Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Grizzly 45

While we were on the subject of the Brits defending Irish airspace... They mightn't be able to defend their own, let alone ours.

30 years post-cold war has degraded their defence capabilities as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNRUP-T01Ig

Feisar

My fav 223 round has hit €40/box of twenty 😔

BattleCorp1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782140#Comment_118782140

😬 😬 😬 Are they made from gold?

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782899#Comment_118782899

53 grain VMax Superformance, class round. But I'm afraid we'll have to part company.

17hmr1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118783322#Comment_118783322

27e here and free delivery over 50e or use "match" in discount coupon to get 5e off.

https://wildhunter.ie/collections/centre-fire-ammo/products/federal-hornady-223-rem-v-max

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118784535#Comment_118784535

A different animal but I'll give them a go, the Hornadys are gone mad money.

Mellor

This shooting case is in Tallaght has some very odd reporting of the case. The whole situation sounds very strange.

BattleCorp1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817957#Comment_118817957

Are you talking about the shooting involving the barrister?

Cass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818022#Comment_118818022

Sad day when we need to ask for claity on which shooting is being discussed.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818022#Comment_118818022

Barrister/Law professor at Trinity.

Ive only read a small bit. But reporting gave more questions than answers. Trial could be a long way off so may not get details for a while.

BattleCorp1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818337#Comment_118818337

It's before the courts so I can't really discuss much or Cass will take a hatchet to this discussion. 😁

I'm surprised he didn't apply for bail at the earliest opportunity. I'm also surprised that he wasn't granted bail. There's a guy accused of murder in February currently out on bail and sort of staying in a house two doors up from where my sister lives.

I thought that the comments I've highlighted in bold below are interesting.

But Ms Justice Deirdre Murphy ruled today that Mr Phelan posed a serious flight risk if admitted on bail.

She said this was due to matters, including the seriousness of the charge, the strength of the evidence, and the likely sentence.

Cass

Battlecorp - It's before the courts so I can't really discuss much or Cass will take a hatchet to this discussion. 😁

Correct and right sir. 😎.

Sub Judice applies here guys so thread lightly.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118820560#Comment_118820560

Absolutely, don't want people to post or say anything prejudicial. More so the "facts" they have been printed.

I don't think this clear exactly what was going on. Who was hunting. Why he had two firearms on him. What where the staff doing with him. Not asking for speculation, just confused by the details

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118820001#Comment_118820001

I think the no bail thing was mainly on the fact that he has an overseas passport, and few million in assets, also fleeing is easily available.

Plus unlike a case where the prosecution have to placing somebody at the scene, prove certain things happen, etc. A lot of that is not up for dispute here.

Grizzly 45

Watching a documentary on Des O Malley here on RTE.

States that AGS insisted, and he states himself that he personally carried a handgun and was under armed Garda protection as was his family for a time post the Arms trial and the NI situation kicking off in 1972. Just wondering did this have an influence on his decisions about the Temp custody Order 1972? Apart from the blatant hypocrisy of "one law for thee and one for me",being forced to do something you don't like can certainly affect your decisions on a topic.

Also, I wonder what training he got in firearms usage/safety and tactics?Or was it just a "Here you are minister...Sign here and off you go" situation?

Grizzly 45

I can see two things happening here with this law.

1] A possible massive "escape" of mink back into the wild and [2] further assaults now on field sports from the balaclava loon brigades,as one of their objectives is achived.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/fur-farming-to-end-in-ireland-as-ban-passes-final-stage/

tomtucker81

Sense would dictate that the existing animals on the fur farms are used for their intended purpose with no further breeding or buying to replace these animals rather than releasing Mink into the wild. Let the farms run their course as such.

They key word there...Sense.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118870405#Comment_118870405

I’d assume its up to the farm to cease operations by whatever date. And they’ll make the most of what they can. They’ve have no reason to release them other than maliciousness.

Grizzly 45

Or the animal lovers do a false flag raid to claim it was an irresponsible peed off farm owner that did it.Either way watch them ramp it up against field sports in the future.

Grizzly 45

Over reaction or justified?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ex-new-york-cop-threatens-to-sue-garda-after-gun-siezed-1.4853054

JP22

Justified in the sense that AGS should always check out all reports of possible illegal firearms BUT totally over the top and totally unprofessional in how they carried out the task.

Using a sledge hammer to crack a peanut comes to mind.

