brush.

I do accept that if there's no protocol in place that that us concerning, but that article is crap.

devnull

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You'd think they'd have stated examples of antisocial behaviour.

So as with everything on Dublin Live, it's a nonsense piece that just seeks to tar West Dublin with the antisocial brush.

I do accept that if there's no protocol in place that that us concerning, but that article is crap.

Agree, it's a bit strange there are no examples of anti-social behaviour mentioned on GAI services. It's almost like they've heard of anti-social behaviour happening on some DB routes in the past and are using it in order to get a policy put in place in case it does happen in the future

Does anyone know much about the Revolutionary Workers Union? This is the first time that I have heard their name mentioned. I notice they describe themselves as a fighting union whose aim is to bring about an All Ireland Socialist Republic. Is Go-Ahead their first foray into transport?

john boye

I've seen GAI tweeting about diversions due to antisocial carry on.

GT89

john boye wrote: »

I've seen GAI tweeting about diversions due to antisocial carry on.

I have seen that but it seems to be on a more spontaneous basis than DB and routes seem to be fairly random. I have seen routes mention on that would not be typically assoicated with anti social behaviour so it would more suggest thing like disruptive behaviour etc.

Where as with DB on the other hand it's the same routes and areas generally parts of West Tallaght, Ballyfermot, Clondalkin and Finglas. When DB operated the 76 it was regularly diverted away from Neilstown Road but I have never seen GAI report on the 76 being diverted away from Neilstown Road.

I highly doubt the anti social behaviour on the 76 has disappeared since GAI started operating it as in that time I have seen the 40 being diverted due to anti social behaviour from there which serves the same route as the 76.

DB have a protocol in place for particular trouble spots agreed with unions which I believe means on a first incident the route is diverted for an hour and second incident out for the rest of the night. I think this is what they want for GAI also.

Citrus_8

I don't like the idea to divert routes due to antisocial behaviour. I think Gardai should be more responsive and deal with it rather than cutting the services for a few hours and putting in risk people who have to go home and walk longer distances due to diverted routes. Not a good practise and clearly it isn't working as it still doesn't prevent these things from happening again.

end of the road

the problem is by not cutting the services or diverting them, staff and passengers who are on board, or who would be on board, those services would be at risk and that cannot be allowed.
the gardai absolutely need to do their bit but it does come down to a question of how many more would be at risk by not diverting verses how many might be at risk by having to walk a bit longer to get home.
the policy won't stop such behaviour from happening again but it's not actually there to do that anyway, that's for the courts to try and do that, the policy is there to protect staff, passengers and assets.
extremely unfair for those caught up in it but it's down to those acting up that this has to happen.

Citrus_8

end of the road wrote: »

the problem is by not cutting the services or diverting them, staff and passengers who are on board, or who would be on board, those services would be at risk and that cannot be allowed.
the gardai absolutely need to do their bit but it does come down to a question of how many more would be at risk by not diverting verses how many might be at risk by having to walk a bit longer to get home.
the policy won't stop such behaviour from happening again but it's not actually there to do that anyway, that's for the courts to try and do that, the policy is there to protect staff, passengers and assets.
extremely unfair for those caught up in it but it's down to those acting up that this has to happen.

Thanks for explaining from a different perspective.


It's a bit funny that DB is protecting their customers, staff and assets more than Gardai. Lack of funding, training and motivation is what I can see. It's pity to see that...

GT89

Citrus_8 wrote: »

I don't like the idea to divert routes due to antisocial behaviour. I think Gardai should be more responsive and deal with it rather than cutting the services for a few hours and putting in risk people who have to go home and walk longer distances due to diverted routes. Not a good practise and clearly it isn't working as it still doesn't prevent these things from happening again.

If the Gardai did their job in the first place there'd be far less of these issues prevention is better than cure.

GT89

GT89 wrote: »

Saw this the other day. Apparently GAI have no anti social behaviour protocol and they will not pull buses out of areas if incidents occur. This is real risk to driver and passenger safety if that's true. Dublin Bus have a protocol agreed with the unions in place to deal with incidents in particular trouble spots so why not GAI?

