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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - ** MOD NOTE POST #4781 **

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    #212
    thomond2006
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    Do we expect a weaker selection against the US? IMO it's the perfect opportunity to blood some of the uncapped players.


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    #213
    Buer
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    Given Japan will be a tougher game than the USA, I'd say we might see a little bit of experimentation in that opening game.

    I can see a few of those uncapped lads being on the bench and another one or two being on the pitch.

    Strong team for opening Japan game and a blend for second.


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    #214
    thomond2006
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    Buer wrote: »
    Given Japan will be a tougher game than the USA, I'd say we might see a little bit of experimentation in that opening game.

    I can see a few of those uncapped lads being on the bench and another one or two being on the pitch.

    Strong team for opening Japan game and a blend for second.

    The only issue I see is that anyone on standby for the Lions will have to start against the USA.


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    #215
    molloyjh
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    One of the fellas at work has said that its Molony or Dillane if hes passed fit.

    That makes the most sense to me all right. Dillane appears to be in the drivers seat, but Molony has been going well. Could do with a big performance off the bench now on Friday.


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    #216
    Winters
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    That makes the most sense to me all right. Dillane appears to be in the drivers seat, but Molony has been going well. Could do with a big performance off the bench now on Friday.

    The Ryan over Molony call is still curious.


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    #217
    crisco10
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    Winters wrote: »
    The Ryan over Molony call is still curious.

    Didnt see the press conference (if there as one?) but was there any talk that Ryan was going as an "apprentice" similar to the All Blacks model on the November tours?


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    #218
    bilston
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Do we expect a weaker selection against the US? IMO it's the perfect opportunity to blood some of the uncapped players.

    Depends. Japan will be tough, to be honest I wouldn't be that shocked if we shipped a loss in one of the tests. I don't think we will but it is certainly possible. I can't however see us losing to the US in any circumstances. Therefore you could put a weaker selection out against them, alternatively Joe may want to work on combos against them given a lot of these players won't have played together before.

    IMO I think this is almost like a 3 or 4 week training camp with some games thrown in for good measure, the real benefit of this tour is the time the likes of Porter, Ryan, Treadwell, R.Scannell, O'Loughlin and Stockdale etc spend in camp.


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    #219
    bilston
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    crisco10 wrote: »
    Winters wrote: »
    The Ryan over Molony call is still curious.

    Didnt see the press conference (if there as one?) but was there any talk that Ryan was going as an "apprentice" similar to the All Blacks model on the November tours?

    At the moment he is one of three second rows. It looks like Dillane or Molony will be added next week but even still Ryan will almost certainly see some gametime.


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    #220
    irishbucsfan
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    bilston wrote: »
    IMO I think this is almost like a 3 or 4 week training camp with some games thrown in for good measure, the real benefit of this tour is the time the likes of Porter, Ryan, Treadwell, R.Scannell, O'Loughlin and Stockdale etc spend in camp.

    I think you're right.

    Another big benefit I think will be the change of pace getting in the three new coaches. It's ROG against USA so I'd doubt he'd be letting them go too easy that week!


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    #221
    molloyjh
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    Winters wrote: »
    The Ryan over Molony call is still curious.

    Yeah I agree. They obviously have very high expectations for Ryan. It sounds like Molony isn't far off either and I think if he can push on that bit more next season he'll get other opportunities. He only just turned 23 the other day so he's still a baby in lock terms.


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    #222
    irishman86
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    I always said that all it takes is a few good games for Leinster to be picked by Uncle Joe, but I will hold up my hands and admit Im wrong.
    Turns out you dont even need to get on the pitch :pac::pac:
    I kid, i kid


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    #223
    d-gal
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    Great squad. From a Connacht point of view delighted for Heffernan.
    Bit disappointed for Buckley and also SOB2 who's had a savage season. Thought Quin Roux may have snuck in since the absence of Ryan and Henderson. Dillane will surely be called if fit.

