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Why is august the start of autumn in Ireland and not the rest of Europe.

Mutant z

Does anyone find it odd why in Ireland august is the start of autumn while in the UK, and elsewhere in Europe it is still summer, in Ireland the different seasons start a month earlier than everywhere else, why is that.

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indioblack

Taliyah Purring Turtleneck wrote: »

Where is anybody asking you to accept a date for a season? Where is this harmonisation attempt you refer to? Do your own thing. You don't care when others consider a season to begin and you can rest assured that they really don't give a damn when you think a season starts either.

I'm still waiting for summer - we've had less sunshine here, [southern England], than Shetland. I know what summer is - and this ain't it!
As a Remainer, I'd happily blame the EU for this unseasonable weather, [we seem to be blaming them for everything else over here], but I don't think that will wash.
Speaking of washing, I want a few good days to hang mine out on the line.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

topper75 wrote: »

Are the combines in the fields not big enough for science?
Are the ripe blackberries in the ditches beyond its visual spectrum?
Is the back-to-school stuff in shops not scientific?

It very much is a BS harmonisation attempt by a creeping meglomaniac outfit who used to be a help but of late have been an ever increasing hindrance. We are very much moving into the Irish autumn. I live in Ireland ergo I don't care what way other countries want to do their calendar. I certainly feel no obligation to look over my shoulder to copy them and cast out millenia of my own people's tradition.

Where is anybody asking you to accept a date for a season? Where is this harmonisation attempt you refer to? Do your own thing. You don't care when others consider a season to begin and you can rest assured that they really don't give a damn when you think a season starts either.

blueser

If you go on the basis that all four seasons are, in theory, the same length (91 days), and that June 21st is midsummer's day (as it is widely known), that would imply that "summer" would have started 45 days before (May 8th). Therefore....
Summer begins May 8th
Autumn begins August 7th
Winter begins November 7th
Spring begins February 6th

Probably a major oversimplification on my part, but that's my take on it. However; For me, august has always been classed as summer (though looking out the window at the moment would convince you otherwise).

For me;
Spring = March to May
"Summer" (!) = June to August
Autumn = September to November
Winter = December to February

seachto7

Winter winter winter

LordSutch

Mutant z wrote: »

Why is august the start of autumn in Ireland and not the rest of Europe..

Not sure that its officially the start of Autumn (although it feels like it), but I am always fascinated the way Summer kicks off in August across the water, while our summer is gently coming to a close! The weather certainly feels autumnal today...

topper75

murpho999 wrote: »

It is nothing to do with the EU.

It's science.

Are the combines in the fields not big enough for science?
Are the ripe blackberries in the ditches beyond its visual spectrum?
Is the back-to-school stuff in shops not scientific?

It very much is a BS harmonisation attempt by a creeping meglomaniac outfit who used to be a help but of late have been an ever increasing hindrance. We are very much moving into the Irish autumn. I live in Ireland ergo I don't care what way other countries want to do their calendar. I certainly feel no obligation to look over my shoulder to copy them and cast out millenia of my own people's tradition.

Samaris

Given the seasons seem to be pushing on a bit anyway in terms of what sort of weather "constants" we get during each season, it would seem sensible to push what months we consider in which season on a bit anyway, at least in line with the rest of Europe. On the other hand, given the four seasons don't really mean much outside a Vivaldi concert, it probably doesn't matter a great deal.

Are Am Eye

Of course we should remember that while it's summer here, the other half of the solar system is in the dephts of winter. And vice versa.

Esel

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Bit of an ol' chill in the solar winds lately.

Solar wind chill is not to be sneezed at.

Junkyard Tom

Esel wrote: »

I follow the astronomical seasons.

Bit of an ol' chill in the solar winds lately.

prinzeugen

Its thanks to business speaking tits.

Once upon a time a product would be available in the spring..

Now it is Q1,2,3 or 4.

A product for release in "Q4" could be any fecking date depending if you go by seasons or office bull****.

r93kaey5p2izun

I fully accept that the correct scientific/meteorological way is Summer as June July and August etc, and that that's how it's done worldwide, so that's what I use. But I have to admit that in my own head it seems more logical to divide the year based on daylight which is much more predictable and exact.

