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Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment
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Don't think theres anyone on that galway team who'd be easily out muscled.
Games should be played in Parnell though, but the county board will never listen
They need to play all their home games in championship group there. Anyway, they have been displaced on the under bill by the women now! Can't see too many going for a Dublin/Tyrone - Dublin/London double header next year
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They're playing every minute in the league too. The likes of Reddin and Paddy Small are making cameos off the bench but by and large our first teamers are playing the minutes. Its like that every year yet the chap above thinks population, money, all that ****e is winning the league. Its not. Its the same Dublin players keeping their discipline and fitness levels at a high level year round.
I've always felt Mayo miss a trick in the league. Its important on a psychological level they beat Dublin yet they choose to pass on the chance. Also, Dublin bed in one, maybe two, players each year by playing them surrounded by first teamers. Brian Howard this year. Niall Scully the last. David Byrne before him etc. I've never seen Mayo afford young players the same opportunity to grow in the league. Maybe thats a reason why Dublin have a big squad. We don't genetically modify them afterall.
BTW Gavin obviously didn't like losing the league last year....He's ****ing ruthless when it comes to winning
Just flicking through this thread, think it's my first read of it this year. Haven't been following the Mayo one as much lately either tbh. Haven't given up the ghost, just busy becoming a Jim Gavin in another code!
This post jumped out at me though, especially the part about us not giving new players a chance in full strength teams.
I completely agree, in principal. You will only really see how good a player is until they're surrounded by a team of good players. Some players play great when they're the big fish, conversely some won't shine when they don't have the quality around them. You really want to see if someone can fit into / improve an already strong team. That's the ideal and that's what Gavin has / has created.
Gavin has created that environment and done a great job but it would be a very difficult job if there wasn't the quantity of quality there putting pressure on current players. Dublin players have no option to take their foot of the gas, they'll be overtaken and quickly forgotten about if they do.
He doesn't genetically modify them but you also can't just magic up that serious competition for places within a squad. There just isn't that competition in Mayo and that's no real shame, what Dublin have is unique.
The reality is that the Mayo squad is made up of a large group of 30 somethings. They can't sustain a year round machine like Dublin. The travel is an excuse and a valid one at that. They aren't being pushed to the same extent.
Dublin aren't in that position (of having an aging squad) because they had the quality filtering through steadily over the years. Could we have done that more? Maybe, maybe we could have developed more players outside of the 06 and 16 winning U21 teams... but I don't think many have slipped through the net.
I actually think our squad last year was by far our strongest yet. I remember a time, not so long ago, when you would look at the starting 15 and think, christ 2 or 3 of them aren't up to standard at all... Last year we had 20 odd options that could do a job at the highest level, not in the areas we needed, but still, a good squad.
Rochford / Mayo have brought through a serious amount of the 2016 U21 team in fairness. He is being measured against a bit of a freak team / management at this moment in time. And please god, hopefully it is just a moment in time.
But I do think there's something there to focusing in one bedding in a small group each year. Surely we can do a better job on that. Waiting around for a successful U21 team to come around is a risky strategy.0 -
Just flicking through this thread, think it's my first read of it this year. Haven't been following the Mayo one as much lately either tbh. Haven't given up the ghost, just busy becoming a Jim Gavin in another code!
This post jumped out at me though, especially the part about us not giving new players a chance in full strength teams.
I completely agree, in principal. You will only really see how good a player is until they're surrounded by a team of good players. Some players play great when they're the big fish, conversely some won't shine when they don't have the quality around them. You really want to see if someone can fit into / improve an already strong team. That's the ideal and that's what Gavin has / has created.
Gavin has created that environment and done a great job but it would be a very difficult job if there wasn't the quantity of quality there putting pressure on current players. Dublin players have no option to take their foot of the gas, they'll be overtaken and quickly forgotten about if they do.
He doesn't genetically modify them but you also can't just magic up that serious competition for places within a squad. There just isn't that competition in Mayo and that's no real shame, what Dublin have is unique.
The reality is that the Mayo squad is made up of a large group of 30 somethings. They can't sustain a year round machine like Dublin. The travel is an excuse and a valid one at that. They aren't being pushed to the same extent.
Dublin aren't in that position (of having an aging squad) because they had the quality filtering through steadily over the years. Could we have done that more? Maybe, maybe we could have developed more players outside of the 06 and 16 winning U21 teams... but I don't think many have slipped through the net.
