Dublin City Marathon 29 Oct 2017 - *** NOTE: no number transfer!

S.L.F.

Testosterscone wrote: »

There is no deferral/transfer in London your entry fee is forfeit its only your spot for the next year that is saved (due to ballot system around entry)

There is deferral and it works out around the same price as a single DCM ticket except you're entering into a marathon thats exceptionally difficult to get entry to without having to go through the process again.

Testosterscone

S.L.F. wrote: »

There is deferral and it works out around the same price as a single DCM ticket except you're entering into a marathon thats exceptionally difficult to get entry to without having to go through the process again.

That's not deferring your entry fee though that's paying again for same spot a year later. You can do the same in Dublin (seeing as entry is currently only open to 2017 participants for another 2 days)

If you are complaining about the price that is a different matter. The reason London can be much cheaper is because it receives substantially more sponsorship (not sure the figures of current deal but they previously got 17 million from Virgin for a 5 year deal between 2008 and 2013) as well as sponsorship due to being a World Marathon Major.

Lazare

Does anyone know the 4 hour pacers names and whether they were on Strava?

I'm looking to compare my race to then on flyby.

Pm if necessary.

S.L.F.

Testosterscone wrote: »

That's not deferring your entry fee though that's paying again for same spot a year later. You can do the same in Dublin (seeing as entry is currently only open to 2017 participants for another 2 days)

If you are complaining about the price that is a different matter. The reason London can be much cheaper is because it receives substantially more sponsorship (not sure the figures of current deal but they previously got 17 million from Virgin for a 5 year deal between 2008 and 2013) as well as sponsorship due to being a World Marathon Major.

I wish you would stop being so negative towards me, describing me as bitching and moaning and complaining.

This is a forum, if we cant say what air our views about these races here then what is the point in them.

As for the price well you're just twisting things to suit yourself.
Im not going to bother with you

Testosterscone

S.L.F. wrote: »

I wish you would stop being so negative towards me, describing me as bitching and moaning and complaining.

This is a forum, if we cant say what air our views about these races here then what is the point in them.

As for the price well you're just twisting things to suit yourself.
Im not going to bother with you

How exactly have I twisted it, was anything that I mentioned inaccurate?

This was not a direct attack on you. I explained logical reasons why London can do so cheaper. Every negative comment that has been made about the race I have done my best to explain the reasons for it. Apologies if you construed the use of the word complaining as negative towards you individually this was meant more in a general sense (my tone earlier however was a bit more harsh and I apologize for that)

Yes it is a forum and we all have our views, my views are if there are legitimate gripes with races that's all well and good but good races are being torn to shreds for silly things that can be easily explained. Just as you are entitled to take issue with races (or me) I am also entitled to defend races where I feel the criticisms aren't warranted.

RacoonQueen

Lazare wrote: »

Does anyone know the 4 hour pacers names and whether they were on Strava?

I'm looking to compare my race to then on flyby.

Pm if necessary.

I think the 4 hour pacers were Don Hannon and Olwyn and Joe Dunne. None of them are on strava as far as I know.

Lazare

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I think the 4 hour pacers were Don Hannon and Olwyn and Joe Dunne. None of them are on strava as far as I know.

Ah, not to worry, thanks though.

If you know them personally would you mind extending my thanks, they were fantastic.

They treated us as if we were their brothers and sisters they were getting over the line. A huge help to me on Merrion rd.

Hitman3000

Lazare wrote:

If you know them personally would you mind extending my thanks, they were fantastic.

I know all three personally and will pass on your thanks to them.

Krusty_Clown

Gary O’Hanlon is Irish National Marathon Champion 2017
Following a meeting of the Competition Committee of Athletics Ireland (tonight, 1 November 2017), Gary O’Hanlon was declared Irish National Marathon champion.
This follows the receipt of information from Raheny Shamrock AC, on 31 October that the declared winner of the race, Freddy Sittuk had failed to meet the required criteria for eligibility under the residency rule.
Sittuk was confirmed as eligible by his club prior to the event when, in fact, he had not met all the necessary criteria.
Under the rule agreed by the delegates at the 2016 Athletics Ireland Congress, an athlete with an unbroken 6 months residency in Ireland immediately prior to the Championship, is eligible to compete for the National Championships title and medal positions.
Commenting on the situation, Athletics Ireland’s Competition Committee Chairman John Cronin said “the information initially received by the Association indicated that Freddy Sittuk was eligible and therefore he was deemed champion on Sunday.”
“Once we received information from the club stating that the athlete had, in fact, not met the criteria, the Committee met to discuss the situation and Gary O’Hanlon has been deemed Marathon Champion”, he added.
“The process for confirming residency eligibility for National Championships has, up to this event, worked well but the fact that Gary was not awarded this title and his gold medal on Sunday is very regrettable”, Cronin said. “We do, however, look forward to presenting Gary with his Championship title and medal shortly,” he added.

