Saudi woman arrested for wearing skirt

Shurimgreat

Joke of a country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/07/18/a-video-of-a-woman-in-a-skirt-sparks-outrage-in-saudi-arabia/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-world%3Ahomepage%2Fcard&utm_term=.c70060b09cae

The sooner the west stops buying oil from and supporting this regime the better. They make stone age men look enlightened.

Are Am Eye

Theyll probably get a dressing down from the UN.

angryIreGamer

answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jczidf5W2q4

Shurimgreat

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Theyll probably get a dressing down from the UN.

Or elected to chair a UN human rights body.

Are Am Eye

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Or elected to chair a UN human rights body.

In which theyll just skirt around the real issues. And get away with it.

LadyMacBeth_

What an aul slut, showing her ankles and shins to the world and knees too, by god, I need to have a sit down.

Irish Guitarist

Earendil

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Joke of a country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/07/18/a-video-of-a-woman-in-a-skirt-sparks-outrage-in-saudi-arabia/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-world%3Ahomepage%2Fcard&utm_term=.c70060b09cae

The sooner the west stops buying oil from and supporting this regime the better. They make stone age men look enlightened.

It's all our fault. We just don't understand their culture. :rolleyes:

Allinall

Are Am Eye wrote: »

In which theyll just skirt around the real issues. And get away with it.

Ahem... there's many a slip....

Wossack

proper order

Shurimgreat

Thank goodness I live in the west.

Armchair Andy

Wossack wrote:

proper order

She's hawt though....

Irish Guitarist

"Although foreigners are usually exempted from such rules and Saudi women often find ways to skirt them, many religiously conservative Saudis feel strongly about them."

Infini

Ahhh Saudi Arabia the cause of all of Islams problems...

P.S If they cant handle their hot women mebbe we could take them off their hands they'd just love it here....

Hande hoche!

The level of hypocrisy, in the Saudi's accusations of terror funding by Qatar, was astonishing.

McCrack

Thems are the rules

ScumLord

Maybe it was just a really ugly skirt and this was the fashion police.

The_Valeyard

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Or elected to chair a UN human rights body.

That's when a lot of people stopped giving two f*cks about the UN.

All My Stars Aligned

I don't agree with the countries laws and so choose not to visit. If I was to I would abide by them. I don't know if it was attention seeking or just ignorance but what did she expect to happen her posting the video online.

endacl

All My Stars Aligned wrote: »

I don't agree with the countries laws and so choose not to visit. If I was to I would abide by them. I don't know if it was attention seeking or just ignorance but what did she expect to happen her posting the video online.

'Sure, what did you expect would happen to you if you went out wearing that? It's your own fault'.

That kinda thinking?

Ulysses Gaze

Once the oil runs out in Saudi, they will be back herding camels without a pot to piss in.

Their fall will be spectacular and I hope I am alive to witness it.

RustyNut

I'm just glad that the freedom loving leader of western democracy has imposed such stringent and punitive sanctions on this oppressive sharia controlled sh1t hole.

Infini

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Once the oil runs out in Saudi, they will be back herding camels without a pot to piss in.

Their fall will be spectacular and I hope I am alive to witness it.

I'll get the popcorn and coke then....

DaniilKharms

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!! Horrible country does something horrible.

Seriously, this is the biggest state sponsor of terror on the planet; why would ANYONE put ANYTHING past these violent dictators?

ygolometsipe

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Once the oil runs out in Saudi, they will be back herding camels without a pot to piss in.

Their fall will be spectacular and I hope I am alive to witness it.

The Fin Times have written about this for a while now. Apparently some countries are desperately trying to prevent global warming measures from being applied because of the amount of money tied up in oil exploration, well finding, reserves etc.