Esel

I follow the astronomical seasons.

7 Seconds...

I'm the same as you Paddy Cow, the 1st of February will always be the 1st day of Spring to me. I know the weather can still be quiet wintry, but the stretch in the evenings and the lambs hopping about in the fields def gives me the feeling of Spring time.

Hal1

September is a great month though. The first week at least when the kiddies go back to school. A guaranteed heatwave (Indian summer) that week

Jesus Wept

Autumn my bollox.

Capt'n Midnight

Imallrightjack wrote: »

Theres only one season in Ireland.the ****ing rainy season.

That's not true.

the rain is colder in winter

Seriously we have 5 seasons. The fifth being that little winter we get around the start of March.

Paddy Cow

February feels like Spring to me because that's when the flowers start coming up and the lambs start appearing in the fields. I just can't wrap my head around February being winter, now matter what anyone says. The days are getting longer and it puts me in a good mood after the dark dreary winter.

In other countries they still have snow in February so it's normal for them to see it as winter. I think in Ireland the seasons follow the farming calendar
Spring - plant the harvest
Summer - it grows
Autumn - harvest the crops
Winter - everything looks dead

I will never accept that June is Spring :pac:

Danzy

It follows growth if you had to live off growing grass you'd see how they follow the Seasons and had them bang on.

nice_guy80

weather patterns have changed
definitely think we should change it
children get quite confused by it in schools

DEFTLEFTHAND

Isn't the 21st of Sept technically the last day of Summer?

I find September and early October the most pleasant months weather wise.

Junkyard Tom

Summer ends when the wee'uns go back to school. The coastal waters of Ireland are at thier warmest in August and September.

Ipso

All hail Lugh, the bringer of light. Let's go build a wicker man.

Arcade_Tryer

Spring - March/April/May

Summer - June/July/August

Autumn - September/October/November

Winter - December/January/February

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Victor wrote: »

I saw dead leaves on the footpath.
.

In dry conditions trees drop leaves to reduce water loss. It's quite normal to have dead leaves dropped in high summer.

Victor

murpho999 wrote: »

Care to name these imaginary seasons?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season

In temperate and subpolar regions, four calendar-based seasons are generally recognized: spring, summer, autumn or fall, and winter. Ecologists often use a six-season model for temperate climate regions: prevernal, vernal, estival, serotinal, autumnal, and hibernal. Many tropical regions have two seasons: the rainy, wet, or monsoon season and the dry season. Some have a third cool, mild, or harmattan season.

railer201

Because it is Autumn - had to stick the heat on last night.

[Deleted User]

murpho999 wrote: »

That's because it's the last month of Summer and changeover to Autumn.

I don't see how you can say that August is starting to get cooler whilst also being the second warmest month.

Because it comes after the warmest, if you look at the temperature graph you see August is where the slope changes direction

murpho999

riffmongous wrote: »

What I wrote last time

Originally Posted by riffmongous View Post
For me it's the trends of both light, temperature and phenology that make August autumn and February Spring. Autumn is the 2nd warmest month alright, but it's the fact that it's starting to get cooler again, combined with the noticeable decrease in light and how the plants are changing from growth to filling and fruiting, it creates a different feeling to the previous months, the opposite case for February

September is on average much warmer than may, but it's still on a negative trend. Temps decrease from a max in July to a min in January, lagging behind the decreasing insolation, this is reflected by the plants and all together the trends make the seasons for me. It depends what the season means for you I gues

That's because it's the last month of Summer and changeover to Autumn.

I don't see how you can say that August is starting to get cooler whilst also being the second warmest month.

[Deleted User]

What I wrote last time

Originally Posted by riffmongous View Post
For me it's the trends of both light, temperature and phenology that make August autumn and February Spring. Autumn is the 2nd warmest month alright, but it's the fact that it's starting to get cooler again, combined with the noticeable decrease in light and how the plants are changing from growth to filling and fruiting, it creates a different feeling to the previous months, the opposite case for February

September is on average much warmer than may, but it's still on a negative trend. Temps decrease from a max in July to a min in January, lagging behind the decreasing insolation, this is reflected by the plants and all together the trends make the seasons for me. It depends what the season means for you I gues