And then Boards Athletics forum went into meltdown.

Murph_D

Hopefully this will get us away from the bitching and moaning. :rolleyes:

El Caballo

Murph_D wrote: »

Hopefully this will get us away from the bitching and moaning. :rolleyes:

How much was GOH's entry?;)

Podge83

Things were getting a bit tedious alright.

The Bin Man

El Caballo wrote: »

How much was GOH's entry?;)

Enough for a club vest;)

RacoonQueen

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

And then Boards Athletics forum went into meltdown.

What an absolute mess.

Brusna

Bib No.| Username | PB | Predicted Time | Actual Time
2803|echancrure|2:49:20|2:48:59|2:58:12|
9558|diego_b|3:43:41|3:39:30|3:54:53
|robinph|2:49:44|2:49:59|2:58:03
|ISOP|4:18:55|4:15:00|
3868|hot buttered scones|3:21:45|3:09:59|
4514|davedanon|3:14:18|3:09:59|DNF
6501|Lazare|n/a|3:58:xx|3:58:08|
3241|Johnny_Fontane|3:36:18|3:24:59|
1678|withcheeseplease|2:59:58|2:59:57|2:58:35
12429|Damo 2k9|n/a|3:59:59|3:57:57
|DC.|2:56:02|2:44:00| 2:42:29 |
|Dexter50|4:14:19|4:10:00|
4591|Wubble Wubble|3:49:01|3:29:59|
7703|RedRunner|3:52:30|4:15:00|4:13:05
|apjb82|3:35:15|3:10:00|3:12:33
|CCR|2:59:52|3:29:59|
|Peckham|2:58:27|3:44:59|
|Krusty_Clown|2:30:01|2:34:59|2:38:09
|Derco|4:16:04|4:12:59|
|Spirogyra|3:59:02|3:39:59
10404|Unthought Known|4:16:44|3:44:59|3:41:41
3790|HibernianRunner|3:28:22|3:24:00|3:30:14
1558|Slow_Runner|3:42:26|3:33:xx|4:08:00
|Fiftyplus|3:29:45|3:29:44|
1371|Murph_D|3:28:28|3:19:59|3:22:11
|ThePiedPiper|2:49:00|3:19:59|
3364|TFBubendorfer|2:55:07|3:15:00|3:10:20
|jaggiebunnet|3:32:39|3:24:59|
|Jakey Rolling|3:27:15|3:29:59|4:01:53
|Eric the Eagle|3:26:25|3:19:59|3:18:21
|El Caballo|3:15:29|3:11:29|
2634|Trampas|3:18:41|3:20:01|3:26:20
4143|boykev|4:00:56|3:29:30|3:31:35
1942|MisterDrak|3:07:24|3:14:00|3:13:43
|ciarraiabu1977|2:57:45|2:57:40
1322|Singer|3:32:04|3:14:15|3:14:11
|Doeshedare|n/a|3:39:59|
2855|Martyboy48|3:18:00|3:30|
4122|Brusna|n/a|3:27:59|3:29:11
|Hawkwing|3:58:30|4:59:59|5:06:20
1805|JohnDozer|3:59:13|3:39:59|3:40:14
20545|Jack Bracken|N/A|5:30:00|5:38:12
3247 |Quickfeet |3:17:30 |3:15:00|3:18:21



What a brilliant race. For a first marathon I couldn't have asked for better. Massive thanks to the volunteers, supporters and runners that made this an absolutely unforgettable experience.

RuMan

RacoonQueen wrote: »

What an absolute mess.

Ur not wrong.

Probably most athletics coverage in the mainstream press here since the olympic marathon selection.

event

Did they throw Raheny under the bus with that statement? Seems like they are trying to absolve themselves of any blame

Chivito550

I hope Carrick-on-Shannon AC appeal now. Can’t have one rule for the marathon and another for the 100m. Jeremy Philips was as much of a resident here as I am in Japan! And I’m almost certain he had no passport at the time.

If Gary O’Hanlon gets upgraded, then Eanna Madden has to too.