I actually think our squad last year was by far our strongest yet. I remember a time, not so long ago, when you would look at the starting 15 and think, christ 2 or 3 of them aren't up to standard at all... Last year we had 20 odd options that could do a job at the highest level, not in the areas we needed, but still, a good squad.
Rochford / Mayo have brought through a serious amount of the 2016 U21 team in fairness. He is being measured against a bit of a freak team / management at this moment in time. And please god, hopefully it is just a moment in time.
But I do think there's something there to focusing in one bedding in a small group each year. Surely we can do a better job on that. Waiting around for a successful U21 team to come around is a risky strategy.
Good post.
Its the way i think about sport. I remember reading something from Ronan O' Gara and he's adamant NZ win in the rugby not because their players are born better or coached better but because they don't have to deal with self doubt. They enter a winning team, with proven practices and they grow to be better players than they otherwise would be. Dublin drip feed lads with potential sure. Have they more potential than young Mayo or Kerry lads? I don't know if i'm honest but a part of me suspects no they're not. They just enter a culture that allows them, indeed expects them, to flourish. Mayo testing their younger players in games they lose and sometimes lose heavily might be completely counter productive. Rochford more than his predecessors seems to think everything before August is not worth fighting for and its completely opposed to Gavins approach.
Obviously its not straight like for like and no one can deny Mayo might face hurdles that Dublin don't have to face. Still, like i said i've always felt Mayo miss a trick in the league. You have create a bit of doubt for Dublin and self belief for yourself. Just doesn't seem important to Mayo.0 -
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They're playing every minute in the league too. The likes of Reddin and Paddy Small are making cameos off the bench but by and large our first teamers are playing the minutes. Its like that every year yet the chap above thinks population, money, all that ****e is winning the league. Its not. Its the same Dublin players keeping their discipline and fitness levels at a high level year round.
I've always felt Mayo miss a trick in the league. Its important on a psychological level they beat Dublin yet they choose to pass on the chance. Also, Dublin bed in one, maybe two, players each year by playing them surrounded by first teamers. Brian Howard this year. Niall Scully the last. David Byrne before him etc. I've never seen Mayo afford young players the same opportunity to grow in the league. Maybe thats a reason why Dublin have a big squad. We don't genetically modify them afterall.
BTW Gavin obviously didn't like losing the league last year. After a late trip to South Africa i was expecting a muddling campaign again this year. No chance. I don't think we've ever been fitter outside of the championship. Thats what i like about Gavin. He's ****ing ruthless when it comes to winning.:)Just flicking through this thread, think it's my first read of it this year. Haven't been following the Mayo one as much lately either tbh. Haven't given up the ghost, just busy becoming a Jim Gavin in another code!
This post jumped out at me though, especially the part about us not giving new players a chance in full strength teams.
I completely agree, in principal. You will only really see how good a player is until they're surrounded by a team of good players. Some players play great when they're the big fish, conversely some won't shine when they don't have the quality around them. You really want to see if someone can fit into / improve an already strong team. That's the ideal and that's what Gavin has / has created.
Gavin has created that environment and done a great job but it would be a very difficult job if there wasn't the quantity of quality there putting pressure on current players. Dublin players have no option to take their foot of the gas, they'll be overtaken and quickly forgotten about if they do.
He doesn't genetically modify them but you also can't just magic up that serious competition for places within a squad. There just isn't that competition in Mayo and that's no real shame, what Dublin have is unique.
The reality is that the Mayo squad is made up of a large group of 30 somethings. They can't sustain a year round machine like Dublin. The travel is an excuse and a valid one at that. They aren't being pushed to the same extent.
Dublin aren't in that position (of having an aging squad) because they had the quality filtering through steadily over the years. Could we have done that more? Maybe, maybe we could have developed more players outside of the 06 and 16 winning U21 teams... but I don't think many have slipped through the net.
I actually think our squad last year was by far our strongest yet. I remember a time, not so long ago, when you would look at the starting 15 and think, christ 2 or 3 of them aren't up to standard at all... Last year we had 20 odd options that could do a job at the highest level, not in the areas we needed, but still, a good squad.
Rochford / Mayo have brought through a serious amount of the 2016 U21 team in fairness. He is being measured against a bit of a freak team / management at this moment in time. And please god, hopefully it is just a moment in time.
But I do think there's something there to focusing in one bedding in a small group each year. Surely we can do a better job on that. Waiting around for a successful U21 team to come around is a risky strategy.
As an aside, I actually thought that Mayo would try and push for the League this year (and if they're the reason I don't win the pools * shakes fist *) to build on last year's championship as has been said above, winning begets winning.0
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