Why is august the start of autumn in Ireland and not the rest of Europe.

Mutant z

Does anyone find it odd why in Ireland august is the start of autumn while in the UK, and elsewhere in Europe it is still summer, in Ireland the different seasons start a month earlier than everywhere else, why is that.

murpho999

It's this silly idea that we should stick to pagan seasons.

Today is climatically not Autumn, it's still Summer and will be until mid September.

Met Eireann also have summer as June, July August.

A lot of it stems from people's belief that February 1st is the first day of Spring.

Imallrightjack

Theres only one season in Ireland.the ****ing rainy season.

GLaDOS

The Celtic calendar was based around hours of sunlight, as opposed to the actual weather. Summer solstice is in June, so June is the middle of summer.

Ubbquittious

The EU pen pushers have swooped in and taken so much of our individuality and our culture and now we can't even have our own fecking summers anymore?

I think this is the last straw. If they try to force us to harmonise our summers we should vote to have an Ixit. I already have beef with them over the foreign sunny weather they have been sending our direction.

Mutant z

Yes even at school the teachers used to say spring begins in February, summer begins in may, autumn begins in August, and winter begins in november, while in the UK all those months are in winter, spring, summer and autumn respectively, those are the seasons those months should be in, and yet in this country they are in the wrong seasons, it needs to be changed so every month is in the correct season.

murpho999

Ubbquittious wrote: »

The EU pen pushers have swooped in and taken so much of our individuality and our culture and now we can't even have our own fecking summers anymore?

I think this is the last straw. If they try to force us to harmonise our summers we should vote to have an Ixit. I already have beef with them over the foreign sunny weather they have been sending our direction.

It is nothing to do with the EU.

It's science.

recyclebin

Not this thread again!!! Been done to death at this stage. It must be the silly season all year round.

LirW

Because Ireland doesn't really have summers, come on. A bit of sunshine between all the pis5es doesn't count.

Victor

murpho999 wrote: »

It's this silly idea that we should stick to pagan seasons.

Seasons are a social construct as much as a meteorological one. Some places have as many as 7 seasons.

Today is climatically not Autumn

I saw dead leaves on the footpath.

Met Eireann also have summer as June, July August.

As do many meteorological agencies - easier to record as equinoxes and solstices can fall on different days each year.

Mutant z wrote: »

Yes even at school the teachers used to say spring begins in February, summer begins in may, autumn begins in August, and winter begins in november, while in the UK all those months are in winter, spring, summer and autumn respectively, those are the seasons those months should be in, and yet in this country they are in the wrong seasons, it needs to be changed so every month is in the correct season.

Actually, in Britain, May Day was the start of summer.

Ubbquittious wrote: »

The EU pen pushers

You do realise that every EU is done by consensus - these are things we have agreed to, not forced upon us.

me_irl

Imallrightjack wrote: »

Theres only one season in Ireland.the ****ing rainy season.

What about Duck and Rabbit seasons?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Ubbquittious wrote: »

The EU pen pushers have swooped in and taken so much of our individuality and our culture and now we can't even have our own fecking summers anymore?

I think this is the last straw. If they try to force us to harmonise our summers we should vote to have an Ixit. I already have beef with them over the foreign sunny weather they have been sending our direction.

Nobody is dictating when anybody considers any season to begin or end.

This nonsense comes up every February, May, August, and November.

Meteorology it is still Summer. Old traditions say otherwise. It's hardly earth shattering or impacting on any of our lives which ever we choose to go by.

Day Lewin

August is often the hottest month of the year, ergo, summer, no possible argument.

Mutant z

Victor wrote: »

AQctually, in Britain, May Day was the start of summer.

May is spring in the UK, summer doesnt start there until early to mid june, but most certainly isn't in may like it is over here.

RobertKK

Taliyah Purring Turtleneck wrote: »

Nobody is dictating when anybody considers any season to begin or end.

This nonsense comes up every February, May, August, and November.

Meteorology it is still Summer. Old traditions say otherwise. It's hardly earth shattering or impacting on any of our lives which ever we choose to go by.

Everyone who thinks August is the start of Autumn should read the above post.

August is one of the top 3 warmest months and therefore Met Eireann classify August as being in summer, just as May is in Spring, February is in Winter and November is the last month of Autumn.

Ubbquittious

Victor wrote: »

You do realise that every EU is done by consensus - these are things we have agreed to, not forced upon us.

Since the Lisbon treaty they can more easily force things on us. Anyway they all meet in secret in an underground dungeon place with torches on the wall and decide which unpopular measures they support but would never publicly own up to supporting they're going to bring in this year.

WesternZulu

In terms of daylight hours it actually makes sense to view the seasons in Ireland as being Feb/Mar/Apr for Spring, May/June/July for Summer, Aug/Sept/Oct as Autumn and Nov/Dec/Jan as Winter.