    Byrne and Sweetnam very hard done by but huge quality in the back 3 now coming thru.
    Delighted to see a lot of the older guard dropped who are just not needed anymore


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    #224
    aloooof
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    Bit off topic here, but when does Tom McCartney qualify? I presume he'd be way down the pecking order now?


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    #225
    jacothelad
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    Winters wrote: »
    Well Ulster will have an Irish International scrum half now..
    They already have one.
    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Fofana is small, but thankfully for Leinster his biceps aren't
    ...and also 'Faaar awaaay'.


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    #226
    johnnyryan89
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    aloooof wrote: »
    Bit off topic here, but when does Tom McCartney qualify? I presume he'd be way down the pecking order now?

    October, he'll be 32 by the time he's qualified so doubt he'll get capped for Ireland unless there's an injury crisis among the hookers.


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    #227
    aloooof
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    johnnyryan89 wrote: »
    October, he'll be 32 by the time he's qualified so doubt he'll get capped for Ireland unless there's an injury crisis among the hookers.

    Ya, that's what I was thinking. At the end of last season, it looked like he might get a cap in this upcoming November window but with the emergence of Scannell now as well, it seems far less likely.


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    #228
    johnnyryan89
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    aloooof wrote: »
    Ya, that's what I was thinking. At the end of last season, it looked like he might get a cap in this upcoming November window but with the emergence of Scannell now as well, it seems far less likely.

    Yeah if he was qualified last summer could have seen him picking up caps this season but the emergence of Scannell and Cronins impact off the bench have them as 2nd and 3rd choice depending whose on form at the time.


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    #229
    sydthebeat
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    Just realised this is probably the first Irish squad of the professional era without a munster second row.


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    #230
    Former Former
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Just realised this is probably the first Irish squad of the professional era without a munster second row.

    Yerrah they'll claim Dillane. I'm sure Billy Keane already has something put together.


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    #231
    irishbucsfan
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    Former Former wrote: »
    Yerrah they'll claim Dillane. I'm sure Billy Keane already has something put together.

    The examiner have it in the vault, like the BBC with the queen's obit


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    #232
    irishman86
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    the only consistent myth attributed to Schmidt is that hes a conservative selector who only picks experience, when in fact hes given the highest number of new caps to players pro rata per game.

    More often they have been forced by injury rater than form though


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    #233
    johnnyryan89
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Just realised this is probably the first Irish squad of the professional era without a munster second row.

    2013 tour to North America, O'Connell was away with the Lions and Ryan didn't travel on tour with Ireland bringing Tuohy, Toner and McCarthy.


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    #234
    stephen_n
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    irishman86 wrote: »
    More often they have been forced by injury rater than form though

    **** that's an awful lot of injuries so, must be the most unfortunate coach in history for injuries.


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    #235
    sydthebeat
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    irishman86 wrote: »
    More often they have been forced by injury rater than form though

    'form' isnt and never will be the most important attribute of an injury replacement.

    'form' gets you into camp

    camp experience and performances gets you onto the team.


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    #236
    pickarooney
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Just realised this is probably the first Irish squad of the professional era without a munster second row.

    James Ryan has more caps for Munster than Leinster


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    #237
    sydthebeat
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    James Ryan has more caps for Munster than Leinster

    Brilliant! :D


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    #238
    bilston
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    James Ryan has more caps for Munster than Leinster

    Fact of the day!


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    #239
    Neil3030
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    James Ryan has more caps for Munster than Leinster

    So can we once and for all dismiss this idea that Joe prefers young lads from Leinster?


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    #240
    Erik Shin
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    So can we once and for all dismiss this idea that Joe prefers young lads from Leinster?

    You know..That ones too easy so I'm just going to put my phone down for a while :D


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    #241
    Former Former
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    So can we once and for all dismiss this idea that Joe prefers young lads from Leinster?

    It was only Munster Development. If he'd turned out for the Munster seniors, no way was he going on tour. This is Joe Schmidt we're talking about.


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