Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

tudderone

Cass wrote: »

Speaking of.

Sandra Mahon, a state solicitor, has prosecuted many cases for the state on agricultural matters and most recently an Offaly puppy farm, is at the centre of a controversy because her Mother, Maureen, was found to be running a puppy farm too.

Article.

I hope these puppy farms are consigned to history, some of the pictures you see of the conditions are horrible. A cash cow for those who want handy money.

Mellor

BattleCorp wrote: »

You don't even need a bank account to be a Minister of Finance here in this country.

That’s politics. A popularity contest and basically marketing.

I was referring to something that happened out in the real world, in industry. I understand that rich kids will get to play project-lead with daddy’s money. It’s expected.
But don’t expect me to believe these graduates have a clue what they are doing.

Feisar

Mellor wrote: »

I was referring to being put “in charge” of major construction projects in NYC when he graduated with a degree in economics - a unrelated field with zero experience.

Surely that was a figurehead role!?!

tudderone

Mellor wrote: »

That’s politics. A popularity contest and basically marketing.

I was referring to something that happened out in the real world, in industry. I understand that rich kids will get to play project-lead with daddy’s money. It’s expected.
But don’t expect me to believe these graduates have a clue what they are doing.

Hmmm, don't know about that, for the past few elections its been a struggle to find the "Least worst" candidate. I still push myself out to vote though, seeing as people strived on our behalf to get us the thing in the first place.

Grizzly 45

Mellor wrote: »

That’s debt, not cost. And that’s a stagger amount of average debt.
The cost average is $35,000 per year. If $140k, average for a 4 year degree.

Quantitative as well. Depends on whether you are studying in-state or out of state, whether it is a public uni or private college living at home or in digs.

Harvard is 200k-300k

And if you happen to be in the about 50K worth of a student population of both universities of both grad and undergrads its out for the majority of American students those sums.



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t was published a few years ago. He got the deal as soon as Trump won in 2016.
I’m just highlighting the double standard. It’s very petty.

Title of it? Oh do you mean Triggered? The one where he signed the deal in MAY 2019?? Hardly "soon after" his dad became president. :P

I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Reads like half a sentence.
I was referring to being put “in charge” of major construction projects in NYC when he graduated with a degree in economics - an unrelated field with zero experience.

You do realise that there are plenty of people in all fields that just have irrelevant degrees to their fields of work?. The US is full of it in all fields and businesses.

But you make a good point too. He was handed a nice Vice President title when Trump was elected. Eric too. Nice if you can get it. Of course neither was actually CEO/CFO that was some other guy handed control.

Yeah, pretty much a day to day life thing that people pass their business onto their children whether wasters or total geniuses.Know it from personal family experience:rolleyes:... Point being?

Sexual pervert? That could just easily really refer to a Trump or Hunter Biden. Although it’s mainly snr that’s been dodging court for sex crimes. Maybe Jr is smarter

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Trouble one is a known sexual pervert and .junkie..The other has been accused by a mentally unstable woman, who somehow took only like 20 odd years to come forward with rape claims in Maccys... 100% believable

Secret meetings with the Russians, Don Jr...but that was adoption information wink wink.

Trying to bribe to Ukraine government officials. That was Trump.
The parallels are endless. It’s striking really

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And both after 3 years of Democratic sham investigations and bawling amounted to a nothing burger...
And whose dad being the Vice president was threatning one country to withhold billions of aid if they didn't shift out and crush an investigation into his son's dodgy dealings in Burisma ..nudge,nudge.https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

I know you intend it to be the latter. Another double standard, shocking

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Whatever...

Grizzly 45

More Water melon lunacy...stay in your homes forever because of climate change...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/05/why-greens-love-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR1C1i-68rfy5lprzucueReWSTN-vXpo7Td5fMr5xB_Km_KnxVjqElY6inM

Rows Grower

An interesting article, I wonder how long it will take for Donald and the believer's to face up to the truth or will they ever be able to deal with reality again?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/can-trumps-cult-of-followers-be-deprogrammed

Feisar

Republican, Democrat, Fianna Fáil, Fine Geal, Sinn Féin, all the same self serving narcissists.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

More Water melon lunacy...stay in your homes forever because of climate change...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/05/why-greens-love-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR1C1i-68rfy5lprzucueReWSTN-vXpo7Td5fMr5xB_Km_KnxVjqElY6inM

I give the melons and their daft and dafter notions, the two fingered salute. We have had nearly a year of this lockdown carry on and its about as much as i can stomach at this stage :mad:.