Mutant z

RobertKK wrote: »

Everyone who thinks August is the start of Autumn should read the above post.

August is one of the top 3 warmest months and therefore Met Eireann classify August as being in summer, just as May is in Spring, February is in Winter and November is the last month of Autumn.

The average temperatures of those months should concur with that, those are the correct seasons for those months, Met Eireann judge it on a scientific basis and not on a certain calender.

knickerbocker

Seasons are as follows:
Spring- March 21st to June 20th
Summer- June 21st to September 20th
Autumn- September 21st to December 20th
Winter - December 21st to March 20th.

Equinox and solstice.

murpho999

Victor wrote: »

Seasons are a social construct as much as a meteorological one. Some places have as many as 7 seasons.

Care to name these imaginary seasons?

I saw dead leaves on the footpath.

Most likely the wind blew them down and leaves die then.

Actually, in Britain, May Day was the start of summer.

This is totally not true.

UK met office use the Equinoxes and solstices as season change dates So Summer started on June 21 and ends on September 20/21. Link Here

Irish Meteorological Services has rounded it down to June July and August as summer as shown below, which is an excerpt from website page about seasons.

Seasons

The change from winter to spring or from summer to autumn is gradual and the general trend is subject to reversals which may last for a week or more. For Climatological purposes, on the basis of air temperature, seasons are regarded as three - month periods as follows: December to February - winter, March to May - spring, June to August - summer and September to November - autumn. This is a common grouping in the meteorological practice of many countries in the middle and northern latitudes.

murpho999

WesternZulu wrote: »

In terms of daylight hours it actually makes sense to view the seasons in Ireland as being Feb/Mar/Apr for Spring, May/June/July for Summer, Aug/Sept/Oct as Autumn and Nov/Dec/Jan as Winter.

Seasons are not determined by daylight hours.

511

knickerbocker wrote: »

Seasons are as follows:
Spring- March 21st to June 20th
Summer- June 21st to September 20th
Autumn- September 21st to December 20th
Winter - December 21st to March 20th.

Equinox and solstice.

Wrong. Those are astronomical seasons.

Meteorological season are correct: https://www.met.ie/education/pdfs_eng/YP%20Fun%20Facts%20Seasons.pdf

riffmongous

What I wrote last time

Originally Posted by riffmongous View Post
For me it's the trends of both light, temperature and phenology that make August autumn and February Spring. Autumn is the 2nd warmest month alright, but it's the fact that it's starting to get cooler again, combined with the noticeable decrease in light and how the plants are changing from growth to filling and fruiting, it creates a different feeling to the previous months, the opposite case for February

September is on average much warmer than may, but it's still on a negative trend. Temps decrease from a max in July to a min in January, lagging behind the decreasing insolation, this is reflected by the plants and all together the trends make the seasons for me. It depends what the season means for you I gues

murpho999

riffmongous wrote: »

What I wrote last time

Originally Posted by riffmongous View Post
For me it's the trends of both light, temperature and phenology that make August autumn and February Spring. Autumn is the 2nd warmest month alright, but it's the fact that it's starting to get cooler again, combined with the noticeable decrease in light and how the plants are changing from growth to filling and fruiting, it creates a different feeling to the previous months, the opposite case for February

September is on average much warmer than may, but it's still on a negative trend. Temps decrease from a max in July to a min in January, lagging behind the decreasing insolation, this is reflected by the plants and all together the trends make the seasons for me. It depends what the season means for you I gues

That's because it's the last month of Summer and changeover to Autumn.

I don't see how you can say that August is starting to get cooler whilst also being the second warmest month.

riffmongous

murpho999 wrote: »

That's because it's the last month of Summer and changeover to Autumn.

I don't see how you can say that August is starting to get cooler whilst also being the second warmest month.

Because it comes after the warmest, if you look at the temperature graph you see August is where the slope changes direction

railer201

Because it is Autumn - had to stick the heat on last night.

Victor

murpho999 wrote: »

Care to name these imaginary seasons?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season

In temperate and subpolar regions, four calendar-based seasons are generally recognized: spring, summer, autumn or fall, and winter. Ecologists often use a six-season model for temperate climate regions: prevernal, vernal, estival, serotinal, autumnal, and hibernal. Many tropical regions have two seasons: the rainy, wet, or monsoon season and the dry season. Some have a third cool, mild, or harmattan season.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Victor wrote: »

I saw dead leaves on the footpath.
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In dry conditions trees drop leaves to reduce water loss. It's quite normal to have dead leaves dropped in high summer.

Arcade_Tryer

Spring - March/April/May

Summer - June/July/August

Autumn - September/October/November

Winter - December/January/February

Ipso

All hail Lugh, the bringer of light. Let's go build a wicker man.

Junkyard Tom

Summer ends when the wee'uns go back to school. The coastal waters of Ireland are at thier warmest in August and September.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Isn't the 21st of Sept technically the last day of Summer?