Mark Carney warns investors face ‘huge’ climate change losses
“The exposure of UK investors, including insurance companies, to these shifts is potentially huge,” he told a Lloyd's of London dinner on Tuesday night, explaining 19 per cent of FTSE 100 companies were in the natural resources and extraction industries.
https://www.ft.com/content/622de3da-66e6-11e5-97d0-1456a776a4f5

The same paper recons that renewable are moving so fast it could crash some economies, pensions etc are all tied up in the idea that the world will always need oil and gas.

Bushmanpm

I'm waiting for the day a plane load of drunken Scotsmen land there!

diomed

The consequences for her will be severe, unfortunately.

Capt'n Midnight

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Once the oil runs out in Saudi, they will be back herding camels without a pot to piss in.

Their fall will be spectacular and I hope I am alive to witness it.

Hate to burst your bubble but the Saudi's have been investing for years.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/reuters-america-saudi-arabia-spends-money-to-make-money-in-foreign-investment-drive.html

In China, the Saudi king oversaw the signing of deals worth as much as $65 billion in industries including light manufacturing and electronics, as both sides played up a Saudi role in China's One Belt, One Road strategy to integrate Eurasian economies.

A string of deals in Japan included an undertaking by Toyota Motor Corp to study the possibility of making vehicles in Saudi Arabia.

That was good news for Riyadh's effort to build a modern, industrial economy which it hopes will create millions of jobs and allow it to cope with an era of cheap oil.

City regulator plans rule change to allow Saudi oil giant's $2tn float in London

All My Stars Aligned

endacl wrote: »

'Sure, what did you expect would happen to you if you went out wearing that? It's your own fault'.

That kinda thinking?

Sorry, what??

It's fairly well known Saudis stance on female dress is. So yes, it is her own fault.

Why anyone would wish to either visit or work in a country that totally disregards the human rights of both its citizens and those essentially enslaved there is beyond me.

IMO she's a very stupid attention seeking woman who now ends up receiving attention I'm sure she would rather be without. That said, I do hope she is released quickly. Terrifying predicament to find yourself in.

Ulysses Gaze

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Hate to burst your bubble but the Saudi's have been investing for years.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/reuters-america-saudi-arabia-spends-money-to-make-money-in-foreign-investment-drive.html


City regulator plans rule change to allow Saudi oil giant's $2tn float in London

Of course.

But there are 20,000 members of the Saudi Royal family who will still expect to live like kings when the oil runs out.

And they also have a population of over 20 million that are kept on state subsidised welfare.

They'll burn though that investment money in a generation.

Doltanian

Effectively the oil has run out for the Saudis in terms of wealth and they are running on a $100bn deficit each year now. The Saudi economy is running huge deficits since oil prices corrected themselves back in 2014. Their economy is based on >$100 barrel oil which hopefully we will not see for a while again. They are planning on privatising a small share of Saudi Aramco and are also diversifying massively particularly in more liberal (I use the word liberal here objectively) Jeddah where the new Kingdom Tower is under construction which will surpass the Burj Khalifa in Dubai. I really don't see how this can work considering all kuffar infedels (you and me) are banned from Saudi Arabai unless we are either on business or Islamic Pilgrimage.

Nagnata

Horrible culture probably 1000 years behind our western culture nd values.

RustyNut

Nagnata wrote: »

Horrible culture probably 1000 years behind our western culture nd values.

But the "west" are still willing to give them billions of dollars worth of weapons because "we" like their oil and money, no matter that they are the biggest financier of isis and their like.

Diplomacy needs to learn morals.

Ulysses Gaze

RustyNut wrote: »

But the "west" are still willing to give them billions of dollars worth of weapons because "we" like their oil and money, no matter that they are the biggest financier of isis and their like.

Diplomacy needs to learn morals.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first." - Ronald Reagan

steddyeddy

Hande hoche! wrote: »

The level of hypocrisy, in the Saudi's accusations of terror funding by Qatar, was astonishing.

Saudi Arabia is the type of state IS aim to build.