Anyone notice the anti-milk and anti-meat adverts on the public transport lately ? I wonder who is paying for that ?

The world economic lot want this rubbish in the video below. Its enthusiastically supported by well know twits, such as Prince Charles and Bonio from U2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBxWtKKQiA

Rows Grower

tudderone wrote: »

I give the melons and their daft and dafter notions, the two fingered salute. We have had nearly a year of this lockdown carry on and its about as much as i can stomach at this stage :mad:.

Anyone notice the anti-milk and anti-meat adverts on the public transport lately ? I wonder who is paying for that ?

The world economic lot want this rubbish in the video below. Its enthusiastically supported by well know twits, such as Prince Charles and Bonio from U2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBxWtKKQiA

Public transport, what's that?

Our Post Office is also a shop/pub/off licence job. About two years ago at the end of the summer a yank strayed into the bar area from one of the local hotels and looking for a change of buzz enquired "Excuse me guys, what time is the next bus to Killarney?"

"June" was the answer, and that was for the next bus to anywhere.

Grizzly 45

Rows Grower wrote: »

An interesting article, I wonder how long it will take for Donald and the believer's to face up to the truth or will they ever be able to deal with reality again?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/can-trumps-cult-of-followers-be-deprogrammed

And when you read "Vanity Fair" and a headline with;CAN TRUMP’S CULT OF FOLLOWERS BE DEPROGRAMMED?

You need not bother reading further to see the Democrat ideal of "Unity and healing" is still on their terms of "Submit to our ideals or we'll beat it out of you in a reeducation camp!". :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Maybe if people stopped calling the other side "Trumptards," Cultists, idiots" and deplatforming,and attacking people for wearing a HAT that they find "OFFENSIVE" or attacking their kids for wearing such,as well as maybe quit burning looting and murdering or destroying statues and buildings...We might be able to have a civil discourse...but I doubt Democrats or their supporters know what that is.

Grizzly 45

Anyone notice the anti-milk and anti-meat adverts on the public transport lately ? I wonder who is paying for that ?

You mean THIS shower? https://goveganworld.com/about-us/

CRO number 624605.
Registered Office: Chamberstown House, Slane, Co. Meath.
Gets you here

https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/Go-Vegan-World-Company-Limited-By-Guarantee-624605 Anyone got an account with solocheck.ie or a tenner?

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And when you read "Vanity Fair" and a headline with;CAN TRUMP’S CULT OF FOLLOWERS BE DEPROGRAMMED?

You need not bother reading further to see the Democrat ideal of "Unity and healing" is still on their terms of "Submit to our ideals or we'll beat it out of you in a reeducation camp!". :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Maybe if people stopped calling the other side "Trumptards," Cultists, idiots" and deplatforming,and attacking people for wearing a HAT that they find "OFFENSIVE" or attacking their kids for wearing such,as well as maybe quit burning looting and murdering or destroying statues and buildings...We might be able to have a civil discourse...but I doubt Democrats or their supporters know what that is.

From Orwells 1984.

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

Rows Grower

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And when you read "Vanity Fair" and a headline with;CAN TRUMP’S CULT OF FOLLOWERS BE DEPROGRAMMED?

You need not bother reading further to see the Democrat ideal of "Unity and healing" is still on their terms of "Submit to our ideals or we'll beat it out of you in a reeducation camp!". :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Maybe if people stopped calling the other side "Trumptards," Cultists, idiots" and deplatforming,and attacking people for wearing a HAT that they find "OFFENSIVE" or attacking their kids for wearing such,as well as maybe quit burning looting and murdering or destroying statues and buildings...We might be able to have a civil discourse...but I doubt Democrats or their supporters know what that is.

Surely you jest?

You, of all people on this thread are offended by other peoples comments?

You've got to be joking.

Munsterlad102

Rows Grower wrote: »

Surely you jest?

You, of all people on this thread are offended by other peoples comments?

You've got to be joking.

To be fair its not the comments that Grizz is addressing, it's the attitudes of a party to silence their opposition and the hypocrisy of that same group who preached reconciliation and unity but were quick to turn back on their word. These comments and plans should be concerning, whether or not you agree with Trump, as its a very slippery slope to tyranny when you turn a blind eye to censorship. First they came for the Trump supporters..... Ye all know how that ended, and isn't something we can afford.

tudderone

I remember Trump being best buds with the Clintons, like peas in a pod they were. Then all of a sudden, when he decided to run for pres, they decided he was a deplorable.