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/bus-drivers-admit-fear-lives-19311962

Another example of the superior service the private sector provides. Users of the bus route have a higher chance of getting home than with Dublin Bus who could pull out at the sign of trouble.

GT89

salonfire wrote: »

Another example of the superior service the private sector provides. Users of the bus route have a higher chance of getting home than with Dublin Bus who could pull out at the sign of trouble.

So passengers and drivers safety should be put at risk because of scrotes pelting rocks at buses and they only pull out after an incident not at the first sign

.anon.

salonfire wrote: »

Another example of the superior service the private sector provides. Users of the bus route have a higher chance of getting home than with Dublin Bus who could pull out at the sign of trouble.

Superior until someone gets hurt or worse.

end of the road

salonfire wrote: »

Another example of the superior service the private sector provides. Users of the bus route have a higher chance of getting home than with Dublin Bus who could pull out at the sign of trouble.

just as well dublin bus don't pull their services at the first sight of trouble then, isn't it.
they pull them when there is actual trouble, you know, to insure their vehicles, or the vehicles they operate don't get smashed up along with passengers and staff.
so no, the fact the private operator probably haven't had an incident requiring them to pull their services, is not an example of anything bar perhapse the areas where those services run through, are less likely to experience such incidents.
but yes, private good cause private and public bad cause public nonsense from you as usual.

StreetLight

salonfire wrote: »

Another example of the superior service the private sector provides. Users of the bus route have a higher chance of getting home than with Dublin Bus who could pull out at the sign of trouble.

Let's say you work in an office and I smash the window beside you while you're working. Do you call the Gardaí, or a private security firm?

.anon.

devnull wrote: »

Does anyone know much about the Revolutionary Workers Union? This is the first time that I have heard their name mentioned. I notice they describe themselves as a fighting union whose aim is to bring about an All Ireland Socialist Republic. Is Go-Ahead their first foray into transport?

They've been around for a couple of years (or at least their Facebook page has). I thought that's all they were until they apparently turned up in Ballymount on Friday night and did this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RevWorkersUnion/status/1330189918262489090

When the company refuses to engage with a respected union like the NBRU on issues like this, it's inevitable that more militant drivers will look elsewhere for support.

punisher5112

I've had issues where windows were put in etc and we continued to serve, many times over the years.

AlekSmart

Is that The Red Hand of Ulster I see in that clip ?

AlekSmart

GT89 wrote: »

Saw this the other day. Apparently GAI have no anti social behaviour protocol and they will not pull buses out of areas if incidents occur. This is real risk to driver and passenger safety if that's true. Dublin Bus have a protocol agreed with the unions in place to deal with incidents in particular trouble spots so why not GAI?

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/bus-drivers-admit-fear-lives-19311962

Its worth noting that the Protocol also involves the local Gardaí as an integral part of a broader approach.

BonnieSituation

AlekSmart wrote: »

Is that The Red Hand of Ulster I see in that clip ?

The red hand has long been appropriated by the Irish trade Union movement since it was used during the lockout.

Sure, Siptu's logo is a stylised red-hand.

https://www.siptu.ie/aboutsiptu/ourlogo/#:~:text=The%20Red%20Hand%20Badge%3A%20Commemorating,historian%2C%20Francis%20Devine%2C%20explains.

dublinman1990

Real Time Ireland android app is saying that the 17 leaving Blackrock Station at 2pm has it's trip cancelled.

GT89

I see that a Go-Ahead Streetlite ended up in the bushes in Tallaght Square last night. Looks like the driver probably left the handbrake off.
https://twitter.com/TheEchoOnline/status/1351996460779372549?s=19

Losty Dublin

GT89 wrote: »

I see that a Go-Ahead Streetlite ended up in the bushes in Tallaght Square last night. Looks like the driver probably left the handbrake off.
https://twitter.com/TheEchoOnline/status/1351996460779372549?s=19

No driver on board but there has been anecdotal issues with this model of bus. Watch this space, as the saying goes.