"Someone breaks a law in another country and is punished according to that law" is just such a bizzarre idea for a performative outrage thread

bear1

While on the one hand this was a bit foolish on the girls behalf considering the **** hole she did it in but I must commend her bravery for going against the idiocy which is Saudi law.
I imagine she will be given lashes for this and just goes to show we don't realise how good we have it in Europe.

Carry

I'm still wondering about the motives of the young woman. She apparently claims that she didn't upload the clip but the one whoever filmed it.

I like to think that she wanted to feel free for once, wanted to be a visible woman not an invisible chadored one. I even like to think that she wanted to make a statement: Look, Saudi women! If I can do it you can do it, too!

But maybe this is wishful thinking.

Apparently she kicked off a discussion on twitter et al. in the Arab world - lots of support and lots of condemnation. Her actions might have consequences personally for her, but it might be a start, kind of a small step that women in that country can liberate themselves eventually, step by step.

Women in the Western world once had to do "outrageous" things, too, to set themselves free. The catholic church and followers are still trying hard to put women in their places. And even here on oh so open-minded boards there are still outcries of "effing feminists and lesbians" whenever the fair men of this lovely island feel threatened by an assertive and opinionated woman.

Probably she will be punished, hopefully she kicked off a certain awareness among Arab women. They are not all meek.

BillyBobBS

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Joke of a country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/07/18/a-video-of-a-woman-in-a-skirt-sparks-outrage-in-saudi-arabia/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-world%3Ahomepage%2Fcard&utm_term=.c70060b09cae

The sooner the west stops buying oil from and supporting this regime the better. They make stone age men look enlightened.

Personally iv'e zero problem with it. It's their country their cultures and customs.

Just don't come to my country and attempt to change our cultures and customs and then call me racist for calling you out on it.

Shurimgreat

Deleted User wrote: »

"Someone breaks a law in another country and is punished according to that law" is just such a bizzarre idea for a performative outrage thread

Its a bit more complicated than how you portray it.
The country has an appalling human rights record, particularly against women and minorities. It also has a dubious link to terrorism. The Bin Ladens for example are a very respected family in Saudi Arabia. It is also carrying out a hideous siege of Yemen. Women are treated in Saudi Arabia as if they are in a prison. The country refuses to move with the times and as another poster said its roughly 1000 years behind most of the world in terms of progress. At this stage its not really a country the west should have any dealings with. That our leaders crawl over their cap in hand looking for oil or weapons deals is increasingly pathetic, and we are funding a regime that does all this. It all stems from our dependence on oil.

TheQuietFella

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Joke of a country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/07/18/a-video-of-a-woman-in-a-skirt-sparks-outrage-in-saudi-arabia/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-world%3Ahomepage%2Fcard&utm_term=.c70060b09cae

The sooner the west stops buying oil from and supporting this regime the better. They make stone age men look enlightened.

Well why then don't you go over there and make your protest!

Shurimgreat

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Personally iv'e zero problem with it. It's their country their cultures and customs.

Just don't come to my country and attempt to change our cultures and customs and then call me racist for calling you out on it.

Its not a culture to admire or applaud. The one good thing about the west is we are free to criticise virtually everything including other people's culture and customs.

What has racism got to do with any of this by the way

Shurimgreat

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Well why then don't you go over there and make your protest!

You think the protest of a joe soap like me will make a difference?

Its our elected politicians who need to make the protest and also it would be useful if the UN made a protest the odd time.

seachto7

Trump has no problem calling the Mexicans "bad dudes". He should be using his soapbox to have a pop at the Saudis. But he won't...

Tabnabs

Oh the hysteria, oh the faux outrage. How is it any different to what is happening right here in Europe?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/french-burkini-ban-row-escalates-clothing-incident-woman-police-nice-beach

When the state tells you what you can and cannot wear, there is something fundamentally wrong with it (and society by extension), it is overreaching its mandate. But no, it's the durty muslims and their buddy Trump...