Mellor

Feisar wrote: »

Surely that was a figurehead role!?!

Absolutely. That was the point.

As I said, it's entirely expect that those born into that insane wealth will land on their feet. I just think it's bizarre for republican to critize

tudderone wrote: »

Hmmm, don't know about that, for the past few elections its been a struggle to find the "Least worst" candidate. I still push myself out to vote though, seeing as people strived on our behalf to get us the thing in the first place.

Sure. But "least unpopular" is still a bizarre popularity contest.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Quantitative as well. Depends on whether you are studying in-state or out of state, whether it is a public uni or private college living at home or in digs.

I quoted the average. 4 Times higher than the one claimed.
The above factors will affect an individual sits in relation to the average. THat's a given.

Title of it? Oh do you mean Triggered? The one where he signed the deal in MAY 2019?? Hardly "soon after" his dad became president. :P

He announced the book in May. It was published later that year.
Work on the book, as well as the deal would have started prior to that.

And the time is really irrelevant. You were complaining that Hunter is profiting from Biden's presidency. How is that any different from Don Jr's book, that you pretended you didn't know about? Rhetorical question I suppose.

You do realise that there are plenty of people in all fields that just have irrelevant degrees to their fields of work?. The US is full of it in all fields and businesses.

Yeah, pretty much a day to day life thing that people pass their business onto their children whether wasters or total geniuses.Know it from personal family experience:rolleyes:... Point being?

Trouble one is a known sexual pervert and .junkie..The other has been accused by a mentally unstable woman, who somehow took only like 20 odd years to come forward with rape claims in Maccys... 100% believable

Come on, there's not just one. He's had dozen of accusers going back to the 80s. Some settled out of court.
I highly doubt you'd extend Hunter or Biden benefit of doubt. Well, we know you don't.

And both after 3 years of Democratic sham investigations and bawling amounted to a nothing burger...
And whose dad being the Vice president was threatning one country to withhold billions of aid if they didn't shift out and crush an investigation into his son's dodgy dealings in Burisma ..nudge,nudge.https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

Trump Jr admits the secret meeting happened. There's no question of that.

Didn't Trump legally without hold aid from Ukraine.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/trump-administration-broke-law-in-withholding-ukraine-aid.html

You really making my point very well there.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And when you read "Vanity Fair" and a headline with;CAN TRUMP’S CULT OF FOLLOWERS BE DEPROGRAMMED?

Maybe if people stopped calling the other side "Trumptards," Cultists, idiots" and deplatforming,and attacking people for wearing a HAT that they find "OFFENSIVE" or attacking their kids for wearing such,as well as maybe quit burning looting and murdering or destroying statues and buildings...We might be able to have a civil discourse...but I doubt Democrats or their supporters know what that is.

This is ironic surely.

Rows Grower

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

To be fair its not the comments that Grizz is addressing, it's the attitudes of a party to silence their opposition and the hypocrisy of that same group who preached reconciliation and unity but were quick to turn back on their word. These comments and plans should be concerning, whether or not you agree with Trump, as its a very slippery slope to tyranny when you turn a blind eye to censorship. First they came for the Trump supporters..... Ye all know how that ended, and isn't something we can afford.

What?

Did you read the post I quoted?

Mellor

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

...as its a very slippery slope to tyranny when you turn a blind eye to censorship.

I've commented on the censorship issue a few times. My view is unchanged.
Nobody should be ok with blanket censorship, especially from a government or governing body. I also don't think it should be acceptable for an elected official, least of all the head of state, to blatantly lie to the public. The government should be held to a higher standard that individuals for obvious reasons.

It's possible to support personal free speech while also expecting elected officials are held to certain standards while representing public office.
Imagine the government mislead the people and lied all the time, North Korea style, and just played it off with "LOL, free speech guys". That's also a slippery slope to tyranny.

Munsterlad102

Rows Grower wrote: »

What?

Did you read the post I quoted?

I did but perhaps I made a poor choice of words. What I meant to say was that I'm fairly sure Grizz isn't complaining about they insults or comments, rather the hypocritical attitudes of the Democrats and their supporters. If you can't see this, then the question that should be asked is whether "you read the post" or not.

Munsterlad102

Mellor wrote: »

I've commented on the censorship issue a few times. My view is unchanged.
Nobody should be ok with blanket censorship, especially from a government or governing body. I also don't think it should be acceptable for an elected official, least of all the head of state, to blatantly lie to the public. The government should be held to a higher standard that individuals for obvious reasons.