What an absolute shambles of a situation created yet again by our governing body.

Podge83

Did raheny not check? Did AAI not ask for written evidence? Sounds like a chat and an "ah yeah, that'll do.... Surely paperwork was required... How can it change after the event. Will the vest thing come up? After all a vest technicality stripped Gerry Kieran of a title in the past (I know it was an advertising breach and at a time when club vests weren't required for the marathon champs).

It's fair to say it would be a sickener if it did. Am I reading the rules correctly - if so Sergiu has a case - but will he shout - hardly against his own clubman of course (edit)

RacoonQueen

Chivito550 wrote: »

I hope Carrick-on-Shannon AC appeal now. Can’t have one rule for the marathon and another for the 100m. Jeremy Philips was as much of a resident here as I am in Japan! And I’m almost certain he had no passport at the time.

If Gary O’Hanlon gets upgraded, then Eanna Madden has to too.

What an absolute shambles of a situation created yet again by our governing body.

Rules are different for different competitions though.
Residency rules are unclear also which is what happened here. Apparently, it used to be 6 months in the year, now it is the 6 months immediately leading up to the race.
Given that AI are so hard to get email responses from, this information should be easily available on say, their website...the sort of place people go to in 2017 to get information such as this.

Raheny Shamrocks I believe taking the blame but AI should be holding their hands up for their role in this. When rules change, they should be releasing public statements stating same. They may very well distribute rule changes to clubs but they should be making rule changes easily accessible by athletes (like online for example)

Embarrassing mess for all involved.

Murph_D

The rule book on AI website is out of date (2015 version, while the residency rule was adjusted in 2016.) Naturally. Really out of date now! It's also borderline illiterate in places, just to make interpretation even harder. For instance, what does this actually mean (nothing to do with Freddie/GOH):

"Team scores calculated on first 3 across line unless declared, finishing times, youngest age will apply to team category." (p30)

:rolleyes:

(For the record, I do know what it means, but it's hardly clear from the way it's written!)

RacoonQueen

It is an awful document. When you search for 'eligible' in the case of the national record holder also, it does not have any details on what makes an athlete 'eligible'.

 Title Holder
An athlete is a holder of, or eligible to hold, an Irish Passport, and is affiliated to an
Or
Ordinarily resides on the island of Ireland, is a member of an affiliated club on the island
of Ireland

The Bin Man

Given the way this is going, if they disqualify Gary for not wearing his club vest, what happens to the cash prize? Would Sergiu get the cash, then Scullion, and then Mansfield. And also, what about the National title for M40+? Would Gary's M40+record stand if they disqualify him from the National Champs?

jrkb

[QUOTE=Podge83;105144654. Will the vest thing come up? After all a vest technicality stripped Gerry Kieran of a title in the past (I know it was an advertising breach and at a time when club vests weren't required for the marathon champs).

It's fair to say it would be a sickener if it did. Am I reading the rules correctly - if so Sergiu has a case - but will he shout - hardly against his own clubman of course (edit)[/QUOTE]

I heard today that because its a mass participation event like the rock and roll half or great ireland run and not a stand alone championship race that the vest thing doesnt apply..not sure how valid that is tho.