Shurimgreat

Shurimgreat wrote: »

They make stone age men look enlightened.

Perhaps - but we live in a society ourselves with a few people who worry about what public toilet people use - what changing room a child brings their parents into at the pool - get uppity and offended if a woman breast feeds in public - and the occasional Jack or Jane Soap who demands restaurant staff and owners rush to their aid if they are forced to observe two men merely holding hands at a near by table.

And there is something terribly ominous about French police going around beaches telling women to take clothes off.

So it is hard to get myself too triggered over the insane nonsense of another country really. Best clean up our own house before dust checking anyone else's sideboards.

We are not exactly shining lights of universal enlightenment ourselves at times.

Shurimgreat

Tabnabs wrote: »

Oh the hysteria, oh the faux outrage. How is it any different to what is happening right here in Europe?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/french-burkini-ban-row-escalates-clothing-incident-woman-police-nice-beach

When the state tells you what you can and cannot wear, there is something fundamentally wrong with it (and society by extension), it is overreaching its mandate. But no, it's the durty muslims and their buddy Trump...

The difference is the woman on the beach was unlikely to be arrested, just asked to move on and was also unlikely to face lashes. She was also allowed to drive home if she chose and she is also allowed sunbathe on a beach without the presence of a male relative. Her attire was not in keeping with liberal values or the 21st century for that matter.

Roger Hassenforder

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Perhaps - but we live in a society ourselves with a few people who worry about what public toilet people use - what changing room a child brings their parents into at the pool - get uppity and offended if a woman breast feeds in public - and the occasional Jack or Jane Soap who demands restaurant staff and owners rush to their aid if they are forced to observe two men merely holding hands at a near by table.

We are not exactly shining lights of universal enlightenment ourselves at times.

Ah heor. None of these are state policies that would land you in prison or a whole lot worse. I hate dogs in restaraunts, so does this mean I can't criticise intolerant and oppressive regimes?

We're a beacon of tolerance and enlightenment in comparison, the fourth country to have an openly gay prime minister suggests we've moved, and are moving on, considerably.

Shurimgreat

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps - but we live in a society ourselves with a few people who worry about what public toilet people use - what changing room a child brings their parents into at the pool - get uppity and offended if a woman breast feeds in public - and the occasional Jack or Jane Soap who demands restaurant staff and owners rush to their aid if they are forced to observe two men merely holding hands at a near by table.

And there is something terribly ominous about French police going around beaches telling women to take clothes off.

So it is hard to get myself too triggered over the insane nonsense of another country really. Best clean up our own house before dust checking anyone else's sideboards.

We are not exactly shining lights of universal enlightenment ourselves at times.

You cannot seriously compare Western Europe with Saudi Arabia. They aren't even close.

Here's some idea of the laughable restrictions imposed on Saudi women.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/60339/nine-things-women-cant-do-in-saudi-arabia

Hector Savage

Tabnabs wrote: »

Oh the hysteria, oh the faux outrage. How is it any different to what is happening right here in Europe?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/french-burkini-ban-row-escalates-clothing-incident-woman-police-nice-beach

When the state tells you what you can and cannot wear, there is something fundamentally wrong with it (and society by extension), it is overreaching its mandate. But no, it's the durty muslims and their buddy Trump...

Oh its the guardian .. what a surprise, trying to have the burka as something empowering to women :rolleyes:

Big difference here, you could say this is a security issue.

Tabnabs

Shurimgreat wrote: »

The difference is the woman on the beach was unlikely to be arrested, just asked to move on and was also unlikely to face lashes. She was also allowed to drive home if she chose and she is also allowed sunbathe on a beach without the presence of a male relative. Her attire was not in keeping with liberal values or the 21st century for that matter.

No she was fined for wearing "inappropriate" clothing. Fined. Who was the victim in this heinous crime exactly? I think you need to spend some time and effort in understanding liberalism if you think this is perfectly acceptable.