I agree with you, however I don't believe there should be legal consequences for them for misleading or lying to the public. At the very most they could be expelled from public office. However I do believe that media outlets like RTÉ that get public funding should be impartial and should lose funding if they are proven to be consistently biased, if not then it's literal state sponsored propaganda.

It's possible to support personal free speech while also expecting elected officials are held to certain standards while representing public office.
Imagine the government mislead the people and lied all the time, North Korea style, and just played it off with "LOL, free speech guys". That's also a slippery slope to tyranny.

I suppose that's the other extreme but I don't think anyone is going to take a politician seriously that just pull that card when he's caught lying. But overall it's a very tricky situation to make a concrete decision on.

Rows Grower

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I did but perhaps I made a poor choice of words. What I meant to say was that I'm fairly sure Grizz isn't complaining about they insults or comments, rather the hypocritical attitudes of the Democrats and their supporters. If you can't see this, then the question that should be asked is whether "you read the post" or not.

I honestly have no idea how you have come to your conclusion or why you think that Grizzly can’t answer for himself but I think maybe you should read the article I linked.

Mellor

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I agree with you, however I don't believe there should be legal consequences for them for misleading or lying to the public.

I agree with that. Lying isn’t illegal (Excluding perjury or similar of course). But I don’t think being kicked off Twitter is a legal consequence.

At the very most they could be expelled from public office. However I do believe that media outlets like RTÉ that get public funding should be impartial and should lose funding if they are proven to be consistently biased, if not then it's literal state sponsored propaganda.

Agree completely. Outside of opinion pieces, public or semi-public media should be neutral.

I suppose that's the other extreme but I don't think anyone is going to take a politician seriously that just pull that card when he's caught lying. But overall it's a very tricky situation to make a concrete decision on.

If they said it like that, they’d be ridiculed by the other side.
Instead they complain when their lies are restricted and appeal to the supporters to and the connection for them.

Grizzly 45

Rows Grower wrote: »

Surely you jest?

You, of all people on this thread are offended by other peoples comments?

You've got to be joking.

Not at all...I was speaking of the general "unity and healing comments " addressed to some 70 million Americans that were aimed at by those who disapproved of their political choices.
Delightful healing and unity comments like Rep Evan Mc Mullen [D]

“We should keep and publish a list of everyone who assists Trump’s frivolous and dangerous attacks on the election. Name and shame forever.”
Echoed by Oscario Cortez "Smollett"[D}
Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future
8:16 PM · Nov 6, 2020


Or such healing words from the old Maxine Waters [D]
If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,”

Of course Nancy Pelosis "I just don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be" is no doubt very peaceful and healing too with reference to BLM

And lets not forget the VP Kamela Harris saying inrelation to burning down half of Washington DC last year by her mostly peaceful followers " The protesters should not let up.
Or ol baldy Ayanna Pressly calling for violence in the streets last year .

And lets nor forget Hillatys comments on "bitter clingers tp their guns and bibles" ,"deplorables" and the like


All very helpful to unify and heal with people you hate because they voted and have a different outlook on life in America.

alan0387

tudderone wrote: »

Hmmm, don't know about that, for the past few elections its been a struggle to find the "Least worst" candidate. I still push myself out to vote though, seeing as people strived on our behalf to get us the thing in the first place.

I'm with you 100% here, my local area there is 1 maybe 2 decent independents but unfortunately without a party backing they can do very little outside the immediate community. What alot of people forget is the struggle our forefathers fought in order to get us those rights.

Also forgotten is the fact that they are PUBLIC SERVANTS. somewhere in the last 30 years the shift from serving the public to serving themselves became blurred and forgotten. If we are not happy with them we should be able to say and remove them.

For me it was the bertie-era golden handshakes, selling off Irish gas fields/areas for personal gain that woke me up. Compared to Finland or Sweden where every citizen got a dividend from the sale of the natural fuel reserve.

They are not supposed to be a monarchy, or supposed to be a tyranny. They are supposed to serve the public. This has been forgotten by the masses which leads to handshakes and favours and choosing the 'least worst'.

To me, those that go out in arms defending the 2a in the USA, have the right idea in that they stand up to gov and say no that's not what we elected you for. Now the caveat is that they can portray a negative image with some of their actions but the end result is a strong recognition of their rights and that they are willing to come together and keep gov in check. However I don't condone the Capitol storming they did.

Grizzly 45

Mellor wrote: »

Absolutely. That was the point.