I find September and early October the most pleasant months weather wise.

nice_guy80

weather patterns have changed
definitely think we should change it
children get quite confused by it in schools

Danzy

It follows growth if you had to live off growing grass you'd see how they follow the Seasons and had them bang on.

Paddy Cow

February feels like Spring to me because that's when the flowers start coming up and the lambs start appearing in the fields. I just can't wrap my head around February being winter, now matter what anyone says. The days are getting longer and it puts me in a good mood after the dark dreary winter.

In other countries they still have snow in February so it's normal for them to see it as winter. I think in Ireland the seasons follow the farming calendar
Spring - plant the harvest
Summer - it grows
Autumn - harvest the crops
Winter - everything looks dead

I will never accept that June is Spring :pac:

Capt'n Midnight

Imallrightjack wrote: »

Theres only one season in Ireland.the ****ing rainy season.

That's not true.



the rain is colder in winter




Seriously we have 5 seasons. The fifth being that little winter we get around the start of March.

Jesus Wept

Autumn my bollox.

Hal1

September is a great month though. The first week at least when the kiddies go back to school. A guaranteed heatwave (Indian summer) that week .

7 Seconds...

I'm the same as you Paddy Cow, the 1st of February will always be the 1st day of Spring to me. I know the weather can still be quiet wintry, but the stretch in the evenings and the lambs hopping about in the fields def gives me the feeling of Spring time.

Esel

I follow the astronomical seasons.

r93kaey5p2izun

I fully accept that the correct scientific/meteorological way is Summer as June July and August etc, and that that's how it's done worldwide, so that's what I use. But I have to admit that in my own head it seems more logical to divide the year based on daylight which is much more predictable and exact.

prinzeugen

Its thanks to business speaking tits.

Once upon a time a product would be available in the spring..

Now it is Q1,2,3 or 4.

A product for release in "Q4" could be any fecking date depending if you go by seasons or office bull****.

Junkyard Tom

Esel wrote: »

I follow the astronomical seasons.

Bit of an ol' chill in the solar winds lately.

Esel

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Bit of an ol' chill in the solar winds lately.

Solar wind chill is not to be sneezed at.

Are Am Eye

Of course we should remember that while it's summer here, the other half of the solar system is in the dephts of winter. And vice versa.

Samaris

Given the seasons seem to be pushing on a bit anyway in terms of what sort of weather "constants" we get during each season, it would seem sensible to push what months we consider in which season on a bit anyway, at least in line with the rest of Europe. On the other hand, given the four seasons don't really mean much outside a Vivaldi concert, it probably doesn't matter a great deal.

topper75

murpho999 wrote: »

It is nothing to do with the EU.

It's science.

Are the combines in the fields not big enough for science?
Are the ripe blackberries in the ditches beyond its visual spectrum?
Is the back-to-school stuff in shops not scientific?

It very much is a BS harmonisation attempt by a creeping meglomaniac outfit who used to be a help but of late have been an ever increasing hindrance. We are very much moving into the Irish autumn. I live in Ireland ergo I don't care what way other countries want to do their calendar. I certainly feel no obligation to look over my shoulder to copy them and cast out millenia of my own people's tradition.

LordSutch

Mutant z wrote: »

Why is august the start of autumn in Ireland and not the rest of Europe..

Not sure that its officially the start of Autumn (although it feels like it), but I am always fascinated the way Summer kicks off in August across the water, while our summer is gently coming to a close! The weather certainly feels autumnal today...

seachto7

Winter winter winter

blueser

If you go on the basis that all four seasons are, in theory, the same length (91 days), and that June 21st is midsummer's day (as it is widely known), that would imply that "summer" would have started 45 days before (May 8th). Therefore....
Summer begins May 8th
Autumn begins August 7th
Winter begins November 7th
Spring begins February 6th

Probably a major oversimplification on my part, but that's my take on it. However; For me, august has always been classed as summer (though looking out the window at the moment would convince you otherwise).


For me;
Spring = March to May
"Summer" (!) = June to August
Autumn = September to November
Winter = December to February

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

topper75 wrote: »

Are the combines in the fields not big enough for science?
Are the ripe blackberries in the ditches beyond its visual spectrum?
Is the back-to-school stuff in shops not scientific?

It very much is a BS harmonisation attempt by a creeping meglomaniac outfit who used to be a help but of late have been an ever increasing hindrance. We are very much moving into the Irish autumn. I live in Ireland ergo I don't care what way other countries want to do their calendar. I certainly feel no obligation to look over my shoulder to copy them and cast out millenia of my own people's tradition.

Where is anybody asking you to accept a date for a season? Where is this harmonisation attempt you refer to? Do your own thing. You don't care when others consider a season to begin and you can rest assured that they really don't give a damn when you think a season starts either.