Mellor

Illegally in possession of a unlicensed firearm, even if deactivated. But I bet the lad telling stories down the pub didn’t mention that part.

You’d think it was more of a two Guards knock of the door scenario. So might be more to the story

Grizzly 45

ASFIK the owner or resident etc has to be present before a warranted search of a premises takes place.It doesn't sound like this guy was unknown in the community as an ex NYPD or where his routine would take him. So why the STASI tactics with full goon squad in tow?Utter overuse of force IMO.

As for unlicensed Deacts.Wonder how many of these keepsakes are still out there held by folks of his generation, that can easily be solved by a chat and a Supers letter to keep them?

Lesson. Never give out info or pics of your guns to anyone. Even people you know for years. Never know what or how that info might be used.

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118932405#Comment_118932405

Clear example of AGS wasting time and money for a non issue. Just a thought, but this should be mentioned in the upcoming firearms panel to show that AGS have no clue what they're doing and have their priorities skewed.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118935114#Comment_118935114

The death of the "local Garda" is part of the problem here IMHO. With no text book to advise, coming hot on the heels of that lady shot in Dublin and that lad off his tits in Donegal, extreme reactions are to be expected.

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118935114#Comment_118935114

I'm actually on the side of the Gardai here.

How could the Gardai know it was a deact and not a live firearm unless they actually went and investigated it? It was very much an issue until they checked it out and then discovered that it was deactivated. I'm also fine with armed Gardai checking it out. You can't really expect unarmed Gardai to investigate reports that someone has an illegal handgun.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118945173#Comment_118945173

The guy is 88,an ex NYPD, known in the community for years.

Hardly requires a SWAT team door kicker event.Esp as he wasn't at home at the time and his routine was well known. A pull over on the roadside on his way back home and friendly chat pointing out this problem of a suspected unlicensed firearm known to be in his possession by a local Garda would have clarified, sorted and removed the deadly danger of a Deacted lump of metal from the community.

Different story if it was a suspected safe house of the "RA" and there was a possibility of an AS meeting going on or the like. Realistic perception of the threat facing you is a great thing.🙂

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118945942#Comment_118945942

Known in the community but possibly not known to the Gardai. You say his routine was well known. How would the Gardai know his routine? There's no Garda station in his town of Swanlinbar for any of them to know his routine. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ex-new-york-cop-threatens-to-sue-garda-after-gun-siezed-1.4853054

I agree that it could have been handled differently but maybe the Gardai didn't know what they were dealing with and were playing it safe. You are viewing the incident with the benefit of hindsight. The Gardai wouldn't have known that it was deactivated.

I don't buy the whole "the Gardai saw it in a picture on Facebook" story to be honest. Someone more than likely reported him to the Gardai and who knows what they told the Gardai.

By the way, an 88 year old man can shoot you just as easily as a 20 year old so I don't really blame the Gardai for being extra careful. If one unarmed member of the Gardai went out to investigate it and got shot, we'd be giving out why didn't armed Gardai go to investigate someone with a suspected illegal handgun.

The Gardai called to his house with a search warrant, he wasn't there. They entered the house and conducted a search as per the search warrant. It's not like they busted down the door swat style at 5am and dragged him from the bed kicking and screaming.

We give out plenty here about the Gardai but what's the issue in this case? There were too many Gardai there? They had guns?

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118944696#Comment_118944696

I'm not exactly critical of AGS looking for illegal firearms, more power to them to do that, but my problem is where they search for illegal firearms. You have to prioritize who's actually going to use said firearms. Some 88 year old granddad isn't exactly a Hutch hitman, and AGS didn't initially know whether or not it was deactivated or not. Of course your man shouldn't have had the firearm, but come on now. What AGS should have been prioritizing was operations like operation Tara that actually take drugs and guns off the streets. Public reaction shouldn't have any impact on the actions of AGS.

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118945173#Comment_118945173

A phone call could have clarified that. I hope you're not expecting AGS to batter down the doors of all the collectors out there with a deactivated Mauser or dad's old deactivated shotgun. Also an 88 year old man isn't exactly a high risk person. Obviously I'm not condoning your man's actions, both possession of the gun or threatening to sue, but there are bigger issues than this.

If they are going to raid your man's house, I agree that armed Gardaí should go, no one wants a repeat of the Tony Golden tragedy.