As I said, it's entirely expect that those born into that insane wealth will land on their feet. I just think it's bizarre for republican to critize

Considering how much critiques the Republicans also get when in office...Don and Eric enjoying hunting and guns,as to what kind of horrible deaths they should suffer??? Media describing Brandon Trump looking like the next school shooter,to be upbraided,in all fairness to her by Chelsea Clinton as being a below the belt punch....Sauce for the goose and all that...

Sure. But "least unpopular" is still a bizarre popularity contest.

Yet we play "the most popular but least competent" game over here ourselves.:eek: Just as bizarre.

I quoted the average. 4 Times higher than the one claimed.
The above factors will affect an individual sits in relation to the average. THat's a given.

Again a quantitative statement and undefinable.

H

e announced the book in May. It was published later that year.
Work on the book, as well as the deal would have started prior to that.

And the time is really irrelevant. You were complaining that Hunter is profiting from Biden's presidency. How is that any different from Don Jr's book, that you pretended you didn't know about? Rhetorical question I suppose.

Why? you set yourself on the public parapet, expect to draw fire for your actions. Just too bad Hunter has a worse record than Don,in every aspect of his life...but of course, if you have Stephen King raaa raaa ing your work of fiction, which most bios are anyway. Which one is going to get the most publicity or notoriety? Not like either of those two was sitting in front of a blank screen at 3 AM living off fags and coffee, or something illict in Hunter's case no doubt.Celebs "writing books" are a different league to working authors.


No I genuinely did not know about it,I had to go and look it up hence my comment on all things being censored Trump-related.

Also, if you say "soon after" that implies within weeks ,not months or a defineable time of a post-event.

Come on, there's not just one. He's had dozen of accusers going back to the 80s. Some settled out of court.
I highly doubt you'd extend Hunter or Biden benefit of doubt. Well, we know you don't.

No I don't think a self-confessed junkie and bagman deserve that benefit of the doubt because he writes a sympathy work of fiction.You might have a different opinion depending on your political outlook and morals?

Stormy Daniels... A rather expensive call girl,but then again true to her profession she got what she was due..Can you name all the rest of this "half dozen"?...I'll wait...

Trump Jr admits the secret meeting happened. There's no question of that.

Didn't Trump legally without hold aid from Ukraine.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/trump-administration-broke-law-in-withholding-ukraine-aid.html

A 404 page???

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And when you read "Vanity Fair" and a headline with;CAN TRUMP’S CULT OF FOLLOWERS BE DEPROGRAMMED?


This is ironic surely.

Wonder can the same irony be used for Trump derangement syndrome?

Rows Grower

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Not at all...I was speaking of the general "unity and healing comments " addressed to some 70 million Americans that were aimed at by those who disapproved of their political choices.
Delightful healing and unity comments like Rep Evan Mc Mullen [D]

“We should keep and publish a list of everyone who assists Trump’s frivolous and dangerous attacks on the election. Name and shame forever.”
Echoed by Oscario Cortez "Smollett"[D}
Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future
8:16 PM · Nov 6, 2020


Or such healing words from the old Maxine Waters [D]
If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,”

Of course Nancy Pelosis "I just don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be" is no doubt very peaceful and healing too with reference to BLM

And lets not forget the VP Kamela Harris saying inrelation to burning down half of Washington DC last year by her mostly peaceful followers " The protesters should not let up.
Or ol baldy Ayanna Pressly calling for violence in the streets last year .

And lets nor forget Hillatys comments on "bitter clingers tp their guns and bibles" ,"deplorables" and the like


All very helpful to unify and heal with people you hate because they voted and have a different outlook on life in America.

Ah yeah, when you put it like that it's really sad.

Grizzly 45

alan0387 wrote: »

I'.

We vote in the "most popular, but least competent" here.
And f we insist on voting in people because their great grandfather shot a couple of Tans down the backroad, or because he is a great GAA or another sportsman/woman /gender dubious, or he taught you in the local primary school and has never done another job in their lives,or comes from a long dynasty of politicians as they have in some parts ...Well, then we get the politicians we deserve.

Our political bog needs draining too, but we won't vote for anyone who would do this, and not that such a unicorn would exist in Irish political life.:rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

Rows Grower wrote: »

Ah yeah, when you put it like that it's really sad.

Truth tho.:)

Grizzly 45

More successful anti knife law at work in the UK.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/london-knife-crime-2-dead-19791351?fbclid=IwAR23BTnI7-ZHQexQsoUHm8SYqjyHyns5pb7hdr4O7M3n6ckrz637e22lEsw