Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - ** MOD NOTE POST #4781 **

Podge_irl

I think on a dry day we would have beaten France handily, but I guess we'll never know.

For what it's worth Parisse thinks Ireland are a lot harder to defend against than England.

stephen_n

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Given the current tensions, do you not think that maybe Schmidt challenging reporters to find out more about the Irish team on their own while also continuously reducing their access to the camp might be a bit inflammatory?

Do you think that Joe discussing his tactics in press conference would make sense in any sane world? Do you think any coach in the world would go into the finer details in a press conferrnce? Maybe if it weren’t for wind up merchants like Cummiskey, access would be a bit more free. Instead with get this negative spin bordering on lying, why should the IRFU engage.

sydthebeat

Lads can we leave the schmidt media talk to the other dedicated thread please.

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errlloyd

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**** **** **** DAMN IT.

Professor Moriarty

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This may be a thing of nothing, a knock in training. But thinking of Sexton over the years, maybe a player can be too brave to the point where it catches up on him.

errlloyd

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

This may be a thing of nothing, a knock in training. But thinking of Sexton over the years, maybe a player can be too brave to the point where it catches up on him.

Treatment on his back? Seemingly innocuous? Before an Ireland game in the Aviva?

Could also mean he needs two back surgeries and will maybe be back in Spring 2019, who knows.

Professor Moriarty

errlloyd wrote: »

Treatment on his back? Seemingly innocuous? Before an Ireland game in the Aviva?

Could also mean he needs two back surgeries and will maybe be back in Spring 2019, who knows.

Indeed, it could be anything. Hence my use of the word 'may'.

Buer

I'd be concerned if he started the session and then withdrew for treatment. The fact that he joined in later makes me think it was largely a bit of maintenance on a 32 year old who has had a long 12 months.

awec

Captain's Run is mostly a ceremonial / token light runaround anyway is it not?

Kevski

I don’t think it’s a concern unless Keatley gets pulled from the Munster team..

D14Rugby

Kevski wrote: »

I don’t think it’s a concern unless Keatley gets pulled from the Munster team..

Well Byrne isn't in the Leinster squad :pac:

awec wrote: »

Captain's Run is mostly a ceremonial / token light runaround anyway is it not?

It's just a quick run through some moves and some kicking, it's more important for away games but at home it's just more tradition at this stage

Professor Moriarty

Buer wrote: »

I'd be concerned if he started the session and then withdrew for treatment. The fact that he joined in later makes me think it was largely a bit of maintenance on a 32 year old who has had a long 12 months.

Yes, reminds me of a 34 year old with two surgeries who's had a long 12 months also. Wishing them both well.

irishbucsfan

Rory says he's grand. No bother lads, go back to your regular duties.

Buer

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Buer wrote: »

I'd be concerned if he started the session and then withdrew for treatment. The fact that he joined in later makes me think it was largely a bit of maintenance on a 32 year old who has had a long 12 months.

Yes, reminds me of a 34 year old with two surgeries who's had a long 12 months also. Wishing them both well.

If Sexton had previously suffered a fracture in his spine it might remind me of that.

Former Former

Sexton is clearly not going to play and his presence at training is a cover for a late switch.

Ian Madigan was on that horrendous TV3 show last night, so he's in Dublin.

Coincidence?

chancer12

Have to work tomorrow, what time will Player have the match available?

Sanjuro

Former Former wrote: »

Sexton is clearly not going to play and his presence at training is a cover for a late switch.

Ian Madigan was on that horrendous TV3 show last night, so he's in Dublin.

Coincidence?

Wait... that's JOEincidence with a C. Madigan confirmed.

.ak

Leavy on James Ryan.

Leavy: “Weird lad, but great player. “
GC: “How so?”
Leavy: “He refers to himself as The Big Cheese. He’s just weird, like.”

:pac:

mangobob

.ak wrote: »

Leavy on James Ryan.

Leavy: “Weird lad, but great player. “
GC: “How so?”
Leavy: “He refers to himself as The Big Cheese. He’s just weird, like.”

:pac:

That's hilarious

Jack Kanoff

mangobob wrote: »

That's hilarious

? You're easily amused

Buer

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

mangobob wrote: »

That's hilarious

? You're easily amused

A fair comment.... Jack Kanoff!

The Rape of Lucretia

joseywhales wrote: »

I know its sarcasm but some of that strategy seemed to win a couple of world cups for SA and England

No sarcasm, if it is my post you are referring to.

There is a way to beat this Welsh team, and I think this is the way to do it. And no messing, I would guess that Joe is thinking along similar lines.

Quality coaches are realists not dreamers. However much people might like to see mutli pop pass offload sequences from marauding forwards, the jinking feet or lightening breaks through wafer thin gaps by the latest hottest hope 3/4s, coaches know what they are paid to do. Joe's record and playing pattern is pretty evident to us at this stage. And for tomorrows exam paper, we can take a pretty good estimate of how he will try to handle it. Wazza knows it too. But Joe seems to bet on more and more perfect execution of the same recipe to drive performance, rather than variety or change just for the sake of it. It is the syndrome BobbyK embodies to his core for example and why he is an automatic Joe pick.