dexter50

Bib No.| Username | PB | Predicted Time | Actual Time
2803|echancrure|2:49:20|2:48:59|2:58:12|
9558|diego_b|3:43:41|3:39:30|3:54:53
|robinph|2:49:44|2:49:59|2:58:03
|ISOP|4:18:55|4:15:00|
3868|hot buttered scones|3:21:45|3:09:59|
4514|davedanon|3:14:18|3:09:59|DNF
6501|Lazare|n/a|3:58:xx|3:58:08|
3241|Johnny_Fontane|3:36:18|3:24:59|
1678|withcheeseplease|2:59:58|2:59:57|2:58:35
12429|Damo 2k9|n/a|3:59:59|3:57:57
|DC.|2:56:02|2:44:00| 2:42:29 |
12245|Dexter50|4:14:19|4:10:00|4:11:11|
4591|Wubble Wubble|3:49:01|3:29:59|
7703|RedRunner|3:52:30|4:15:00|4:13:05
|apjb82|3:35:15|3:10:00|3:12:33
|CCR|2:59:52|3:29:59|
|Peckham|2:58:27|3:44:59|
|Krusty_Clown|2:30:01|2:34:59|2:38:09
|Derco|4:16:04|4:12:59|
|Spirogyra|3:59:02|3:39:59
10404|Unthought Known|4:16:44|3:44:59|3:41:41
3790|HibernianRunner|3:28:22|3:24:00|3:30:14
1558|Slow_Runner|3:42:26|3:33:xx|4:08:00
|Fiftyplus|3:29:45|3:29:44|
1371|Murph_D|3:28:28|3:19:59|3:22:11
|ThePiedPiper|2:49:00|3:19:59|
3364|TFBubendorfer|2:55:07|3:15:00|3:10:20
|jaggiebunnet|3:32:39|3:24:59|
|Jakey Rolling|3:27:15|3:29:59|4:01:53
|Eric the Eagle|3:26:25|3:19:59|3:18:21
|El Caballo|3:15:29|3:11:29|
2634|Trampas|3:18:41|3:20:01|3:26:20
4143|boykev|4:00:56|3:29:30|3:31:35
1942|MisterDrak|3:07:24|3:14:00|3:13:43
|ciarraiabu1977|2:57:45|2:57:40
1322|Singer|3:32:04|3:14:15|3:14:11
|Doeshedare|n/a|3:39:59|
2855|Martyboy48|3:18:00|3:30|
4122|Brusna|n/a|3:27:59|3:29:11
|Hawkwing|3:58:30|4:59:59|5:06:20
1805|JohnDozer|3:59:13|3:39:59|3:40:14
20545|Jack Bracken|N/A|5:30:00|5:38:12
3247 |Quickfeet |3:17:30 |3:15:00|3:18:21


Found the going tough, and the legs heavy throughout, struggled through the last 2 miles but thrilled to finish

PainIsTemporary

The Bin Man wrote: »

Given the way this is going, if they disqualify Gary for not wearing his club vest, what happens to the cash prize? Would Sergiu get the cash, then Scullion, and then Mansfield. And also, what about the National title for M40+? Would Gary's M40+record stand if they disqualify him from the National Champs?

Not the case in DCM, RnR1/2 or Great Ireland Run as National Championship race is incorporated into a mass participation race and is not a stand alone championship event.

RacoonQueen

PainIsTemporary wrote: »

Not the case in DCM, RnR1/2 or Great Ireland Run as National Championship race is incorporated into a mass participation race and is not a stand alone championship event.

That's no longer the rule. They now have to apply not to wear.

Podge83

On reflection and in all fairness Gary's run on Sunday was a super effort and fully deserving of the national title.

It certainly wasn't soft when you look at who was behind him. Congratulations to him.

AAI need to be clearer on their rules and should take this opportunity to clear any ambiguity regarding vests, residence, qualification for championships etc - there's just too many debates like this one.

RacoonQueen

Podge83 wrote: »

AAI need to be clearer on their rules and should take this opportunity to clear any ambiguity regarding vests, residence, qualification for championships etc - there's just too many debates like this one.

Exactly. Raheny seem to be happy to take the blame for this but from my (limited) knowledge of what has occurred and the unclear rules AI need to hold their hands up here.
We were emailed numerous lists of who was registered for National Champs. That list should be clear, at the most, a week beforehand. If you are not on the final list, you are not eligible, no matter what else comes into it. (Freddy was not on the final list published on the 26th).

Bernard Roe has made some comments on Lindie Naughton's Facebook which make me think it should be 50/50 blame. Though I don't know how 'available' the rules etc are to clubs. They certainly don't seem to be very easily accessilbe to athletes and they should be.

The Bin Man

RacoonQueen wrote: »

That's no longer the rule. They now have to apply not to wear.

If that's the case, which seems fair enough, then GOH needs to step up and say that he applied to wear his USA singlet (think it was a USA singlet?). (GOH was quick enough to talk about the injustice he suffered at the hands of Freddy 'the Kenyan' and Raheny.) The reason why he needs to clarify things is that his comments to the media and on social media have triggered disharmony and bigotry. Last night, on FB, GOH added fuel to the fire by suggesting Freddy and Raheny had acted with intentional dishonesty--from GOH Running: "More importantly, those that are honest." If GOH steps up and explains to the mob that he followed the rules ('applied to wear'), then he'd at least go some way to quelling the ructions. (I'd be surprised if a seasoned veteran like GOH flouted the rules, especially after citing them in his quest for athletic justice.) Then, we'll be able to celebrate one of the greatest performances of all time by an Irish distance runner.

EDIT: just read on another thread that GOH has now explained he received exemption to wear his vest; time to celebrate GOH's unbelievable performance...