The injury list further strengthens the need for this approach.

3 or 4 scores to 1 or 2 from the Welsh. Of course you take it if the opportunity presents, but tries a low percentage ploy. It is a strategy that is very demanding in defensive organisation. But that is the challenge.

mangobob

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

? You're easily amused

Its a gift :P

joseywhales

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

joseywhales wrote: »

I know its sarcasm but some of that strategy seemed to win a couple of world cups for SA and England

No sarcasm, if it is my post you are referring to.

There is a way to beat this Welsh team, and I think this is the way to do it. And no messing, I would guess that Joe is thinking along similar lines.

Quality coaches are realists not dreamers. However much people might like to see mutli pop pass offload sequences from marauding forwards, the jinking feet or lightening breaks through wafer thin gaps by the latest hottest hope 3/4s, coaches know what they are paid to do. Joe's record and playing pattern is pretty evident to us at this stage. And for tomorrows exam paper, we can take a pretty good estimate of how he will try to handle it. Wazza knows it too. But Joe seems to bet on more and more perfect execution of the same recipe to drive performance, rather than variety or change just for the sake of it. It is the syndrome BobbyK embodies to his core for example and why he is an automatic Joe pick.

The injury list further strengthens the need for this approach.

3 or 4 scores to 1 or 2 from the Welsh. Of course you take it if the opportunity presents, but tries a low percentage ploy. It is a strategy that is very demanding in defensive organisation. But that is the challenge.

I honestly see our lineout and maul as the weapon of attack against wales, I think we might kill them with that and sexton/murray/aki. Its 101 cup rugby

joseywhales

joseywhales wrote: »

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

joseywhales wrote: »

I know its sarcasm but some of that strategy seemed to win a couple of world cups for SA and England

No sarcasm, if it is my post you are referring to.

There is a way to beat this Welsh team, and I think this is the way to do it. And no messing, I would guess that Joe is thinking along similar lines.

Quality coaches are realists not dreamers. However much people might like to see mutli pop pass offload sequences from marauding forwards, the jinking feet or lightening breaks through wafer thin gaps by the latest hottest hope 3/4s, coaches know what they are paid to do. Joe's record and playing pattern is pretty evident to us at this stage. And for tomorrows exam paper, we can take a pretty good estimate of how he will try to handle it. Wazza knows it too. But Joe seems to bet on more and more perfect execution of the same recipe to drive performance, rather than variety or change just for the sake of it. It is the syndrome BobbyK embodies to his core for example and why he is an automatic Joe pick.

The injury list further strengthens the need for this approach.

3 or 4 scores to 1 or 2 from the Welsh. Of course you take it if the opportunity presents, but tries a low percentage ploy. It is a strategy that is very demanding in defensive organisation. But that is the challenge.

I honestly see our lineout and maul as the weapon of attack against wales, I think we might kill them with that and sexton/murray/aki. Its 101 cup rugby

And just to confirm I don't see playing those tactics as some admission of inferiority, I just think we can very much dominate wales with possession, territory and set piece. Jesus christ, toner,james ryan and O'Mahoney are going to play in the same team, I'm praying for lineouts.

The Rape of Lucretia

joseywhales wrote: »

And just to confirm I don't see playing those tactics as some admission of inferiority, I just think we can very much dominate wales with possession, territory and set piece. Jesus christ, toner,james ryan and O'Mahoney are going to play in the same team, I'm praying for lineouts.

Jesus christ particularly. Really gets high up there.

joseywhales

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

joseywhales wrote: »

And just to confirm I don't see playing those tactics as some admission of inferiority, I just think we can very much dominate wales with possession, territory and set piece. Jesus christ, toner,james ryan and O'Mahoney are going to play in the same team, I'm praying for lineouts.

Jesus christ particularly. Really gets high up there.

Josanna in the HiAce

Dave_The_Sheep

joseywhales wrote: »

And just to confirm I don't see playing those tactics as some admission of inferiority, I just think we can very much dominate wales with possession, territory and set piece. Jesus christ, toner,james ryan and O'Mahoney are going to play in the same team, I'm praying for lineouts.

Indeed, what wins the game, wins the game (inside the rules, obviously). There's no shame in employing tactics to beat a particular opponent. Tomorrow for example, we'll probably be closer to Warrenball, such as it is, than Wales will be. Is that an indicment of Ireland? No, we do what needs to be done. Would it be the same if we played exactly the same game against everyone else, yes. Many criticise this Schmidt Ireland for lack of ambition, but truth is, Schmidt of all coaches is a horses for courses coach. He might choose the same players, but his time at Leinster and Ireland show he chooses a gameplan rather than a team, and trusts his team, whoever they are, to implement that gameplan.

irishbucsfan

No idea how the conversation has gone this way. People are smoking very bizarre stuff these days. If we are closer to Warrenball it will be a massive, massive improvement over our attacking performance in Paris, which was dire.

There's no shame in employing tactics which favour possession over expansiveness, when it works. It didn't.